"Atheists have no morals, just look at Stalin & Hitler"

[Shallow]

That makes no sense. You're comparing the number of people killed by anyone associating themselves as Christian or Muslim to that of two individual men. For arguments sake let's say that since Christ appeared and people started calling themselves Christian there have been 500 million killers in history who identified themselves as Christian. Throw in another 300 million killers who consider themselves Muslim and you have 800 million people who are killers. So I would think that 800 million killers would have killed more people than two killers; Hitler and Stalin.

It does make sense.
Religious people say only atheists have no morals and therefore do things like Stalin & Hitler when the Truth is Religious people are just as guilty of these actions.

And to the OP; who cares what people say. If they think killing would be any less with more religion, than they're just as stupid as people that think killing would be any less with no religion. It all balances itself out. Even in ass backward parts of India where they have honor killings. More atheists die every year of high cholesterol related heart attacks than brothers killing their sisters for shaming the family in the eyes of Vishnu, and because they only eat organic food over there, none of them die of high cholesterol related heart attacks. I don't like Paul McCartney, but he was right about one thing; Live and let die.

Did you just say all atheists are fat?

Maybe if they believed in a God to help guide them they wouldn't be so fat.

[Sikotic™]

Christians and Muslims have killed more people throughout history than Hitler or Stalin could of ever done.

That makes no sense. You're comparing the number of people killed by anyone associating themselves as Christian or Muslim to that of two individual men. For arguments sake let's say that since Christ appeared and people started calling themselves Christian there have been 500 million killers in history who identified themselves as Christian. Throw in another 300 million killers who consider themselves Muslim and you have 800 million people who are killers. So I would think that 800 million killers would have killed more people than two killers; Hitler and Stalin.

More people have been killed in the name of Christ and Allah than Hitler and Stalin have killed people int he name of their own causes. So yes, I agree with what you said.

Are you just assuming this IE I killed a guy, check his Religion and adding to your numbers??? Because in the end, a killer who happens to be a Christian versus a Killer doing it BECAUSE he is a Christian, and is doing it for Religion is different. The Death Toll in that respect isn't 800million, infact you're garnering it over a matter of years. Hitler and Stalin killed a ton not even a 1/3 of that time frame of passing by.

In the end though, Either way it shows how people can utilize mankinds fears for personal gain. Churchs control there Flock using God and the FEAR of Damnation, Hitler used Germanys rising issues and fears in a seemlier manner, Both promised good and utilized there tactics in the name of Hope (Religion saving you into a Heavenly Sanctuary), Hitler promising a better Germany.

Of course I'm not talking about people who murder and happen to be of a certain faith. I'm referring to people killing in the name of their faith or their god.

And how is time frame relevant? I was simply referring to the quote in the topic. It's not my opinion that Christians and Muslims have killed more than Hitler and Stalin: its fact. That's all I'm sayin', there's really no argument to it lol.

I agree with you on how easily people can be manipulated though.

Time frame is always relevant just to get a perspective. If Hitler or Stalin had a bigger reign then the death toll would be more. In the Grand Scheme though all that time with all the Relgious Crusades would always outline just what was it 8 years of rule (Can't Remember). It's like comparing a incident lasting 10 years (Hitler, Stalin), with other incidents that are in the time frame of 1000.

Okay, but the fact that the world would not tolerate the mass murders committed by Hitler, yet allowed the Crusades to devastate the world speaks volumes about the power of religion and how it can be used for total destruction instead of salvation.

[Shallow]

Christians and Muslims have killed more people throughout history than Hitler or Stalin could of ever done.

That makes no sense. You're comparing the number of people killed by anyone associating themselves as Christian or Muslim to that of two individual men. For arguments sake let's say that since Christ appeared and people started calling themselves Christian there have been 500 million killers in history who identified themselves as Christian. Throw in another 300 million killers who consider themselves Muslim and you have 800 million people who are killers. So I would think that 800 million killers would have killed more people than two killers; Hitler and Stalin.

More people have been killed in the name of Christ and Allah than Hitler and Stalin have killed people int he name of their own causes. So yes, I agree with what you said.

Are you just assuming this IE I killed a guy, check his Religion and adding to your numbers??? Because in the end, a killer who happens to be a Christian versus a Killer doing it BECAUSE he is a Christian, and is doing it for Religion is different. The Death Toll in that respect isn't 800million, infact you're garnering it over a matter of years. Hitler and Stalin killed a ton not even a 1/3 of that time frame of passing by.

In the end though, Either way it shows how people can utilize mankinds fears for personal gain. Churchs control there Flock using God and the FEAR of Damnation, Hitler used Germanys rising issues and fears in a seemlier manner, Both promised good and utilized there tactics in the name of Hope (Religion saving you into a Heavenly Sanctuary), Hitler promising a better Germany.

Of course I'm not talking about people who murder and happen to be of a certain faith. I'm referring to people killing in the name of their faith or their god.

And how is time frame relevant? I was simply referring to the quote in the topic. It's not my opinion that Christians and Muslims have killed more than Hitler and Stalin: its fact. That's all I'm sayin', there's really no argument to it lol.

I agree with you on how easily people can be manipulated though.

Time frame is always relevant just to get a perspective. If Hitler or Stalin had a bigger reign then the death toll would be more. In the Grand Scheme though all that time with all the Relgious Crusades would always outline just what was it 8 years of rule (Can't Remember). It's like comparing a incident lasting 10 years (Hitler, Stalin), with other incidents that are in the time frame of 1000.

Okay, but the fact that the world would not tolerate the mass murders committed by Hitler, yet allowed the Crusades to devastate the world speaks volumes about the power of religion and how it can be used for total destruction instead of salvation.

Wait a minute. I never read about any organized death camps during the crusades of innocent people being rounded up and killed for no reason. The crusades were a war between two religious factions, and the Muslims were killing Christians and taking over land just like the Christians were. Spain was taken over by Muslims. SPAIN! That'd be like people in concentration camps taking over Italy. It wasn't possible.

And what did the world do to oppose Hitler's evil idea of killing people? Nuke two Japanese islands and bomb the shit out of every country associated with Germany, then had over land to Stalin for helping them defeat Hitler. Give me a fucking break man.

You're just picking on religion because you don't like stuck up evangelicals with a superiority complex. That's how it comes across to me anyway.

[ikke]

Wait a minute. I never read about any organized death camps during the crusades of innocent people being rounded up and killed for no reason. The crusades were a war between two religious factions, and the Muslims were killing Christians and taking over land just like the Christians were. Spain was taken over by Muslims. SPAIN! That'd be like people in concentration camps taking over Italy. It wasn't possible.

And what did the world do to oppose Hitler's evil idea of killing people? Nuke two Japanese islands and bomb the shit out of every country associated with Germany, then had over land to Stalin for helping them defeat Hitler. Give me a fucking break man.

You're just picking on religion because you don't like stuck up evangelicals with a superiority complex. That's how it comes across to me anyway.

I recommend you to revisit the old testament.
Jews wiped out entire cultures.

There weren't any organized death camps because they just killed everybody right away.
Spain wasn't taken over by Muslims, just a small part in the south.
That's like saying Cubans took over america because they took over in miami

That makes no sense. You're comparing the number of people killed by anyone associating themselves as Christian or Muslim to that of two individual men. For arguments sake let's say that since Christ appeared and people started calling themselves Christian there have been 500 million killers in history who identified themselves as Christian. Throw in another 300 million killers who consider themselves Muslim and you have 800 million people who are killers. So I would think that 800 million killers would have killed more people than two killers; Hitler and Stalin.

It does make sense.
Religious people say only atheists have no morals and therefore do things like Stalin & Hitler when the Truth is Religious people are just as guilty of these actions.

And to the OP; who cares what people say. If they think killing would be any less with more religion, than they're just as stupid as people that think killing would be any less with no religion. It all balances itself out. Even in ass backward parts of India where they have honor killings. More atheists die every year of high cholesterol related heart attacks than brothers killing their sisters for shaming the family in the eyes of Vishnu, and because they only eat organic food over there, none of them die of high cholesterol related heart attacks. I don't like Paul McCartney, but he was right about one thing; Live and let die.

Did you just say all atheists are fat?

Maybe if they believed in a God to help guide them they wouldn't be so fat.

Are you serious?
America is a pretty much a christian nation and it's easily the fattest country in the world.

[pootypooty]

Christians, Muslims, Stalin, Hitler and every Joe, Fred, Buck and Jim have killed, and they've killed a lot of people throughout history in the name of theism, atheism, satanism, greed and baby mama/daddy drama.

Case in point, it's all relative. Just know that a shit load of people have been killed since the dawn of man.

[Shallow]

Wait a minute. I never read about any organized death camps during the crusades of innocent people being rounded up and killed for no reason. The crusades were a war between two religious factions, and the Muslims were killing Christians and taking over land just like the Christians were. Spain was taken over by Muslims. SPAIN! That'd be like people in concentration camps taking over Italy. It wasn't possible.

And what did the world do to oppose Hitler's evil idea of killing people? Nuke two Japanese islands and bomb the shit out of every country associated with Germany, then had over land to Stalin for helping them defeat Hitler. Give me a fucking break man.

You're just picking on religion because you don't like stuck up evangelicals with a superiority complex. That's how it comes across to me anyway.

I recommend you to revisit the old testament.
Jews wiped out entire cultures.

There weren't any organized death camps because they just killed everybody right away.
Spain wasn't taken over by Muslims, just a small part in the south.
That's like saying Cubans took over america because they took over in miami

You're using the Old Testament as an example? You're an atheist!!!!!! The Old Testament is a joke of a lie to you.

And as for the Crusades; I'm not saying that Europe wasn't the big dog in the fight, but Muslims were killing Christians right back. It was a war. The Nazis were performing a police action.

That makes no sense. You're comparing the number of people killed by anyone associating themselves as Christian or Muslim to that of two individual men. For arguments sake let's say that since Christ appeared and people started calling themselves Christian there have been 500 million killers in history who identified themselves as Christian. Throw in another 300 million killers who consider themselves Muslim and you have 800 million people who are killers. So I would think that 800 million killers would have killed more people than two killers; Hitler and Stalin.

It does make sense.
Religious people say only atheists have no morals and therefore do things like Stalin & Hitler when the Truth is Religious people are just as guilty of these actions.

And to the OP; who cares what people say. If they think killing would be any less with more religion, than they're just as stupid as people that think killing would be any less with no religion. It all balances itself out. Even in ass backward parts of India where they have honor killings. More atheists die every year of high cholesterol related heart attacks than brothers killing their sisters for shaming the family in the eyes of Vishnu, and because they only eat organic food over there, none of them die of high cholesterol related heart attacks. I don't like Paul McCartney, but he was right about one thing; Live and let die.

Did you just say all atheists are fat?

Maybe if they believed in a God to help guide them they wouldn't be so fat.

Are you serious?
America is a pretty much a christian nation and it's easily the fattest country in the world.

You're very bright you know that, And incredibly good at picking up sarcasm. I commend you.

[Michael]

Spain wasn't taken over by Muslims, just a small part in the south.
That's like saying Cubans took over america because they took over in miami

it was held for a cupla hundred years, then gradually fell bit, by bit until Grenada was captured by the Spanish monarchs in 1492.

[C-BLUE]

Theres many reasons why people kill. Yeah many kill in the name of religion, but most of them don‘t kill for that reason alone. There‘s almost always something else and most of the time it‘s something personal and something very simple. Like for instance, revenge! But the thing is these people love to justify murder by doing it in the name of god or allah or whatever the fucc they believe in. To them god is the most sacred thing. To me the word god has no meaning and it's like you could almost replace that word with the word "right" because to them god represents that word. They believe god can‘t be wrong and by associating that with the deed they feel much better about the whole thing. As a devout atheist I find that shit ridiculous. It‘s almost laughable, but let‘s get this shit straight...religion don‘t kill anybody, just like porn can‘t make anyone do porn! Religion is here because people are stupid and if you‘re gonna take someone‘s life in the name of Allah then you‘re not only just stupid for believing in Allah, you‘re also retarded..YOU‘RE LIGHTS!!!

But let me add..without religion the world would most certainly be a better place, but religion isn't going anywhere when you got people who are willing to believe in things they can't see, hear, smell or measure and feel they don't need evidence to believe in them. They call it faith, but to me it's really a mental disorder. If I could, I'd pray for these people.

[ikke]

Small edit seeing how people thought I thought that only religious people did bad things.

And Bump for Streiht up menance

[Raphael]

Fuck this pro capitalism bullshit about Hitler and Stalin being more evil than the US,France and Great Britain at that time. As a matter of fact i can't eat dinner without a picture of these war heroes hanging on my kitchen wall no homo.

[.:DaYg0sTyLz:.]

Who gives a shit. Anyone who says that anyone else does NOT have morals...is a complete idiot. Everyone has morals. Just not always the same morals as you. Not to mention, morals change depending on your circumstances. Most sane people believe that killing is bad. But if someone threatened you or a loved one...you might feel completely justified in killing them to protect yourself or your loved one. Most people think stealing is wrong. But if you were starving...or your child was starving...and on the verge of death, with no other way to get food....you would steal it. Could be against your morals, but your instinct to survive outweighs your morals.

[C-BLUE]

Who gives a shit. Anyone who says that anyone else does NOT have morals...is a complete idiot. Everyone has morals. Just not always the same morals as you. Not to mention, morals change depending on your circumstances. Most sane people believe that killing is bad. But if someone threatened you or a loved one...you might feel completely justified in killing them to protect yourself or your loved one. Most people think stealing is wrong. But if you were starving...or your child was starving...and on the verge of death, with no other way to get food....you would steal it. Could be against your morals, but your instinct to survive outweighs your morals.

I guess the question is...what are morals? It's different for each person and it's very to common to hear people say that somebody ain't got no morals. It's a subjective matter but if morals are something that have to do with our personal judgment of what is right and wrong then I guess everyone does have morals. Even if you think everything is right...killing, child molestation, cannibalism, whatever. It's your morals.

[StrEiht Up Menace]

Small edit seeing how people thought I thought that only religious people did bad things.

And Bump for Streiht up menance

Who gives a shit. Anyone who says that anyone else does NOT have morals...is a complete idiot. Everyone has morals. Just not always the same morals as you. Not to mention, morals change depending on your circumstances. Most sane people believe that killing is bad. But if someone threatened you or a loved one...you might feel completely justified in killing them to protect yourself or your loved one. Most people think stealing is wrong. But if you were starving...or your child was starving...and on the verge of death, with no other way to get food....you would steal it. Could be against your morals, but your instinct to survive outweighs your morals.

I guess the question is...what are morals? It's different for each person and it's very to common to hear people say that somebody ain't got no morals. It's a subjective matter but if morals are something that have to do with our personal judgment of what is right and wrong then I guess everyone does have morals. Even if you think everything is right...killing, child molestation, cannibalism, whatever. It's your morals.

Society make morals, retards go against them. I dont giv a shit if it was a so called religious person, if they find a reason to kill someone then they cant really be called religious.
Hitler wasnt a christian,  he was a fuckin nazi and that was made pretty clear.

[ikke]

Hitler wasnt a christian,  he was a fuckin nazi and that was made pretty clear.

He created his own version of the bible, the same christian bible except all the parts about good jews was cut.
That's what the nazi's believed in, still christian...

[.:DaYg0sTyLz:.]

Small edit seeing how people thought I thought that only religious people did bad things.

And Bump for Streiht up menance

Who gives a shit. Anyone who says that anyone else does NOT have morals...is a complete idiot. Everyone has morals. Just not always the same morals as you. Not to mention, morals change depending on your circumstances. Most sane people believe that killing is bad. But if someone threatened you or a loved one...you might feel completely justified in killing them to protect yourself or your loved one. Most people think stealing is wrong. But if you were starving...or your child was starving...and on the verge of death, with no other way to get food....you would steal it. Could be against your morals, but your instinct to survive outweighs your morals.

I guess the question is...what are morals? It's different for each person and it's very to common to hear people say that somebody ain't got no morals. It's a subjective matter but if morals are something that have to do with our personal judgment of what is right and wrong then I guess everyone does have morals. Even if you think everything is right...killing, child molestation, cannibalism, whatever. It's your morals.

Society make morals, retards go against them. I dont giv a shit if it was a so called religious person, if they find a reason to kill someone then they cant really be called religious.
Hitler wasnt a christian,  he was a fuckin nazi and that was made pretty clear.

Its not that retards go against them. Sometimes people who want to make change go against them. C-Blue is right, everybody HAS morals. Just everybody dont have the SAME morals. At one point society believed it was perfectly acceptable to own...kill...and rape slaves. Society thought that. Someone had to question it in order for it to change. Those who questioned it...went against what society believed was perfectly moral.