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The More things change...the more they stay the same
« on: December 08, 2002, 04:00:58 PM »
in the 19th century Europeans were fixated with the idea of colonizing the heathen, Mohameden world and saving them with Christianity

Now, the same principles apply but this time its "democracy" thats the ideal being pushed upon these "savages" that need to be saved

the more things change, the more they stay the same
"One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. "Which road do I take?" she asked. "Where do you want to go?" was his response. "I don't know," Alice answered. "Then," said the cat, "it doesn't matter."

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Re:The More things change...the more they stay the same
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2002, 12:39:17 AM »
so are you trying to say the world would function better as comunists or by 'devine right rule' ?


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Re:The More things change...the more they stay the same
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2002, 02:27:23 AM »
so are you trying to say the world would function better as comunists or by 'devine right rule' ?

Actually communism isn't a government it's an economic system.  And when you say devine rule you probably mistake that for being religious facism but in places like Pakistan the Christian minority is respected and protected.

Now, I think democracy is a good system.  But understand that you can have a socialist or communist economy and still be a democracy.  

America's capatalist economy and republic government looks like a better system than it really is.  First we exploited the Indians to survive, then the African slaves, and now it's a global economy where we use our military and imperialistic powers to usurp other nations resources.

 

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Re:The More things change...the more they stay the same
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2002, 09:52:35 AM »
but in places like Pakistan the Christian minority is respected and protected.
WRONG

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/08/05/pakistan.school/index.html
Six people are dead and at least three wounded after several gunmen attacked a Christian school in a popular mountain resort in Pakistan

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/08/09/pakistan.attack/index.html
Four people have been killed in a grenade attack on a missionary hospital near Islamabad, the second assault on a Christian institution in Pakistan in less than a week.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/south/10/28/pak.christian.shooting/index.html
Condemning Sunday's massacre of 16 Christian worshippers, Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf blamed "trained terrorists" for the slaying and vowed justice would be served.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/09/29/pakistan.church.bomb/index.html
Authorities found an explosive device near a church in the central Pakistani town of Kohlo, according to a spokesman for the country's Interior Ministry.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/09/25/pakistan.attack/index.html
In the latest incident of anti-Christian violence in Pakistan, gunmen have killed seven workers at a Christian charity office in Karachi, binding the hands and mouths of some before shooting them at close range

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/03/17/pakistan.church.0900/index.html
At least five people have been killed and scores of others injured in a grenade attack Sunday on a church in the diplomatic quarter of the Pakistani capital, Islamabad.


 

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Re:The More things change...the more they stay the same
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2002, 09:54:45 AM »
And lets not forget this article that Overseer posted up:
PLIGHT OF WHITE MUSLIMS IN PAKISTAN

By Zahrah Nasir, Dawn Magazine Nov 25

When I converted to Islam back in 1983, never for a single moment did
I dream that I would face persecution by fellow Muslims. My crime is
that I have white skin. Nothing I do can change this stark fact of
life, although Islam is not, and never has been, a colour-coded
religion.

The Muslims of Bosnia, Turkey and Central Asia are the same colour as
myself, while not all Arabic or Persian-speaking people are exactly
brown. Chinese and Indonesian Muslims are another hue altogether and
many African Muslims are black.

Yet, here in Pakistan the general belief is that you can only be a
Muslim if you are one of the many shades of brown which abound here.

My white skin immediately labels me as a foreigner. However, I am not
a foreigner but a patriotic Pakistani and extremely proud of the green
passport which I obtained, by marriage, over ten years ago.

To cut a long story short, I converted to Islam whilst travelling with
the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, my conversion had nothing to do with my
husband whom I didn't meet until two years later. It is a decision
which I would never think of going back on. It was also my choice to
become a Pakistan national.

The first time I was made aware that white Muslims are viewed
differently than brown ones was when we went to get married at the
Sharia Court in Muscat in the Sultanate of Oman in 1985. The Grand
Mufti of Oman was present at the time and promptly demanded to know
where was the paper that said I was a Muslim. I asked him where was
his, as isn't everyone born a Muslim. He, needless to say, didn't have
such a document but still refused to marry us without converting me
again and issuing the necessary document. A Muslim twice over!
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Re:The More things change...the more they stay the same
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2002, 09:55:26 AM »
A few years later, in Karachi, I was literally stoned in the street
when leaving my office in Nursery, by some political party supporters
who thought they had spotted an 'infidel American'. I didn't stop to
argue but ran for my life.

There have been numerous other incidents over the years, none quite so
upsetting as when I attended a funeral here in Bhurban three years
ago. Despite being aware of my religion, some women demanded that I
stand up in front of all those present and recite the Kalma. "Why?" I
asked. "You can't be a Muslim. You are a foreigner." I left the
funeral in disgust.

Now, after chants of 'Death to Americans' in the streets and even in
Murree, foreigners have left the country in droves. And who can blame
them, with the people's mind-set being what it is.

I'm told to keep a low profile for my own safety - advised to stay at
home. Not to go even to the local bazaar as one never knows if
'outside agitators' are around and looking for an opportunity. There
are two points even to this. Yes, I fully appreciate the warning, but
does this also mean that local people would not spring to my defence?

Apparently not, since the dreadful events of Sept 11 and the ensuing
bombing of Afghanistan, our phone line has been cut twice, the
perpetrators stole 50ft of it the first time, and our water pipe has
been slashed in three places. I doubt if these things were done by
'outside agitators' and more likely by locals in a vindictive frame of
mind. Would it be the same if I was brown? Somehow I doubt it.

Due to the terrorist attacks on America and the war in Afghanistan, do
I, along with other members of my endangered species, deserve to be
persecuted into oblivion by the very brethren we have chosen to live
with?

As a patriotic, Pakistani Muslim and one who has participated in
Jihad, I view the future with more than a dash of apprehension.

To be a white Muslim here in the Islamic Republic of pakistan, is, for
the foreseeable future, a life of having to perpetually look over your
shoulder and tread very, very warily indeed.

 

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Re:The More things change...the more they stay the same
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2002, 11:45:22 AM »
Thanks EngelWood for showin the extent of tha hate in evil nations such as Pakistan..props for findin all those new articles...but LMAO at that white boy INfinite Sr. Who converted to Islam and got clowned haha...thats Infinite...he dont fit wit the white boys, dont fit in america(cuz he hates it) and wont fit in the muslim nations hes always praising lol...John Walker II??? Naa i dont think so pussy  ;)
 

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Re:The More things change...the more they stay the same
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2002, 03:15:03 PM »
Englewood pounced on one little small aspect of infinites argument and completely ignored his main message

lol
"One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. "Which road do I take?" she asked. "Where do you want to go?" was his response. "I don't know," Alice answered. "Then," said the cat, "it doesn't matter."

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Re:The More things change...the more they stay the same
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2002, 05:14:13 PM »
Props to Engel for countering the Islamic lies and propaganda with cold hard facts. Unfortunately, the treatment of religious minorities in Muslim nations is appalling. They could really learn a lot about love and tolerance from Christians.

The sad thing is, many Muslims,like Infinite are brainwashed and refuse to acknowledge Islam's horrible treatment of other religions. Could you imagine how they would react if Christians were routinely raiding mosques and gunning down everyone in sight?
 

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Re:The More things change...the more they stay the same
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2002, 08:28:39 PM »
so are you trying to say the world would function better as comunists or by 'devine right rule' ?

Actually communism isn't a government it's an economic system.  And when you say devine rule you probably mistake that for being religious facism but in places like Pakistan the Christian minority is respected and protected.

Now, I think democracy is a good system.  But understand that you can have a socialist or communist economy and still be a democracy.  

America's capatalist economy and republic government looks like a better system than it really is.  First we exploited the Indians to survive, then the African slaves, and now it's a global economy where we use our military and imperialistic powers to usurp other nations resources.




communism is part of government and the economy is a major part of a government, you just cancled out and put back in what i just said


think what you want about the US government but all i know is i think people function better when they have a choice of how much they want to make if you work/study hard you should reap the benefits of what that gets you not get what someone else who only tried half hard


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Re:The More things change...the more they stay the same
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2002, 02:28:36 AM »
so are you trying to say the world would function better as comunists or by 'devine right rule' ?

Actually communism isn't a government it's an economic system.  And when you say devine rule you probably mistake that for being religious facism but in places like Pakistan the Christian minority is respected and protected.

Now, I think democracy is a good system.  But understand that you can have a socialist or communist economy and still be a democracy.  

America's capatalist economy and republic government looks like a better system than it really is.  First we exploited the Indians to survive, then the African slaves, and now it's a global economy where we use our military and imperialistic powers to usurp other nations resources.




communism is part of government and the economy is a major part of a government, you just cancled out and put back in what i just said


think what you want about the US government but all i know is i think people function better when they have a choice of how much they want to make if you work/study hard you should reap the benefits of what that gets you not get what someone else who only tried half hard

Okay, well... as long as we don't exploit other countries and ethnic groups, and the top 1% doesn't have more money than the bottom 95%, then the American system isn't that bad.
 

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Re:The More things change...the more they stay the same
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2002, 11:48:23 AM »
Englewood pounced on one little small aspect of infinites argument and completely ignored his main message

lol

Yes. If you look at the rest of his post, what he said is correct.

Communisim is a economic system.
You can have a democracy and have a communist economic system (highly unlikely, but possible)
The third part of his post is what he belives... Im not going to say it's wrong even though I don't agree with it.
 

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Re:The More things change...the more they stay the same
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2002, 10:00:32 PM »
thats great engle

*pours engle a beer*
"One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. "Which road do I take?" she asked. "Where do you want to go?" was his response. "I don't know," Alice answered. "Then," said the cat, "it doesn't matter."

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Re:The More things change...the more they stay the same
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2002, 04:10:54 AM »
thats great engle

*pours engle a beer*

*joins Tech and his new friend Engle at the table.  Forbids them from drinking the devils poison.  An argument ensues, the friendship ends before it begins.*
 

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Re:The More things change...the more they stay the same
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2002, 12:56:36 PM »
*REMINDS INFINITE THAT TECH POURED BEER FOR ENGLE ONLY*

*POURS TEA FOR INFINITE AND HIMSELF*
*PULLS OUT A BLUNT*

^now...that doesnt get touched!
"One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. "Which road do I take?" she asked. "Where do you want to go?" was his response. "I don't know," Alice answered. "Then," said the cat, "it doesn't matter."

- Lewis Carroll