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Re: The REAL thing/song that killed Hip-Hop...
« Reply #75 on: October 06, 2010, 10:49:11 PM »
Im pretty much cosignin wit Screw on this 1.  Its like an insult to ur intelligence wen ppl say shit like that, like every single piece of music was Pure Gold from tha 90`s and everything now is just a half ass attempt at making music.  I think we should all get together and care 4 our old and sickly ex hip hop stuck in tha pre 2000`s fans, they seriously need our help 2 guide them and coach them and help them grow all over again 4 sum reasin.
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Unless you include the pac stans.


i'm surprised you havent seen em.  There's Action, Midwestryder, ChamillAhScary Bitch, Enyce (and a few others on here alone), and a gang of other random ppl who pop up on the internet and constantly day by day compare the Old Skool 2 tha New.  They might not be in as big of numbers as before but best believe these fuckers are still alive and kickin', it's just that alotta ppl ignore that shit becuz its not true.  This thread is definitely one for sure *that's an insult to my intelligence too just saying that*.  And i dont believe in there is such a thing as a Pac stan.  I think SOME ppl are too quick to pass Pac off becuz Pac was from the Old Skool and everybody loved Pac.  Out of all of tha 2Pac dedicated fans to ever hit tha internet I dont think Ive ever seen any1 be over obsessed and delusional about 2Pac.  It's just some ppl arent as enthusiastic about Pac anymore and want everybody else to move on too.  
Im pretty much cosignin wit Screw on this 1.  Its like an insult to ur intelligence wen ppl say shit like that, like every single piece of music was Pure Gold from tha 90`s and everything now is just a half ass attempt at making music.  I think we should all get together and care 4 our old and sickly ex hip hop stuck in tha pre 2000`s fans, they seriously need our help 2 guide them and coach them and help them grow all over again 4 sum reasin.
There are no people who fit this profile on here.
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i'm surprised you havent seen em.  There's Action, Midwestryder, ChamillAhScary Bitch, Enyce (and a few others on here alone), and a gang of other random ppl who pop up on the internet and constantly day by day compare the Old Skool 2 tha New.  They might not be in as big of numbers as before but best believe these fuckers are still alive and kickin', it's just that alotta ppl ignore that shit becuz its not true.  This thread is definitely one for sure *that's an insult to my intelligence too just saying that*.  And i dont believe in there is such a thing as a Pac stan.  I think SOME ppl are too quick to pass Pac off becuz Pac was from the Old Skool and everybody loved Pac.  Out of all of tha 2Pac dedicated fans to ever hit tha internet I dont think Ive ever seen any1 be over obsessed and delusional about 2Pac.  It's just some ppl arent as enthusiastic about Pac anymore and want everybody else to move on too. 
midwestryder is a troll.

The others, not really.

You're probably over saturating your 'profile'.

The reason a lot of 90s artist get more respect is because well, 20 years has past and we still remember them.
There were plenty of lesser rappers back then but we forgot about them so they're not being discussed.
The better rappers of this era who will be remembered will be on the same level as the old school artist you refer to.

And you need to differentiate Hip-Hop from Trap, you can't possibly expect hip-hop fans to enjoy gucci the same way they do ill bill.

bitch i am not troll like you. i am fucking truth that ignorant people like you can't understand . i am the ultimate hip hop expert  & you never be on my lable . my pet peeve is ignorance like yours . i  know Ill Bil l& he agrees with eveything i say .
 

midwestryder

Re: The REAL thing/song that killed Hip-Hop...
« Reply #76 on: October 06, 2010, 11:09:09 PM »
Im pretty much cosignin wit Screw on this 1.  Its like an insult to ur intelligence wen ppl say shit like that, like every single piece of music was Pure Gold from tha 90`s and everything now is just a half ass attempt at making music.  I think we should all get together and care 4 our old and sickly ex hip hop stuck in tha pre 2000`s fans, they seriously need our help 2 guide them and coach them and help them grow all over again 4 sum reasin.
There are no people who fit this profile on here.
Unless you include the pac stans.


i'm surprised you havent seen em.  There's Action, Midwestryder, ChamillAhScary Bitch, Enyce (and a few others on here alone), and a gang of other random ppl who pop up on the internet and constantly day by day compare the Old Skool 2 tha New.  They might not be in as big of numbers as before but best believe these fuckers are still alive and kickin', it's just that alotta ppl ignore that shit becuz its not true.  This thread is definitely one for sure *that's an insult to my intelligence too just saying that*.  And i dont believe in there is such a thing as a Pac stan.  I think SOME ppl are too quick to pass Pac off becuz Pac was from the Old Skool and everybody loved Pac.  Out of all of tha 2Pac dedicated fans to ever hit tha internet I dont think Ive ever seen any1 be over obsessed and delusional about 2Pac.  It's just some ppl arent as enthusiastic about Pac anymore and want everybody else to move on too.  
we compare the old school to new school because the old school set the stand for excellence aka mean quality . . but you new school idiots act like your music is incredible when it is suppare. . see you new schoolers act like you make better music then old school & that what old school did , does not matter all. that is diss to us automaticly .we are not the ones stuck in 90's  or any era at all. see you are the one being ignorant & closeminded.you are stuck in your era & can't get over.so you are the one stuck not us   i listen to new school dumbass . i listen to big K.r.i.t., slaughterhouse, nipsey hussle,yelawolf, wiz khalifa, pill,& smoke dza . but still the music is not even close to being as good as what was made by old school .i go looking for new artist & to find quality new school music. but it is still not up to quality of what i grew up on at all & that is a fact . you just don't like hearing that every generation after mines is getting dumber & wacker everyday. see everything old school in life is better. cars, tv,movies,music ,books , & people were all better made in the old school . in your era eveything is cheeply made & garabage .
 

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Re: The REAL thing/song that killed Hip-Hop...
« Reply #77 on: October 06, 2010, 11:13:39 PM »
Or like when some of the whack ass mainstream club songs of 90's rap are now considered to be real Hip-Hop classics...  Give me a break.  People don't understand generations...

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Re: The REAL thing/song that killed Hip-Hop...
« Reply #78 on: October 07, 2010, 12:01:09 AM »
Hey midwestryder, how doez it feel 2 be one of tha very few Regan Republicans of Rap?  Cmon son honestly tho, u cant really be that mad.
 

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Re: The REAL thing/song that killed Hip-Hop...
« Reply #79 on: October 21, 2010, 08:09:25 AM »
Hey midwestryder, how doez it feel 2 be one of tha very few Regan Republicans of Rap?  Cmon son honestly tho, u cant really be that mad.
i am not your son ,fag. . yes i am  sick of the new generations ignorance & closemindedness.
 

midwestryder

Re: The REAL thing/song that killed Hip-Hop...
« Reply #80 on: October 21, 2010, 08:11:23 AM »
Or like when some of the whack ass mainstream club songs of 90's rap are now considered to be real Hip-Hop classics...  Give me a break.  People don't understand generations...
that whack ass mainstream club songs of 90's rap are still better then 90% of today's music all together. what songs are you talking about .
 

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« Reply #81 on: October 21, 2010, 08:23:06 AM »
sorry if somebody have posted this before but.....

what are you guys talking about? Rap music ain't dead. It's just went back to its right place. The underground. TV and Radio has never been a good place for the rap music. Mainstream ruined the message in rap music... but only for a while and not everywhere (underground have always been the shit). Good old days are back. Just turn off the radio and stick your ears to the underground.

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« Reply #82 on: October 21, 2010, 10:01:44 AM »
Hey midwestryder, how doez it feel 2 be one of tha very few Regan Republicans of Rap?  Cmon son honestly tho, u cant really be that mad.
i am not your son ,fag. . yes i am  sick of the new generations ignorance & closemindedness.

 

midwestryder

Re: The REAL thing/song that killed Hip-Hop...
« Reply #83 on: October 29, 2010, 07:35:00 AM »
Hey midwestryder, how doez it feel 2 be one of tha very few Regan Republicans of Rap?  Cmon son honestly tho, u cant really be that mad.
i am not your son ,fag. . yes i am  sick of the new generations ignorance & closemindedness.


there is no irony at all because i am open to new school. the new school is the one who is closeminded & ignorant because they first to diss the old school & act like the new school is better.when that is load bullcrap. sorry but there was more creative & more real musc in the old school then there will be today. also every old school is better made & the is a fact . old school cars .old school tv, old school washer & dryiers ,old school movies,books& . old school built homes are better then any of the new school versions . every thing i said is fact
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Re: The REAL thing/song that killed Hip-Hop...
« Reply #84 on: October 29, 2010, 02:39:06 PM »
Hey midwestryder, how doez it feel 2 be one of tha very few Regan Republicans of Rap?  Cmon son honestly tho, u cant really be that mad.
i am not your son ,fag. . yes i am  sick of the new generations ignorance & closemindedness.


there is no irony at all because i am open to new school. the new school is the one who is closeminded & ignorant because they first to diss the old school & act like the new school is better.when that is load bullcrap. sorry but there was more creative & more real musc in the old school then there will be today. also every old school is better made & the is a fact . old school cars .old school tv, old school washer & dryiers ,old school movies,books& . old school built homes are better then any of the new school versions . every thing i said is fact

Props to u 4 still tryna hold tha torch.  ur a vietnam hip hop veteran.  now go cry and suck a dick and stop whinnin' witcha' bitchass!
 

midwestryder

Re: The REAL thing/song that killed Hip-Hop...
« Reply #85 on: November 03, 2010, 02:03:00 PM »
Hey midwestryder, how doez it feel 2 be one of tha very few Regan Republicans of Rap?  Cmon son honestly tho, u cant really be that mad.
i am not your son ,fag. . yes i am  sick of the new generations ignorance & closemindedness.


there is no irony at all because i am open to new school. the new school is the one who is closeminded & ignorant because they first to diss the old school & act like the new school is better.when that is load bullcrap. sorry but there was more creative & more real musc in the old school then there will be today. also every old school is better made & the is a fact . old school cars .old school tv, old school washer & dryiers ,old school movies,books& . old school built homes are better then any of the new school versions . every thing i said is fact

Props to u 4 still tryna hold tha torch.  ur a vietnam hip hop veteran.  now go cry and suck a dick and stop whinnin' witcha' bitchass!
i don't cry like bitch ass marks like you & the rest of pussy ass new school . the only whiining bitchass is you & the punk ass new school . you are a bunch of weak ass pussies who could not handle one old schooler by their self . see real men were from the old school  . you just handle the truth the old school is better then evey way then you & the new school because everything new school is cheeply made & bitch made. everything i said is fact .everything you said is pussy bitch made weak ass opinion .
 

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Re: The REAL thing/song that killed Hip-Hop...
« Reply #86 on: November 03, 2010, 04:32:23 PM »
Midwestplayerhater, that's ur new name
 

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Re: The REAL thing/song that killed Hip-Hop...
« Reply #87 on: November 03, 2010, 05:15:20 PM »
that bling bling shit killed hip hop...

rap used to be the articulator for the people in the hood to speak some real shit and actually point out the problems. but it turned into white men's popmusic at a certain point when rapping about rims and gold chains was more important than people from your neighborhood suffering. I don't want generalize it though and it's legitimate that major music genres turn into or mix with pop music, but especially all this "look at me, I'm rich as fuck" braggadocio stuff turned hip-hop away from what it was.
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« Reply #88 on: November 03, 2010, 06:51:42 PM »
What wuz dude talkn abt in that uthr topic abt people understanding an artist intent.  Alot of that plays into whut kud appear to be on tha surface as sumthing its not.  When u have big money u do shit most people wudnt do or u normally wudnt do if u didnt have money.   And thats whut makes it Real/Reality.  Has anybody ever noticed that it wuz such a big deal and so un hip hop 4 Black people to talk about being successful and partying and having nice things and living tha good life?  How duz romantisizing those issues constitute as being fake, if anything just sum of tha songs being made and broadcasted were unoriginal, everything else wuz normal and just tha way most people liked it.  Alot of tha negativity is just hype and outcries from misguided and misinformed people.
 

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« Reply #89 on: November 04, 2010, 03:20:58 PM »
How duz romantisizing those issues constitute as being fake, if anything just sum of tha songs being made and broadcasted were unoriginal, everything else wuz normal and just tha way most people liked it.  Alot of tha negativity is just hype and outcries from misguided and misinformed people.

word.

that bling bling shit killed hip hop...

rap used to be the articulator for the people in the hood to speak some real shit and actually point out the problems. but it turned into white men's popmusic at a certain point when rapping about rims and gold chains was more important than people from your neighborhood suffering. I don't want generalize it though and it's legitimate that major music genres turn into or mix with pop music, but especially all this "look at me, I'm rich as fuck" braggadocio stuff turned hip-hop away from what it was.

sorry but the whole bling arguement is dumb as hell and whats more ITS OLD AS HELL. name ur 10 favourite rappers and i bet they glorified the high life in some of their raps. unless of course you somehow come out with the backpackers top 10 lol. we all want the good life and rap is about struggle, and people who came out that struggle want to talk about it, or at least dream about gettin out of it, so i dont care if it glorifies it, its still good. 

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Re: The REAL thing/song that killed Hip-Hop...
« Reply #90 on: November 04, 2010, 08:34:36 PM »

that bling bling shit killed hip hop...

rap used to be the articulator for the people in the hood to speak some real shit and actually point out the problems. but it turned into white men's popmusic at a certain point when rapping about rims and gold chains was more important than people from your neighborhood suffering. I don't want generalize it though and it's legitimate that major music genres turn into or mix with pop music, but especially all this "look at me, I'm rich as fuck" braggadocio stuff turned hip-hop away from what it was.

sorry but the whole bling arguement is dumb as hell and whats more ITS OLD AS HELL. name ur 10 favourite rappers and i bet they glorified the high life in some of their raps. unless of course you somehow come out with the backpackers top 10 lol. we all want the good life and rap is about struggle, and people who came out that struggle want to talk about it, or at least dream about gettin out of it, so i dont care if it glorifies it, its still good. 

Yeah I see what you're trying to say. And to some point I agree because I really do like some of those songs. It don't matter if it's E-40, Snoop, Cube or even DJ Quik. All of them had their poppy songs, especially Snoop. But what I'm trying to say is, that those songs turned Hip-Hop into the wrong direction. I mean in a mainstream kind of way. All of them had their best songs when being "real" or better from the bottom. And you can see them going back to that. E-40 with his last album, Cube on tracks like "Hood Robbin" or "Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It". Everyone of us likes some pop songs, that's nothing strange and never has been. But the point is, hip-hop was at its best when it tried to tell stories, you feel me? Just don't call my point dumb, I think you didn't really get what I was trying to point out. Just look at what people praise these days the most. I mean even on here. It's lyrics like those of rappers like Murs or Paris. Who really try to point something out not just telling which cognac brand they shift down their throat.

For example I really enjoy the track of N.E.R.D.'s new album "Life As A Fish" which is really trying to make a statement. That's what music should do, especially hip-hop, which was coming out of this kind of art form. And in the last decade we had so many bullshit topics to be rapped about. I mean even Terrace Martin showed us how easy it could be with this love and relationship thing. Hip-Hop has to have a direction, but the recent direction is just wrong. That's what Nas pointed out for example.
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« Reply #91 on: November 05, 2010, 02:43:09 AM »
If Hip Hop didnt have a fun side i would die!
 

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« Reply #92 on: November 05, 2010, 08:55:41 AM »

that bling bling shit killed hip hop...

rap used to be the articulator for the people in the hood to speak some real shit and actually point out the problems. but it turned into white men's popmusic at a certain point when rapping about rims and gold chains was more important than people from your neighborhood suffering. I don't want generalize it though and it's legitimate that major music genres turn into or mix with pop music, but especially all this "look at me, I'm rich as fuck" braggadocio stuff turned hip-hop away from what it was.

sorry but the whole bling arguement is dumb as hell and whats more ITS OLD AS HELL. name ur 10 favourite rappers and i bet they glorified the high life in some of their raps. unless of course you somehow come out with the backpackers top 10 lol. we all want the good life and rap is about struggle, and people who came out that struggle want to talk about it, or at least dream about gettin out of it, so i dont care if it glorifies it, its still good. 

Yeah I see what you're trying to say. And to some point I agree because I really do like some of those songs. It don't matter if it's E-40, Snoop, Cube or even DJ Quik. All of them had their poppy songs, especially Snoop. But what I'm trying to say is, that those songs turned Hip-Hop into the wrong direction. I mean in a mainstream kind of way. All of them had their best songs when being "real" or better from the bottom. And you can see them going back to that. E-40 with his last album, Cube on tracks like "Hood Robbin" or "Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It". Everyone of us likes some pop songs, that's nothing strange and never has been. But the point is, hip-hop was at its best when it tried to tell stories, you feel me? Just don't call my point dumb, I think you didn't really get what I was trying to point out. Just look at what people praise these days the most. I mean even on here. It's lyrics like those of rappers like Murs or Paris. Who really try to point something out not just telling which cognac brand they shift down their throat.

For example I really enjoy the track of N.E.R.D.'s new album "Life As A Fish" which is really trying to make a statement. That's what music should do, especially hip-hop, which was coming out of this kind of art form. And in the last decade we had so many bullshit topics to be rapped about. I mean even Terrace Martin showed us how easy it could be with this love and relationship thing. Hip-Hop has to have a direction, but the recent direction is just wrong. That's what Nas pointed out for example.

ok so ill admit the point isnt dumb when you explain it like that, makes a lot of sense. it think it just comes down to preference, i LOVE music with a message, something that can make me feel or think differently, something that can grab me. but fuck i love that ignornant shit too and i dont think one is wrong or right, they are just different. you could say the direction of hip-hop in the mainstream has become SHALLOW, fuck yeah, its shallow as hell and ill freely admit that, but it doesnt make it bad. not all music needs a message. i mean hell im a huge techno head and what is the message to that? there is a scene surrounding it all about being free, dancing, and getting fucked up, but really it has no message, its just music, and i think its wrong to downplay music just because it doesnt tell a story or have a serious message.

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« Reply #93 on: November 05, 2010, 03:12:22 PM »
Midwestplayerhater, that's ur new name
the only ignorant ass ,closeminded hater is you . I am the honest truth you can't handle. so your name is Loud Pack hater because that is all you are a hater
 

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Re: The REAL thing/song that killed Hip-Hop...
« Reply #94 on: November 05, 2010, 06:09:52 PM »

that bling bling shit killed hip hop...

rap used to be the articulator for the people in the hood to speak some real shit and actually point out the problems. but it turned into white men's popmusic at a certain point when rapping about rims and gold chains was more important than people from your neighborhood suffering. I don't want generalize it though and it's legitimate that major music genres turn into or mix with pop music, but especially all this "look at me, I'm rich as fuck" braggadocio stuff turned hip-hop away from what it was.

sorry but the whole bling arguement is dumb as hell and whats more ITS OLD AS HELL. name ur 10 favourite rappers and i bet they glorified the high life in some of their raps. unless of course you somehow come out with the backpackers top 10 lol. we all want the good life and rap is about struggle, and people who came out that struggle want to talk about it, or at least dream about gettin out of it, so i dont care if it glorifies it, its still good. 

Yeah I see what you're trying to say. And to some point I agree because I really do like some of those songs. It don't matter if it's E-40, Snoop, Cube or even DJ Quik. All of them had their poppy songs, especially Snoop. But what I'm trying to say is, that those songs turned Hip-Hop into the wrong direction. I mean in a mainstream kind of way. All of them had their best songs when being "real" or better from the bottom. And you can see them going back to that. E-40 with his last album, Cube on tracks like "Hood Robbin" or "Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It". Everyone of us likes some pop songs, that's nothing strange and never has been. But the point is, hip-hop was at its best when it tried to tell stories, you feel me? Just don't call my point dumb, I think you didn't really get what I was trying to point out. Just look at what people praise these days the most. I mean even on here. It's lyrics like those of rappers like Murs or Paris. Who really try to point something out not just telling which cognac brand they shift down their throat.

For example I really enjoy the track of N.E.R.D.'s new album "Life As A Fish" which is really trying to make a statement. That's what music should do, especially hip-hop, which was coming out of this kind of art form. And in the last decade we had so many bullshit topics to be rapped about. I mean even Terrace Martin showed us how easy it could be with this love and relationship thing. Hip-Hop has to have a direction, but the recent direction is just wrong. That's what Nas pointed out for example.

ok so ill admit the point isnt dumb when you explain it like that, makes a lot of sense. it think it just comes down to preference, i LOVE music with a message, something that can make me feel or think differently, something that can grab me. but fuck i love that ignornant shit too and i dont think one is wrong or right, they are just different. you could say the direction of hip-hop in the mainstream has become SHALLOW, fuck yeah, its shallow as hell and ill freely admit that, but it doesnt make it bad. not all music needs a message. i mean hell im a huge techno head and what is the message to that? there is a scene surrounding it all about being free, dancing, and getting fucked up, but really it has no message, its just music, and i think its wrong to downplay music just because it doesnt tell a story or have a serious message.

I think the solution to this discussion is diversity. Both songs with a message and "fun" songs have their place in hip hop. But when all you are hearing all over the media is ignorant pop songs it makes the genre seem watered-down. I hate how other music genres are allowed to have diversity on a mainstream level, but for hip hop, the powers that be insist on latching onto the next trend and flooding the radio with songs that all try to sound alike.
 

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« Reply #95 on: November 05, 2010, 09:36:26 PM »

that bling bling shit killed hip hop...

rap used to be the articulator for the people in the hood to speak some real shit and actually point out the problems. but it turned into white men's popmusic at a certain point when rapping about rims and gold chains was more important than people from your neighborhood suffering. I don't want generalize it though and it's legitimate that major music genres turn into or mix with pop music, but especially all this "look at me, I'm rich as fuck" braggadocio stuff turned hip-hop away from what it was.

sorry but the whole bling arguement is dumb as hell and whats more ITS OLD AS HELL. name ur 10 favourite rappers and i bet they glorified the high life in some of their raps. unless of course you somehow come out with the backpackers top 10 lol. we all want the good life and rap is about struggle, and people who came out that struggle want to talk about it, or at least dream about gettin out of it, so i dont care if it glorifies it, its still good. 

Yeah I see what you're trying to say. And to some point I agree because I really do like some of those songs. It don't matter if it's E-40, Snoop, Cube or even DJ Quik. All of them had their poppy songs, especially Snoop. But what I'm trying to say is, that those songs turned Hip-Hop into the wrong direction. I mean in a mainstream kind of way. All of them had their best songs when being "real" or better from the bottom. And you can see them going back to that. E-40 with his last album, Cube on tracks like "Hood Robbin" or "Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It". Everyone of us likes some pop songs, that's nothing strange and never has been. But the point is, hip-hop was at its best when it tried to tell stories, you feel me? Just don't call my point dumb, I think you didn't really get what I was trying to point out. Just look at what people praise these days the most. I mean even on here. It's lyrics like those of rappers like Murs or Paris. Who really try to point something out not just telling which cognac brand they shift down their throat.

For example I really enjoy the track of N.E.R.D.'s new album "Life As A Fish" which is really trying to make a statement. That's what music should do, especially hip-hop, which was coming out of this kind of art form. And in the last decade we had so many bullshit topics to be rapped about. I mean even Terrace Martin showed us how easy it could be with this love and relationship thing. Hip-Hop has to have a direction, but the recent direction is just wrong. That's what Nas pointed out for example.

ok so ill admit the point isnt dumb when you explain it like that, makes a lot of sense. it think it just comes down to preference, i LOVE music with a message, something that can make me feel or think differently, something that can grab me. but fuck i love that ignornant shit too and i dont think one is wrong or right, they are just different. you could say the direction of hip-hop in the mainstream has become SHALLOW, fuck yeah, its shallow as hell and ill freely admit that, but it doesnt make it bad. not all music needs a message. i mean hell im a huge techno head and what is the message to that? there is a scene surrounding it all about being free, dancing, and getting fucked up, but really it has no message, its just music, and i think its wrong to downplay music just because it doesnt tell a story or have a serious message.

I think the solution to this discussion is diversity. Both songs with a message and "fun" songs have their place in hip hop. But when all you are hearing all over the media is ignorant pop songs it makes the genre seem watered-down. I hate how other music genres are allowed to have diversity on a mainstream level, but for hip hop, the powers that be insist on latching onto the next trend and flooding the radio with songs that all try to sound alike.

yeah, what both of you just posted is exactly what I feel like! don't get me wrong, I love some ignorant shit as hell. how else could you praise cats like too short, suga free or e-40? but it's exactly like you said, hip-hop went wrong with being seen as a genre dominated by black males talking bout their cars, rims, hoes, straps, alcoholics and weed types. it's just because nearly every rap song from the last decade that was in the top 20 was about such a thing. and i don't get why because there is so much message music out there too. it's just about how you deliver it. sometimes you need retarded songs. but i make a difference between songs which are retarded or trashy but still original as hell and those which are just wack. I don't even know how i should explain how i make the difference. for example sometimes i like lil jon songs, because they got energy and they are original because lil jon succeeded in creating his own formula and his own way of representing his shit. but on the other hand i detest guys like lil wayne for being just wack. I know some may say that lil wayne is doin the same thing but i feel like his shit is way more unoriginal an senseless. i couldnt even party to his tracks. at the end it's all about the taste anyway. but i think hip-hop is seen wrong just because of the incredibly high number of those pointless wack songs compared to the songs style or message in the mainstream. i mean e-40 went big with "tell me when to go" and i loved that song. and at the same time i hated when snoop came out with "i wanna fuck you".
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