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Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic fanbase?

2Pac
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Eminem
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Insane Clown Posse
12 (21.8%)
Joe Budden
17 (30.9%)

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Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
« Reply #100 on: September 17, 2010, 12:32:01 AM »
^You know what's funny about that video? Rae says "98%" don't want it from me, yet Joe Budden is asking for it & saying he will dish it back out & destroy him.

This isn't even a stan comment, it's just a logical one, all legendary things aside, but Rae KNOWS he couldn't stick with him, it's a fact in my mind lol.

Rae came out with OB4CL, a classic album that has garnered near-universal praise and is THE defining mafioso album of rap. Going on that, how is he not a great lyricist? Am I missing something or do we seem to have different ideas of what makes a lyricist great? Because I don't understand how a rapper could be a great lyricist but release shitty material.

What does that have to do with anything? That album is over a decade old. He wasn't saying I can make a better album than anybody on this list, he said I can outrap them on a diss track. I don't see many cases in beef related things where Raekwon made it known "you can't see me" where Joe Budden should feel that Rae would actually threaten him in a rap battle, ten years out of his prime lol.

Anyway, that's your opinion of Joe. To me, Joe's material is fantastic; personally starting for me at "Halfway House". He's got some great songs throughout Mood Muzik, especially the third one, but something about those weren't the same to me as from "Halfway House" on; that would without a doubt in my mind get higher praise if released in...oh say, 1995.

I'd say Jadakiss & Banks are two great lyricists & neither have anything spectacular to show for it; I mean, nothing on the level of "classic". Honestly, people agree "College Dropout" is a classic, but I don't think Kanye is a great lyricist on that. Considering that the last classic I find in a majority of Top 10 lists is the MMLP & nothing after that is dared compared to the Pac's & Big's, you're basically telling me there are no great lyricists from 2001-on because in order to be a great lyricist, you need a classic album, apparently.

Ayo I was listening to Kanye - Cant Tell Me Nothing on youtube today and in the description the dude was like "this man is a lyrical genius".  I was like GTFO here LOL.

Honestly, I'm a bit of a backwards Kanye fan; I think he got progressively better with his albums. Meaning "Graduation" is my favorite. I just used "College Dropout" because saying that's his best is the norm.

So yeah, "Can't Tell Me Nothing" is an AMAZING song to me, but I agree with you 100%, whoever posted that about him is a fuckin' moron lol. It's a great beat, with a great Kanye vibe & sound to it.  "You can get through anything if Magic made it"..lol, not exactly Big L.
 

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Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
« Reply #101 on: September 17, 2010, 01:47:02 AM »
I don't think I'm a Joe Budden stan, though I am a fan.   I do think his commentary on the Vibe Best Rapper competition was blown out of proportion.  If you watch the video, at least from my perspective, it doesn't feel like he purposely singled out Method Man because he wanted beef.  He just grabbed random rappers name that he genuinely felt he was better than.  His larger issue was "What merits are you using to judge the best rapper?"  That happened to be totally glossed over because Method Man got emotional about Budden's minor comment. 

Honestly, the entire situation was stupid.  Budden got emotional about some wack vibe article.  Method Man got emotional about some throw away comment from Budden.  Both bitched out from different perspectives - lack of disses and it resorting to 5 guys confront 1 person and 1 blow being landed, etc.

Budden's commentary on the vibe contest was retarded based on the rapper he chose to target. If I remember correctly there were quite a few "wack" rapper on that list, some with careers barely lasting a year who were put on there purely for being hot at the moment. Yet instead of one of those rappers he chooses to go after a member of a legendary group who has dropped classic records and has his own lengthy solo career? LMAO.


yeah, but in all honety - Joey is a better rapper/lyricist than Meth. recordsales and longevity is irrelevant, when you're evaluating a rappers skills... plus, he didnt attack him - he just took some name at random, and gave his opinioin on him as a rapper/lyricist... and meth got emotional like a bitch, and intead of going agaist Joey lyricaly, to validate himself as a better rapper in defense - he started sayin ignorant bullshit on the internet.. i love Meth though - but he failed on this one...

Speak for yourself, but I haven't seen Budden drop a better album than the first three Wu albums or Tical. How does this make him a better lyricist?

And lol @ you making things up about Meth's response. You seem to have forgotten that it was Joey running his mouth off, and Meth's response was to suggest they face off on a track.

u need to put these niggas' repertoires aside - all their albums n bullshit. that's irrelevant n unnecessary. a rapper isnn't better just becasue his album is (plus, that's a subjective matter, in all honesty).. that's a delusional way of seeing things, n none of dat makes sense. u can't evaluate greatness in a rapper, like that. Pac got better albums than everybody, but he isn't the best lyricist. same thing wit Jay-z, Biggie n Nas..
Chino XL, Kool G Rap and Ras kass are better lyricists than all these cats, but they got shitty albums..  greater lyrics, doesn't necessarily make better music or better songs/albums...
Wu-tang albums are better than Joeys, yup we agree on dat. But joey is definitely better than meth, indivdually - when it comes to lyrics. that's a no-brainer. Meth is a comicbook-character, a characteristic rapper wit one or 2 funny punchlines, every now n then..

n i kno the story on the Budden/Meth-drama. budden took his name at random, n just said dat he thought he was better than him.
meth & Busta rhymes got emotional n took his statements out of context, on a radio-show - n said ignorant things, instead of stepppin up in defense.
meth lost alotta of credentials wit that bullshit - everybody knows that.. this is hiphop, when a nigga say u beter than him - ur supposed to step up n defend ur stature, in a battle (just like they did in the late 80's), not condescend to childish insults and internet-beef.. but i guess that's how things work, nowadays..

Busta Rhymes? Where did that come from? Do you mean Meth?

Why are you making things up about how Meth responded? Read the interview....Budden dissed him first and Meth's response was to defend himself by offering to go one on one on a track. And Budden's response to that was to back down. Lmao, so how did Meth lose cred exactly? Budden talked shit and then tried to retract his statement when he got challenged.

Your whole idea of lyrics is messed up to begin with. How the fuck is a rapper supposed to be a great lyricist when they can't make great records or great music? You clearly don't know what being lyrical even means.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lyrical



Meth, Red, Capp and even Bus went on radio-stations and stirred things up. They were all ignorant, and that's why - Wu-Tang loosed a stripe in HipHop. that's common knowledge for u - factual consistency. EVERYBODY knows that - it's only u and ur delusional disorders, that says different. Budden was calmly and respectfully challenging Meth to go bar for bar wit him, 16 after 16, in the studio - to validate himself as a better lyricist.. on some grown-man shit..
you dont kno what the fucc ur talkin bout, check the facts and history.. Meth fired back wit inslults, he was accepteing the challenge ignorantly at one time on Ed Lover's radio-station - but the battle never happened.. why's that? go figure

and second of all, why the fucc are u comparin Meth's Wu-catalogue wit Buddens catalogue..? LMAO we're talkin bout Meth - the indivudal, the soloact. Wu-Tang Clan (the 10-plus nigga group) is somethin completely different
******Budden dissed him first...***********
lol, Budden never dissed anybody! he started dissin them, when niggas were takin shit out-of-context and became paranoid..
do u want a linked, dictionary-explained rundown on the word "disrespect" and it's defintion? i can look it up on google, if u want.. he said he felt he was a "better rapper" than Meth.. ther's nothin wrong wit that. u delusional gossipin-ass fanboys are takin shit out of context...
HipHop was built on competition, and back in the early days (when HipHop still had a little "HipHop" in it) - rappers were calling out rappers on a friendly level - to compete, and showcase themselves/and at the same, generate buzz for themselves..

***********How the fuck is a rapper supposed to be a great lyricist when they can't make great records or great music? You clearly don't know what being lyrical even means.****************
oh my god, what the hell is wrong wit u? i mean, seriously.. this is startin to get laughable.. come on, bigg homie
that's common knowledge for u as well - lyricists can't create "songs".. of course, what makes a "song" a fullfledged "song", is obvioulsy subjective - but at the end of the day, and generally speaking, most of these lyricist are colorblind wit "music", and they can't create "songs" - that's factual consistency...
and  i don't even have to delve in to that matter with that, cause that would b pathetic.. go study some hiphop, and expand ur knowledge - then come back n debate (cause right now, im moppin the floor wit ur uneducated ass)..

im not a fanatic Budden-fanboy - i dont even know too much about his catalogue. but what real is real - niggas posed to ante-up and step up, when a challenge like that is approached. and yeah,  like that guy said - Wu-Tang will always be etched in stone, as opposed to Budden - but facts is facts. Budden is a better lyricist than some of the members in that legendary group.. Meth is a funny guestappearance-rapper wit some funny punchlines, and he's great in his own ways. but he doesn't pack the right ammo, on the lyrical tip.. and niggas need to stop actin like they're disrespected, when somebody say they're not lyricists - u can b great in ur own way. lyriscism is overrated anyways.


 

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Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
« Reply #102 on: September 17, 2010, 02:03:39 AM »
^You know what's funny about that video? Rae says "98%" don't want it from me, yet Joe Budden is asking for it & saying he will dish it back out & destroy him.

This isn't even a stan comment, it's just a logical one, all legendary things aside, but Rae KNOWS he couldn't stick with him, it's a fact in my mind lol.

Rae came out with OB4CL, a classic album that has garnered near-universal praise and is THE defining mafioso album of rap. Going on that, how is he not a great lyricist? Am I missing something or do we seem to have different ideas of what makes a lyricist great? Because I don't understand how a rapper could be a great lyricist but release shitty material.

What does that have to do with anything? That album is over a decade old. He wasn't saying I can make a better album than anybody on this list, he said I can outrap them on a diss track. I don't see many cases in beef related things where Raekwon made it known "you can't see me" where Joe Budden should feel that Rae would actually threaten him in a rap battle, ten years out of his prime lol.

Anyway, that's your opinion of Joe. To me, Joe's material is fantastic; personally starting for me at "Halfway House". He's got some great songs throughout Mood Muzik, especially the third one, but something about those weren't the same to me as from "Halfway House" on; that would without a doubt in my mind get higher praise if released in...oh say, 1995.

I'd say Jadakiss & Banks are two great lyricists & neither have anything spectacular to show for it; I mean, nothing on the level of "classic". Honestly, people agree "College Dropout" is a classic, but I don't think Kanye is a great lyricist on that. Considering that the last classic I find in a majority of Top 10 lists is the MMLP & nothing after that is dared compared to the Pac's & Big's, you're basically telling me there are no great lyricists from 2001-on because in order to be a great lyricist, you need a classic album, apparently.

Ayo I was listening to Kanye - Cant Tell Me Nothing on youtube today and in the description the dude was like "this man is a lyrical genius".  I was like GTFO here LOL.

Honestly, I'm a bit of a backwards Kanye fan; I think he got progressively better with his albums. Meaning "Graduation" is my favorite. I just used "College Dropout" because saying that's his best is the norm.

So yeah, "Can't Tell Me Nothing" is an AMAZING song to me, but I agree with you 100%, whoever posted that about him is a fuckin' moron lol. It's a great beat, with a great Kanye vibe & sound to it.  "You can get through anything if Magic made it"..lol, not exactly Big L.

You but you know what, it's inspirational, which  is what I like in a song. So to me Kanye can be a good artist at times (Late Registration my fav era), even tho he's not the greatest lyricist.

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Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
« Reply #103 on: September 17, 2010, 08:05:03 AM »
yeah ok so budden can outrap a bunch of great rappers in a battle rap WE GET THE FUCKIN IDEA!!!

he cant make a better record than them tho. can we just stfu about this now. i listen to records, not battles, same as everyone else here. its a dumb line of arguement for that reason.

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Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
« Reply #104 on: September 17, 2010, 08:22:56 AM »
yeah ok so budden can outrap a bunch of great rappers in a battle rap WE GET THE FUCKIN IDEA!!!

he cant make a better record than them tho. can we just stfu about this now. i listen to records, not battles, same as everyone else here. its a dumb line of arguement for that reason.

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Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
« Reply #105 on: September 17, 2010, 08:29:37 AM »
^You know what's funny about that video? Rae says "98%" don't want it from me, yet Joe Budden is asking for it & saying he will dish it back out & destroy him.

This isn't even a stan comment, it's just a logical one, all legendary things aside, but Rae KNOWS he couldn't stick with him, it's a fact in my mind lol.

Rae came out with OB4CL, a classic album that has garnered near-universal praise and is THE defining mafioso album of rap. Going on that, how is he not a great lyricist? Am I missing something or do we seem to have different ideas of what makes a lyricist great? Because I don't understand how a rapper could be a great lyricist but release shitty material.

What does that have to do with anything? That album is over a decade old. He wasn't saying I can make a better album than anybody on this list, he said I can outrap them on a diss track. I don't see many cases in beef related things where Raekwon made it known "you can't see me" where Joe Budden should feel that Rae would actually threaten him in a rap battle, ten years out of his prime lol.

Anyway, that's your opinion of Joe. To me, Joe's material is fantastic; personally starting for me at "Halfway House". He's got some great songs throughout Mood Muzik, especially the third one, but something about those weren't the same to me as from "Halfway House" on; that would without a doubt in my mind get higher praise if released in...oh say, 1995.

I'd say Jadakiss & Banks are two great lyricists & neither have anything spectacular to show for it; I mean, nothing on the level of "classic". Honestly, people agree "College Dropout" is a classic, but I don't think Kanye is a great lyricist on that. Considering that the last classic I find in a majority of Top 10 lists is the MMLP & nothing after that is dared compared to the Pac's & Big's, you're basically telling me there are no great lyricists from 2001-on because in order to be a great lyricist, you need a classic album, apparently.

How does OB4CL not have to do with this? Are you saying the album made itself? Or that the beats made the album and all they dropped were halfass lyrics? WTF is a lyricist if they can't compose a song? Dropping classic music is the epitome of what makes a great lyricist.

What do you mean by outrapping somebody? You mean like an actual freestyle battle? That's probably true since I don't even know if Rae freestyles. But I wouldn't call that outrapping somebody. And it certainly wouldn't make them a lyricist.
 

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Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
« Reply #106 on: September 17, 2010, 08:32:12 AM »
Cham go be a budden stan somewhere else.
It changes the results because people vote budden after seeing you rant here.
 

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Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
« Reply #107 on: September 17, 2010, 10:43:52 AM »
my vote goes to wu tang fans =)....fuck outta here wu tang forever was their last great album and that was in 1997....even rza knows they aint shit these days
 

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Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
« Reply #108 on: September 17, 2010, 10:52:24 AM »
my vote goes to wu tang fans =)....fuck outta here wu tang forever was their last great album and that was in 1997....even rza knows they aint shit these days
Are you fucking serious?
 

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« Reply #109 on: September 17, 2010, 10:58:33 AM »
my vote goes to wu tang fans =)....fuck outta here wu tang forever was their last great album and that was in 1997....even rza knows they aint shit these days
Are you fucking serious?
yes as a group...im dead serious..."the w" was good "iron flag" was decent and "8 diagrams" was average....so yes none of those were great/classic
 

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« Reply #110 on: September 17, 2010, 11:07:43 AM »
my vote goes to wu tang fans =)....fuck outta here wu tang forever was their last great album and that was in 1997....even rza knows they aint shit these days
Are you fucking serious?
yes as a group...im dead serious..."the w" was good "iron flag" was decent and "8 diagrams" was average....so yes none of those were great/classic
As a group?
Yes, but look at all the solo shit.
 

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« Reply #111 on: September 17, 2010, 01:38:08 PM »
Lol @ cham click coming in and single handedly proving why buddens fan base is the worst.
 

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Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
« Reply #112 on: September 17, 2010, 01:45:50 PM »
Lol @ cham click coming in and single handedly proving why buddens fan base is the worst.

You obviously haven't read my post. Lol. 2Pac fans are the worst. This isn't debatable.
 

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Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
« Reply #113 on: September 17, 2010, 01:51:01 PM »
my vote goes to wu tang fans =)....fuck outta here wu tang forever was their last great album and that was in 1997....even rza knows they aint shit these days
Are you fucking serious?
yes as a group...im dead serious..."the w" was good "iron flag" was decent and "8 diagrams" was average....so yes none of those were great/classic

I agree with you for the most part but all of Ghost, Meth, and Rae solos > anything Budden has put out  8)

and I actually second Tanner now that I look at the WCC section and pretty much half of it is Pac threads, some even saying "Pac helped me get over my girl" and "all I listen to is Pac and one Coolio album"  :laugh:
 

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Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
« Reply #114 on: September 17, 2010, 01:57:32 PM »
Knocturnal - hands down.  His nasely ass was on one semi decent cut headlined by Dr.Dre and then would have faded into the obscurity he deserved if it weren't for a few meatheads that think dude is tight.  Fuck him.

2Pac has the most stans thoughand it seems like 99 percent of the really weird ones are euro or from kangaroo land for some strange reason.
 

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« Reply #115 on: September 17, 2010, 02:24:38 PM »
What about J Dilla?

WTH?

There's a lot of dickriders saying that he's the best producer of all time but when he was alive (he's a good producer no doubt, just not the best,) not many people knew who he was.
 

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Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
« Reply #116 on: September 17, 2010, 02:30:48 PM »
See, nobody is even reading what I'm writing.

PLEASE, I'm asking you to point out one thing I said that was stannish. You can't, because I'm not.

Defending an artist doesn't mean you're stanning; if that was the I'd have to say the entire board is a Wu stan for defending their side lol; morons. :laugh:

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Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
« Reply #117 on: September 17, 2010, 03:11:51 PM »
Chamillitary I see you! *Rawse voice*

on the real though Cham isn't a stan at all I seen him even give Game his props where due, dude just likes Budden more so than most on this forum and ain't nothing wrong with that cuz his opinion won't change mine and vice versa, don't point the finger yell  8)

however, there are true stans on this very board who will remain nameless
 

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« Reply #118 on: September 17, 2010, 03:26:32 PM »
Chamillitary I see you! *Rawse voice*

on the real though Cham isn't a stan at all I seen him even give Game his props where due, dude just likes Budden more so than most on this forum and ain't nothing wrong with that cuz his opinion won't change mine and vice versa, don't point the finger yell  8)

however, there are true stans on this very board who will remain nameless

No one in this section (unless I'm forgetting somone) is a stan, in my opinion. The West Coast section has Crooked, Pac, Snoop & Game stans though.
 

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Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
« Reply #119 on: September 18, 2010, 09:48:41 PM »
2Pac.

Then again, any stanbase for a washed out or dead 90's rapper is pathetic.
 

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« Reply #120 on: September 19, 2010, 02:56:48 PM »
Honestly, people agree "College Dropout" is a classic, but I don't think Kanye is a great lyricist on that.

I have to stop you right there. That shit was pure poetry, songs such as all falls down, never let me down, jesus walks, two words..
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Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
« Reply #121 on: September 19, 2010, 06:37:10 PM »
Honestly, people agree "College Dropout" is a classic, but I don't think Kanye is a great lyricist on that.

I have to stop you right there. That shit was pure poetry, songs such as all falls down, never let me down, jesus walks, two words..
Yup. Couldn't agree more.

I think Cham is just a person who appreciates battle rhyming more than something that Kanye would do, and that's all good. I definitely wouldn't frown upon Kanye's lyrics on College Dropout or any album for that matter.
 

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Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
« Reply #122 on: September 19, 2010, 06:42:03 PM »
Honestly, people agree "College Dropout" is a classic, but I don't think Kanye is a great lyricist on that.

I have to stop you right there. That shit was pure poetry, songs such as all falls down, never let me down, jesus walks, two words..
Yup. Couldn't agree more.

I think Cham is just a person who appreciates battle rhyming more than something that Kanye would do, and that's all good. I definitely wouldn't frown upon Kanye's lyrics on College Dropout or any album for that matter.

Na. I love all of Kanye's albums. "Graduation" is so classic to me. But I don't know, I just don't find him lyrical. I respect both of your opinions though. 8)
 

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Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
« Reply #123 on: September 19, 2010, 07:05:08 PM »
I dunno to me, C.D. had the beats, the production, and the vocals.  Ye's vocals were energetic, heartfelt, and decently written, that is about all you can ask for.  In the other thread we were talking about being lyrical (Chino XL) vs. making a good song (50 Cent).  I think Ye knows how to make good songs.  He understands the craft of writing.  His first 2 are personal classics to me.  Graduation was half decent and I don't fuck with 808's at all.  I'm sure in a year I'll probably give it a good spin and enjoy it....

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« Reply #124 on: September 20, 2010, 08:22:52 AM »
the first two albums were on a personal level, you got to know a lot about who kanye WAS.. I loved that Last Call song at the end of College Dropout.. listened to that for ever.
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