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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2010, 06:22:36 PM »
Although I agree that em is better by a long ways,its hard to take someone criticzing jays lyrical content seriously when their favourite rapper is snoop dogg.
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2010, 06:24:42 PM »
I do think that Jay-Z has more classic material than Eminem though. And that Reasonable Doubt is better than any Eminem ablum.
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2010, 06:25:18 PM »
Discography: Jay
Subject matter: Jay
Freestyling: Em
Flow: Em
Versatility: Jay
Voice: Jay
Consistency: Jay

There's no debating that Em can outshine ANYBODY on their own shit, but Jay takes it because of his insane discography and superior subject matter.
If Em had been more consistent, released more quality, and didn't confuse "originality" with childish voices and childish toilet-jokes, he might be up there.

And this thread will be locked soon, (re: rules) so get your replies in while it's still open.

 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2010, 06:30:13 PM »
How is Jay's subject matter any better than Eminem's?
Cool breeze; I'm hopping out of new Beams
My outfit ran me a few G's but none of that will matter if you leave
I used to be an Adam with two Eves and shawtys automatically do me
Excuse me, all that happened before you doesn't matter
I'm a vision of the future climbing the success ladder
Recline, in the mean time, twenty three shine, diamond bling blind as I rewind
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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2010, 06:32:34 PM »
No intelligent hip hop head would argue this point.  
So why create the thread?
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2010, 06:36:01 PM »
How is Jay's subject matter any better than Eminem's?


Yeah I dont see that either.Eminem has made a lot more deep songs then Jay.Jay isnt even capable of getting deep,hes shallow and it comes out in his music.He raps about the same few subjects over and over ad nauseum.
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2010, 06:36:56 PM »
How is Jay's subject matter any better than Eminem's?


it used to be

Eminem I would say overall is better but he fell off way harder than Jay did lyrically, especially last year

Blueprint 3 > Relapse from a lyrical standpoint, but both albums were pretty ass and the production made both

I ride with Em over Jay any day though  8)

I can't agree with that. BP3 was very average lyrically. Imo Jay's bragging raps are more played out than Eminem's horror raps.

Jay kinda fell off after his "retirement", Eminem fell off on Encore.. now he's more focused than he was before his break. Jay's more mainstream he has ever been.

I agree with that last statement but as far as Relapse I can't say Em was focused on that at all, dude even admit it later on months after its release
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2010, 06:37:54 PM »
How is Jay's subject matter any better than Eminem's?


Yeah I dont see that either.Eminem has made a lot more deep songs then Jay.Jay isnt even capable of getting deep,hes shallow and it comes out in his music.He raps about the same few subjects over and over ad nauseum.


I think Jay dropped those deeper songs before his 1st retirement. Not as personal as Eminem but Reasonable Doubt & Blueprint both had deeper songs.


Like BloodMoney2010 said it used be better than Eminem's

@bloodmoney2010 well yeah, but i think he was more focused than he was when he dropped enocre. And now he definitely seems to be focused.. judging by Drop the World & Forever verses
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2010, 06:41:23 PM »
Jay didnt make deeper songs then stan,cleanin out my closet,lose yourself etc.
 

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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2010, 06:45:20 PM »
Jay didnt make deeper songs then stan,cleanin out my closet,lose yourself etc.

Jay-Z never made any "deep" tracks but he had a couple songs from his older albums that were on some real shit... "Regrets", "A Week Ago", "Some How, Some Way", etc.
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2010, 06:46:01 PM »
Jay has some deep work, but it's silly to compare their content because they both come from different backgrounds.

Eminem has his share of silly subject matter songs, but usually those songs are better than Jay's deep ones.

Kill You
Criminal
I Still Don't Give A Fuck

or any song on his earlier shit where he was basically talking about killing other people are lyrically & flow wise better than almost anyone.

people overlook Eminem's "Infinite" album, but that shit is fucking BOMB to me; personal classic.

so for me Em's got 3 classics, one above average album (TES), one average album (Relapse) & one shit album (Encore; with a few good songs).

Jay's got Reasonable Doubt & The Black Album & honestly, i mean, yeah, Eminem's last two CDs were major fall offs, but i personally feel Jay-Z has a lot weaker material than Eminem does.

maybe Jay doesn't rap about ridiculous things & have an accent, but just straight up "blah, weak" songs.

Em has the ridiculous accent & subject matter on Relapse, but at least his incredible flow & top notch production by Dre made up for it to make it an average album in my mind.
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2010, 06:53:04 PM »
Content wise: Encore > Relapse

Production: Relapse > Encore

Flow: Encore = Relapse
Cool breeze; I'm hopping out of new Beams
My outfit ran me a few G's but none of that will matter if you leave
I used to be an Adam with two Eves and shawtys automatically do me
Excuse me, all that happened before you doesn't matter
I'm a vision of the future climbing the success ladder
Recline, in the mean time, twenty three shine, diamond bling blind as I rewind
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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2010, 06:54:50 PM »
I'm not saying Jay doesn't have his share of deep, reflective music, I just don't see how he's any better than what Eminem spits about. 
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I used to be an Adam with two Eves and shawtys automatically do me
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Recline, in the mean time, twenty three shine, diamond bling blind as I rewind
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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2010, 06:56:52 PM »
Content wise: Encore > Relapse

Production: Relapse > Encore

Flow: Encore = Relapse

i would say the best songs on Encore are better than the best songs on Relapse; but up & down the tracklistings Relapse is more solid.

i guess we just disagree on the flow because i felt his flow on Relapse was untouchable; "Stay Wide Awake" was just mind blowing in terms of flow lol.
 

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Re: Eminem is BY FAR the better rapper then Jay Z
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2010, 06:57:19 PM »
Jays disccography is over rated.Hes got the big hits no doubt nobody can take that way from him.Theirs something to be said for someone who can have a concert and play an hour and a half of nothing but hit songs.But his albums arent that great I feel his discography really isnt that good.Blue print 2 and 3 were both 6 out of 10s at best.Kingdome come was average though I felt he was taking steps forward lyrical content wise,then took a huge step back with american gangster.Vol 1 2 and 3 were all average.Black album was great as was reasonable doubt.But the rest,meh.