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Quote from: Javier on August 29, 2010, 03:49:21 AMHere are basically my points- You can't describe music by a simple term. It's either lazy or ignorant- if term grows and it becomes more of a scene, then something is wrong with the term itself. on your first point, go-on then! since the rest of the world is clearly lazy and ignorant can you please explain to me how you would describe a)the national b)vampy. what genre are they? and dont say genres are stupid that is the worst opinion ever, genres are a usefull way to classify music, they show both a link in sound, link in influences and MOST IMPORTANTLY a link in the artists approach to making music, that is what different artists in genres share above all. and there is NO good case for saying hip-hop is rock n roll LMAO are you people fucking serious. the very fundamentals of both genres are entirely different. in my opinion it shows ignorance of musical knowledge in both how music is created and the history of its creation, its very important to look at how the music is created to understand how it is related to other artists and what makes them part of the same genre.as for your second point i have no idea what that means, it seems like you are just pissed that the term indie has also become a descriptor for things such as fashion and people. i hate that too! i think its dumb as hell! but thats just idiots. its a completely seperate argument and has nothing i mean 0% to do with indie as a musical term. trust me, i hate it when people say "thats so indie" when they see a dude wearin a waistcoat or trillby hat.
Here are basically my points- You can't describe music by a simple term. It's either lazy or ignorant- if term grows and it becomes more of a scene, then something is wrong with the term itself.
Quote from: SCREWFACE on August 29, 2010, 03:59:30 AMQuote from: Javier on August 29, 2010, 03:49:21 AMHere are basically my points- You can't describe music by a simple term. It's either lazy or ignorant- if term grows and it becomes more of a scene, then something is wrong with the term itself. on your first point, go-on then! since the rest of the world is clearly lazy and ignorant can you please explain to me how you would describe a)the national b)vampy. what genre are they? and dont say genres are stupid that is the worst opinion ever, genres are a usefull way to classify music, they show both a link in sound, link in influences and MOST IMPORTANTLY a link in the artists approach to making music, that is what different artists in genres share above all. and there is NO good case for saying hip-hop is rock n roll LMAO are you people fucking serious. the very fundamentals of both genres are entirely different. in my opinion it shows ignorance of musical knowledge in both how music is created and the history of its creation, its very important to look at how the music is created to understand how it is related to other artists and what makes them part of the same genre.as for your second point i have no idea what that means, it seems like you are just pissed that the term indie has also become a descriptor for things such as fashion and people. i hate that too! i think its dumb as hell! but thats just idiots. its a completely seperate argument and has nothing i mean 0% to do with indie as a musical term. trust me, i hate it when people say "thats so indie" when they see a dude wearin a waistcoat or trillby hat. If genres are a useful way to classify music, then Vampire Weekend and LCD Soundsystem shouldn't even be in the same genre . How can you listen to a song by LCD Soundsystem which sounds more like "electronic/dance" while Vampire Weekend sounds a lot more "worldbeat", "african rhytym influenced" and just say "this is INDIE ROCK", especially with LCD Soundsystem who rarely has songs that are guitar oriented? It doesn't fly, the only reason indie rock term became popular and easy to use is because it was for bands that were either on independent labels or were independent minded. Take a look at the Smiths, they're basically were the latter part of the post punk genre, and then came the "post punk revival" with Interpol, The Strokes etc., but conveniently all these guys just fit into INDIE ROCK because that's the mainstream term to use today, it doesn't describe a true sound. Back in the 80s-90s, it'd be college rock. And to follow your example of rap, the equivalent is just rock. Since there is no Indie Rap out there, it's not a fair comparison. Only close thing is underground hip hop, and once an underground rapper makes it big...the label doesn't stay.
The National are straight out a rock band, and you can take a random song and probably put it to a more specific genre but at the end of the day they're just a rock band.
Like I said, if The National were in the 80s90s, they would be seen as a College Rock Band. If R.E.M. were out today, they would be seen as indie rock. This just goes to show you that these vague labels change
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