Say it aint so Floyd

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All the shit he kept talkin about drug testing...and how that was the reason him and Pacman wont fight. Manny agrees to the type of drug testing Floyd wants....and still....Floyd doesnt want the fight. He fucked up by using the whole drug testing issue as the reason for the holdup of the fight. Because all Manny had to do, was agree to the testing Floyd wanted...and now Floyd is left looking like a pussy. Ive been a Floyd supporter over the years. But I really think he is scared of this fight. At least that is how is making himself look. I think his biggish wish, is that somehow Pacquiao loses to someone else before they can fight. And Floyd can avoid the fight alltogether.


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No deal for Pacquiao-Mayweather boutEmail Print Comments803 By Dan Rafael
ESPN.com

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum's deadline of 3 a.m. ET came and went Saturday morning with no response from Floyd Mayweather Jr. or his representatives about whether he would accept the terms of a deal for a Nov. 13 fight with Manny Pacquiao.


So there is no deal, Arum said, and he will begin negotiating another fight for the pound-for-pound king.


The two candidates are other fighters Arum promotes, disgraced former welterweight titlist Antonio Margarito, who remains unlicensed in the United States because of the scandal over his hand wraps before his knockout loss to Shane Mosley last year, or a rematch with Miguel Cotto, whom Pacquiao knocked out to win a welterweight title in November 2009.


Those fights would take place at junior middleweight and give Pacquiao a chance to win a title in a record-extending eighth weight class.

He would either fight Cotto for the 154-pound belt he won from Yuri Foreman on June 5 or face Margarito for the belt vacated by Sergio Martinez after he moved up and won the middleweight championship in April.


But Arum did give Mayweather some wiggle room to still accept the deal. He said the deadline he imposed was only as it related to negotiating exclusively with the Mayweather camp.


"People have asked me does [the deadline] mean the Mayweather fight is dead," Arum said on a media conference call that began moments after the countdown clock on Top Rank's website struck zero. "Even though Mayweather hasn't responded by the deadline my answer is a simple one -- it's dead when we conclude a deal with an opponent for Manny to fight. ... And then we would look to do a fight with Floyd next year. In the interim, while this is going on, if Floyd suddenly emerged we would not be opposed to doing the fight. While these negotiations are going on [with Cotto and Margarito], if Floyd came to the table, that's the fight we want more than all others."


Not only did Arum leave the door open to Mayweather to still accept the fight in the next 10 days or so -- the length of time Arum figured it would take him to make a deal with Cotto or Margarito -- but he was also conciliatory toward a fighter he has had raging public feuds with since their promotional agreement ended on a sour note several years ago.


Rather than bash Mayweather for his silence and lack of response to the deadline and for not accepting the fight, Arum was soothing toward his nemesis.


"I am sure that there is a very, very good reason that Floyd Mayweather has for not committing to a fight at this time," Arum said. "I really, truly believe that. Now I am speculating, but one of the reasons could be the uncertainly regarding [uncle and trainer] Roger Mayweather. Roger Mayweather is scheduled before a court in Nevada regarding criminal charges. I know how Manny would feel if he had to go into a fight like this without the services of Freddie Roach."


Roger Mayweather is scheduled to go on trial early next month on a year-old battery charge that alleges he beat a female boxer he once trained. Mayweather has already served time for a previous assault charge -- during which time he missed one of his nephew's fights -- and faces a maximum 10-year sentence.

 
Arum said for weeks before the deadline that Mayweather's camp had a contract for the fight and that Pacquiao has accepted the terms, including provisions for drug testing (blood and urine) leading to the bout. An inability to come to terms on the drug-testing issue caused the fight to fall apart in early January and sent both fighters into other bouts.


Pacquiao easily outpointed Joshua Clottey at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas, on March 13 and Mayweather dominated Shane Mosley in a May 1 fight at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.


"I think that issue [drug testing] was resolved," Arum said. "I believe it was resolved and I don't want to go into the details."


Another factor that Arum didn't address was the status of the defamation suit Pacquiao filed against Mayweather, members of his team and Golden Boy's Richard Schaefer and Oscar De La Hoya, over comments that linked Pacquiao to performance-enhancing drugs, which he denies ever using.


Arum said he never spoke directly to the Mayweather camp during negotiations, but said he believed he and Mayweather adviser Al Haymon settled on an agreement during the talks that went entirely through Ross Greenburg, the president of HBO Sports, which would have produced and distributed the fight on pay-per-view.


Arum took the deal to Pacquiao and got his OK. Haymon, he said, was supposed to take the deal to Mayweather for his OK. On June 30, Arum said he believed there were no remaining issues.


"That's based on my conversations with Ross Greenburg," Arum said. "I have never talked to anybody on the Mayweather side. Ross represented to me certain things that he had discussed with Al Haymon on behalf of Floyd Mayweather."


Haymon does not speak to the media and Leonard Ellerbe, another Mayweather adviser, has not returned messages and e-mails from ESPN.com.


Although Arum wouldn't go into the details in the proposed deal, he did talk about the way the secretive talks unfolded.


"About two months ago, a few days after the Mayweather-Mosley fight, I got a call from Ross Greenburg, who asked me frankly whether myself and Manny Pacquiao wanted to do the fight against Floyd Mayweather," Arum said. "I assured him that, yes, I had talked to Manny and that was the case, and from there I had a couple of conversations with Ross and I laid out all the terms that would be acceptable to our side.


"And I also informed him about the concessions that Manny had made regarding drug testing. He got back to me in a couple of weeks and told me he had discussed it with Al Haymon, and everything looked good and we were nearing a resolution.


"They kept assuring Greenburg, at least based on what Greenburg told me, that Haymon told him he was working on it [and] expecting [a commitment from Mayweather] shortly and it never materialized. I don't blame Haymon. I think Haymon really tried, at least based on what I hear from Greenburg."


Arum said that Schaefer, the Golden Boy CEO who has promoted Mayweather's last several fights and was heavily involved in the first negotiations for the Pacquiao fight, wasn't directly involved this time.


"Nowhere was the name Richard Schaefer or Golden Boy mentioned, although I read, as you all did, De La Hoya's statement [to a Spanish-language network] that a deal was close. So I assumed from that that Haymon was keeping Schaefer and Golden Boy abreast of the situation.


"Ross has for the last month been telling me Haymon was working very, very hard to get the agreement done with Floyd. A couple of weeks ago I told [Greenburg] I wanted to do this fight very badly and so did Manny, but that at a particular point in time we'd have to move on."


Asked why he only negotiated the bout with Greenburg acting as a go-between rather than directly with Haymon, with whom he has had a rancorous relationship in recent years, Arum said: "Ross was committed to make the fight happen and as the head of HBO Sports I felt the best chance to make the fight happen was to do everything through Ross, almost like he was the mediator. And I still believe it was the right way to go. It obviously didn't work out [but] not because Ross didn't do a good job. But obviously Floyd, for whatever reason, and I'm sure he had some valid reason, didn't want to commit."


So now it's on to talking with the representatives for Margarito and Cotto, which Arum said needs to be done quickly so Pacquiao, a recently elected congressman in the Philippines, can work out his tricky schedule.


"First I have to get Manny's views," Arum said. "I have to discuss with Manny who he prefers [Cotto or Margarito] and then get everything put together. Whoever he selects is who we will go after."


Arum said if Pacquiao fights Cotto it would take place either at the MGM Grand or Cowboys Stadium. If it's Margarito, he said the fight would take place at a new arena in Monterrey, Mexico, or at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, if Margarito can secure a provisional license in Nevada. The Nevada State Athletic Commission tabled his application earlier this month, but it is still possible he could secure a license for the fight.


Neither of those fights is nearly as big as a bout with Mayweather, which many believe would break all revenue records in boxing history.


"It would be a shame if it didn't happen," Arum said. "I don't think any of you [media] guys should be too harsh on Floyd. I would have liked for him to communicate but I really believe this issue with his uncle has an effect.


"Right now, I understand Floyd's position regarding Roger. We know the seriousness regarding Roger and I can understand him delaying plans for a future fight until there's a resolution. Boxing fans are going to be disappointed but they have to realize and cut Floyd Mayweather some slack. People should be understanding. Floyd Mayweather is not saying he will never fight Manny Pacquiao and Manny Pacquiao is not saying he's not going to fight.


"There's always next year."

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Why would he avoid the fight though? It's not like Pac is likely to beat him, and Mayweather already has been called out for only fighting weaker guys or guys who aren't in their prime anymore.

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Why would he avoid the fight though? It's not like Pac is likely to beat him, and Mayweather already has been called out for only fighting weaker guys or guys who aren't in their prime anymore.

Pacquiao is the pound for pound best fighter in the world. I think he has pretty strong shot at beating Floyd lol. It would be a tough fight to call. But Floyd has typically taken the safer fights. This would easily be the most dangerous fight of his career and one he could easily lose. The thing Im sure Floyd is scared of, is that Pacquiao can beat him. And if he loses, everyone will question his legacy even more. The questions about him handpicking opponents that he could beat, will become even louder. But the fight should happen, and it should happen now. These two could create one of the greatest boxing rivalries ever. Imagine if one of them wins the first fight, they have a rematch, and the other one wins. That 3rd fight would be INSANE.

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Part of me still thinks that this is all a show. First Pacquiao acted like a bitch now Mayweather is. They couldn't both be dumb enough to miss out on this kind of money....could they?

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Part of me still thinks that this is all a show. First Pacquiao acted like a bitch now Mayweather is. They couldn't both be dumb enough to miss out on this kind of money....could they?

Well I think at the beginning Pacquiao really did have issues with giving blood close to the fight. He mentioned that as an issue all the way back with the Morales fight. It was a mental thing, but I do think he really believed it woud affect him in the fight. Not to mention, with the first fight...I always thought the two camps would want to delay the fight anyways since Pacquiao was running for office and they had to speed up the fight in order for him to run. This gave them more time to market the fight. But now...there is no reason to not have it.

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bob fucc'n arum is saying give me a deal at 3:am you think i would sign on cause he said so, man fucc that craccer he's just playing his game now and dumb ass niggers are believing it like wilborn, only uncle tom ass niggers jump for when the white man say,fucc that keep fucc'n with they head floyd, sugar ray leonard always did this type of shit and what do these craccer's and sellout niggers say about him, "aww ray was one of the greats he did this and he fought such and such," yet they forget when he held a big ass press conference will a gang of media there thinking he was gonna fight marvin hagler soon, and he shut that shit down hahahaha, and fought him 5 years later,but these same sports writers forget about shit like that hahaha yell

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bob fucc'n arum is saying give me a deal at 3:am you think i would sign on cause he said so, man fucc that craccer he's just playing his game now and dumb ass niggers are believing it like wilborn, only uncle tom ass niggers jump for when the white man say,fucc that keep fucc'n with they head floyd, sugar ray leonard always did this type of shit and what do these craccer's and sellout niggers say about him, "aww ray was one of the greats he did this and he fought such and such," yet they forget when he held a big ass press conference will a gang of media there thinking he was gonna fight marvin hagler soon, and he shut that shit down hahahaha, and fought him 5 years later,but these same sports writers forget about shit like that hahaha yell

Thats stupid tho man. For one, Floyd has been the one holdin this shit up with excuses. He used the drug testing thing at the beginning knowing that Pacquiao was against giving blood right before a fight. He said himself that was the ONLY reason they didnt have a fight. Arum worked with Pacquiao to pretty much get things exactly the way Floyd wanted them. The drug testing is how FLOYD wanted. The money is where both camps want it. By Floyd not taking the fight, Arum is holding up negotiations with other fighters to fight Pacquiao in order to wait on word from Floyd. Floyd is acting like they need him, and they dont. Manny is the top fighter in the world right now, not Floyd. No one questions Mannys legacy because he has ran through so many legends. Floyds legacy is constantly in question because he has ducked some of the better fighters out there. Floyd needs this fight more than Manny does. Arum hasnt said that they WONT have a deal because Floyd didnt respond by the deadline. Its just that up until this deadline, Arum was ONLY negotiating with Floyds people. After the deadline, he is saying he will have to work with other fighters to ensure a fight happens in November....Floyd or not. Mayweather needs to man up and make it happen.

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To be fair to Floyd, with Roger Mayweather having this case going on it's gotta be a distraction and you'd want your camp fully focused on this fight, not having to worry about any outside matters, especially since this will be the hardest fight of his career

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To be fair to Floyd, with Roger Mayweather having this case going on it's gotta be a distraction and you'd want your camp fully focused on this fight, not having to worry about any outside matters, especially since this will be the hardest fight of his career

Thats cool if thats his new excuse. But he should say that. Because right now he is making himself look like a strait up pussy.

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many were sayin pacman was usin somethin...but now that hes agreed and floyd says no..does make him look bad

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many were sayin pacman was usin somethin...but now that hes agreed and floyd says no..does make him look bad

The thing is, it wasnt "many" saying that. It was only Floyd lol No one has ever questioned Pacquiao. He has never tested positive for anything. Floyds camp just put that out there with no real basis for their argument.  They just saw somebody, a smaller man, dominating even larger opponents. They cant give credit where its due, so they just run their mouths.

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Yeah it seemed as if he did it cuz 4 a minute pacman was n the light and took his showtime...otherwise y u want a test or y shouldnt people ask u?

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Yeah it seemed as if he did it cuz 4 a minute pacman was n the light and took his showtime...otherwise y u want a test or y shouldnt people ask u?

The thing is, no one ever questioned Pacquiao on this shit. No one ever assumed he was on anything. Mayweather knew Pacquiao believes that giving blood before a fight weakens him, especially when fighting a bigger man. So he used that to his advantage to make it seem like Pacquiao was the one who was responsible for having no fight. But now Mayweather has no more excuses (although Im sure he will create one).

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these dudes make the decision when they want, all that it's the fight to save boxing is bullshit,if they ain't gonna fight pump up others,sounds like boxing is making the same mistake as west coast rap pump'n up 1 or two artist instead of reviving the sport or scene yell

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these dudes make the decision when they want, all that it's the fight to save boxing is bullshit,if they ain't gonna fight pump up others,sounds like boxing is making the same mistake as west coast rap pump'n up 1 or two artist instead of reviving the sport or scene yell

True. Cus there are a ton of good fighters out there. They are just latching onto these two. But it makes it seem like there arent other good fighters and good fights.