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Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)

the most perfect career in Hiphop?
« on: September 25, 2010, 12:05:46 PM »
my pick.... Snoop Dogg - "the only rapper even your grandmother knows about"..
i gotta give it up to this guy.. no rapper has a better career than Snoop Dogg and never had in the HipHop-industry, from a succesful point of view and if we're talking about longevity without fall-offs.. his bank-account, and his skills as a rapper is irrelevant.
some of the soundscan-digits for some of his albums weren't that good, but everything else that he accomplished during his 18 year run - outweighs the soundscan-digits for some of his albums..

never fell off one single time.. year after year, Snoop was always there - featured on some of the biggest singles, one song on every artists album. always relevant from a media-perspective. no other Hiphop-artist acchieved that..
 always consistent/making hundres of songs every year. adapting himself with the times musically..
all the rappers with the big names in the this biz, went through renaissances with their careers. all of them. there were times when Jay-Z, Eminem wasn't there.. Snoop ALWAYS been there.. Snoop never made a "comeback". Even when he signed to No Limit and dropped his first album over there, he was still relevant and still a big pop-artist..

there is no rapper period, who can fit perfectly on every type of instrumental - and make it sound legit and/or perfect. Every rapper in the world got their own areas musically - their own niché. not this guy. Snoop works on everything..
 the perfect "guest-appearnce" rapper. You can't find a rapper with a more characteristic voice as Snoop..

the only rapper that never gets himself into trouble - everybody in the whole music-industry fucks wit Snoop. he's like the Dalai Lama of HipHop.. he's got the record of most features in HipHop-history (Busta Rhymes comes 2nd)..

no rapper has been in more mainstream movies, tv-shows than Snoop.. (59 credits on imdb.com)


i think the only rapper who cooked with Martha Stewart on her show. lol
 

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and undoubtedly and logically, also the King of the West Coast..
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Re: the most perfect career in Hiphop?
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2010, 12:43:39 PM »
hes one of five really to me, if you count Puffy its five, Dre is undeniably the knig of hip hop PERIOD, but Jay and Em run this shit lyrically and financially now, 2pac is still one of the most glorified and respected in and out of hip hop, and Ice Cube is the smartest and most creative hip hop artist to me, he changed hip hop stated his claim and rose to fame without catchy singles and r&b hooks, now hes a major Hollywood player granted Will Smith is Knig at that, but Cube owns and writes producs all of his films some thing Will has barely started doing...those five are undeniably the biggest hip hop artist of the last decade, and if they choose at this point maybe another decade to follow...
 

Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)

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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2010, 12:53:34 PM »
yeah, i feel your list.. good choices.. Puffy comes second to me..

the reason why i picked Snoop, is because at the end of the day - i think longevity without fall-offs, is the most precious element of a career, and i think Snoop is alone in that field. sustaining yourself as a superstar from the day your career begins, all the way until the present day.. 18 long years.
nothing beats that. that's why Snoop's got the best career in my book..
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2010, 02:12:14 PM »
Snoop has always maintained an audience, which is good, but I don't know if I'd say he had the best career in hip-hop. When did Jay or Em fall off? They had their setbacks but even at worst, they were probably both doing better numbers than Snoop. Snoop's strength is his ability to stay relevant in pop culture but I don't think that is always based off what he's doing in rap music.
 

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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2010, 02:21:47 PM »
Eminem disappeared for almost 6 years, with no relevance at all.. and Jay-Z had plenty of hiatuses during his career. From the Jaz-O days as a teenager to the early Roc-a-fella career.. there were times in his career where he almost didn't exist..

the keyword im looking for here is. "sustaining superstar status from the day your career begins, tll present day".. the only one in HipHop-history who acchieved that is Snoop Dogg. that's why he has the best/perfect career of all rappers...


 

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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2010, 10:56:39 PM »
Eminem disappeared for almost 6 years, with no relevance at all.. and Jay-Z had plenty of hiatuses during his career. From the Jaz-O days as a teenager to the early Roc-a-fella career.. there were times in his career where he almost didn't exist..

the keyword im looking for here is. "sustaining superstar status from the day your career begins, tll present day".. the only one in HipHop-history who acchieved that is Snoop Dogg. that's why he has the best/perfect career of all rappers...

Snoop is relevant today?  :D

Anyway, Ice Cube has been around for longer than Snoop Dogg and he is still relevant as far as the media is concerned with movies, tv and what not.

If we're talking longevity, LL Cool J came out in 1985 and managed to stay relevant until 2006. That's 21 years. Snoop is at 18 years right now and I'd say his relevance is up.
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Re: the most perfect career in Hiphop?
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2010, 11:01:51 PM »
Snoop is one of those rare artists that his persona is damn near larger than life. It has definitely surpassed the music he puts out.
 

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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2010, 11:28:13 PM »
Snoop's definatly got one of best careers a rapper has ever had. I think Bun B's had a great career too though. Dude's been featured on so many songs that people might only know him for his solo work instead of his UGK shit.
 

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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2010, 12:04:22 AM »
Snoop's definatly got one of best careers a rapper has ever had. I think Bun B's had a great career too though. Dude's been featured on so many songs that people might only know him for his solo work instead of his UGK shit.
I love that about Bun B, one day you'll hear him on a song with soulja boy then a week later he's on a song with ill bill

 

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Re: the most perfect career in Hiphop?
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2010, 02:54:26 AM »
Eminem disappeared for almost 6 years, with no relevance at all.. and Jay-Z had plenty of hiatuses during his career. From the Jaz-O days as a teenager to the early Roc-a-fella career.. there were times in his career where he almost didn't exist..

the keyword im looking for here is. "sustaining superstar status from the day your career begins, tll present day".. the only one in HipHop-history who acchieved that is Snoop Dogg. that's why he has the best/perfect career of all rappers...

Snoop is relevant today?  :D

Anyway, Ice Cube has been around for longer than Snoop Dogg and he is still relevant as far as the media is concerned with movies, tv and what not.

If we're talking longevity, LL Cool J came out in 1985 and managed to stay relevant until 2006. That's 21 years. Snoop is at 18 years right now and I'd say his relevance is up.


lmao! LL fuckin Cool J?! are you serious? he managed to drop like 10 albums in like a 25-yearspan.. and 2 of them, were just "greatesthits"-compilations. is that relevat? and many of those albums went wood, and sold worse than some of Snoop's lacklustre efforts (not that it matters). but LL's career is the perfect defintion of a comeback-rapper. no rapper in history have gone trhough as many comebacks as James Todd Smith - you cant even compare his career to Snoops. when he wasn't doing albums, he did a few movies - but there were many  years, when he didn't do any movies or music at all.. same thing with Ice Cube...
i gotta give it up to LL and Cube tho, they had pretty good careers.
but and what im still looking for is "sustaining superstar-status".. i repeat "Superstar"..
every year, every day.. no falls-offs, and always relevant in media and productive with your craft..


what sums up the perfect career is this (at least to me):
longevity without no fall-offs while keeping the superstar-status (and that's the most precious element to any career) from the day your career begins (Snoop has been a superstar, relevant every day since 1992/93)


and at the same time, also being productive with your craft.
which rapper dropped more material than Snoop, ever?  

more guest-appearances than any other rappper (worldrecord)  
10 soloalbums
4 group-albums
1 ep
3 compilations
16 official mixtapes
3 digital releases
 that's 37 projects

and
59 movies, tv-shows

Snoop's career is unbeatable..
some rappers managed to generate more money than him (Jigga, Puff, Master P, 50 etc), but that "superstar-longevity"-thing makes Snoop undoubtedly the winner, and the king-of-careers.
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Re: the most perfect career in Hiphop?
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2010, 03:04:18 AM »
Only one off LL Cool J's albums have failed to get a plaque and that was his last one, that is some record tbh considering how long he has been around. He never seems to get the respect he deserves. Agree with the snoop dogg having beet career in hiphop since day one he has been in the spotlight and has since become a major celebrity. Gotta give snoop and cube props tbh how they can change there image around and even do family movies, 10 years ago if someone said cube would do a few family movies everyone would of laughed tbh.
 

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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2010, 04:19:51 AM »
yah yah snoops career is so unbeatable (and no disrespect to the guy, hes a legend) that he only has 2 fuckin good albums, dont even write his own rhymes anymore and hasnt for well over a decade, does songs with any flavour of the month artist in a lame attempt to stay relevant and does a fuckin reality tv show just for a bit of cash. snoop dogg is more of a character and brand these days than a rapper, lets not get it twisted.

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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2010, 09:17:22 AM »
lmao! LL fuckin Cool J?! are you serious? he managed to drop like 10 albums in like a 25-yearspan.. and 2 of them, were just "greatesthits"-compilations. is that relevat? and many of those albums went wood, and sold worse than some of Snoop's lacklustre efforts (not that it matters).

hahahhaha, you don't know shit. Do your history, he's got more plaques than Snoop.

You know what went wood? Snoop's last album. Which kinda makes your whole argument null considering he isn't relevant anymore. Snoop has fallen the fuck off I don't see how you can deny that.

what sums up the perfect career is this (at least to me):
longevity without no fall-offs while keeping the superstar-status (and that's the most precious element to any career) from the day your career begins (Snoop has been a superstar, relevant every day since 1992/93)

Snoop has clearly fallen the fuck off the last few years. End thread.

and at the same time, also being productive with your craft.
which rapper dropped more material than Snoop, ever?  

more guest-appearances than any other rappper (worldrecord)  
10 soloalbums
4 group-albums
1 ep
3 compilations
16 official mixtapes
3 digital releases
 that's 37 projects

There are many rappers who have dropped more material than Snoop

Snoop's career is unbeatable..
some rappers managed to generate more money than him (Jigga, Puff, Master P, 50 etc), but that "superstar-longevity"-thing makes Snoop undoubtedly the winner, and the king-of-careers.

He hasn't been the longest superstar, since I just pointed out that both Cube and LL Cool J have had longer careers.
 

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Re: the most perfect career in Hiphop?
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2010, 10:39:55 AM »
I'd say Jay-Z; he has his fair share of weak music, but Snoop hasn't made anything memorable since Doggystyle.

Snoop Dogg isn't even a rapper anymore, he's just a celebrity who has that "fashizzle my nizzle" thing tied to him.
 

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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2010, 11:03:32 AM »
I'd say Jay-Z; he has his fair share of weak music, but Snoop hasn't made anything memorable since Doggystyle.

Snoop Dogg isn't even a rapper anymore, he's just a celebrity who has that "fashizzle my nizzle" thing tied to him.

He's also had 11 platinum albums, more than Snoop.
 

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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2010, 11:22:08 AM »
i'm not a big fan but this has to be jay-z.

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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2010, 11:26:18 AM »
this is the dumbest thing to try and argue about
 

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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2010, 11:27:08 AM »
this is the dumbest thing to try and argue about

but this has to be jay-z.
 

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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2010, 11:32:18 AM »
jigga jay-z, by far. Dude's a billionnaire, still on top after all these years, that's every rappers dream
 

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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2010, 12:10:45 PM »
yeah the man has it all, even his own brand of tobacco

 

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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2010, 01:02:19 PM »
Rapsodie
dude, serioulsy. in every thread that u pop up in, u always give out the impression that ur either desillusioned or just stupid. how can i debate wit a person who confuses music with lyrics?
LL got more plaques? in what dimension..? planet "Not-True"? as a matter of fact, Snoops first album sold more than LL's first 2 albums (LL's biggest albums to date) combined...
 ima give u 24 hours to study, cuz right now ur embarassing urself..
how the hell can u compare LL wit Snoop's career, and think that LL's career is more succsful? dude, there's even a saying alot of rappers used before called - "makin a comeback like LL Cool J".. heard of it before.. aparently not. lmao
LL's been around since 85, but he fell off n disappeard millions of times. just like Ice Cube.. there were times when they weren't active, wit either music and movies.. none of em comes close wit Snoops career..
how can u say Snoop isn't relevant? seriosuly?
are u blind or just not keepin up wit the times?.. when's the last time, an artist reached out to Cube and LL, for an attention-seeking 16-bar guestappearnce? how many faetures? ummmm.. let's see.. what's a more succesfull marketing-aproach from a recordlabel-standpoint, to feature a verse from og Cube or og LL on ur single - or a verse by Snoop..? "oh let see, im coming out in the game - and i need a guestappearnce for my single. hey, let's call Ice Cube or LL Cool J".. lmao
Snoop was even the #1 go-to-guy for features back in the 90's, when LL and Cube were still active and relevant musically..
Snoop's done more than 700 guestappearancs in music (not solely HipHop) since he started.. world-record
now is that by chance, or maybe because he is relevant? lmao, u dumb mufucca
"oh, let's see - we're doin this tv-show right now. and we should call one of these rappers? let's call Ice Cube or LL.."
when's the last time u saw Cube or LL on Letterman or Leno (for example)? 1996?
you do the math, moron..

and i dont get this Jay-Z thing. just because duke is caked up like a muffucka, yall look at it like he's the biggest succesful of all time. thats desillusional and wrong.
if that would be the case, we might as well say that Master P is the most succesful rapper of all time - cus he got waay more money than Jay-Z.
longevity without fall-offs, sustaining supesrtar-dom is the biggest accomplishment of all, and outweighs everything else. a superstar since the first day - 17 years. no rapper has acchieved that, except this LongBeach-character. that's why Snoop holds it down, wit the best career of all time in HipHop. period..
jay-z been strugglin since 1989 when he ran wit Jaz-O n that "hawain Sophee"-single shit.. he didnt really blew up until 98 (11 years later lol) wit "Hard Knock Life" - and he dindt become a global household-name until he became the president of Def Jam, n signed Rihanna like 2 or 3 years ago. Snoop was a global (i repeat "global") superstar in 1993, and continued to be 17 years later - and at the same time been more productive than ANY other rapper, period..
no rapper has released 37 official projects (14 of them were albums). not a single one.. not even the hardest working undeground cats.
i'll wait.. who? Lil' Wayne? uhmmm... nooo Jay-Z? nooo 50 Cent? Eminem? Cube? LL (lol)? no, no, no and noo..
name one rapper wit more than 37 releases.. there's not even that many posthumous 2pac-releases, lol...
the hollywood-gang of the hiphop-world - Ice Cube and LL Cool J. Snoop's been in more mainstream tv-shows and movies than both of them combined..

global recognition...
this sums up and ends this whole debate...
the first rappers that comes to mind when you're speaking about rappers overseas - is Eminem, 50 cent and Snoop.. not friggin Jay-Z (Rihanna is bigger than Jay-Z globally), Ice Cube or LL Cool J..
that's acchievement - a household name overseas, and there's three of 'em if you generalise - and Snoop comes out the winner, cus he maintained the superstar-dom since day one for 17 years straight, never disappeared or fell off. Em and 50 struggled for many years before they blew up, and Em also disappeard for almost 6 years during his career.
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Re: the most perfect career in Hiphop?
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2010, 01:30:04 PM »
Rapsodie
dude, serioulsy. in every thread that u pop up in, u always give out the impression that ur either desillusioned or just stupid. how can i debate wit a person who confuses music with lyrics?
LL got more plaques? in what dimension..? planet "Not-True"? as a matter of fact, Snoops first album sold more than LL's first 2 albums (LL's biggest albums to date) combined...
 ima give u 24 hours to study, cuz right now ur embarassing urself..
how the hell can u compare LL wit Snoop's career, and think that LL's career is more succsful? dude, there's even a saying alot of rappers used before called - "makin a comeback like LL Cool J".. heard of it before.. aparently not. lmao
LL's been around since 85, but he fell off n disappeard millions of times. just like Ice Cube.. there were times when they weren't active, wit either music and movies.. none of em comes close wit Snoops career..
how can u say Snoop isn't relevant? seriosuly?
are u blind or just not keepin up wit the times?.. when's the last time, an artist reached out to Cube and LL, for an attention-seeking 16-bar guestappearnce? how many faetures? ummmm.. let's see.. what's a more succesfull marketing-aproach from a recordlabel-standpoint, to feature a verse from og Cube or og LL on ur single - or a verse by Snoop..? "oh let see, im coming out in the game - and i need a guestappearnce for my single. hey, let's call Ice Cube or LL Cool J".. lmao
Snoop was even the #1 go-to-guy for features back in the 90's, when LL and Cube were still active and relevant musically..
Snoop's done more than 700 guestappearancs in music (not solely HipHop) since he started.. world-record
now is that by chance, or maybe because he is relevant? lmao, u dumb mufucca
"oh, let's see - we're doin this tv-show right now. and we should call one of these rappers? let's call Ice Cube or LL.."
when's the last time u saw Cube or LL on Letterman or Leno (for example)? 1996?
you do the math, moron..

and i dont get this Jay-Z thing. just because duke is caked up like a muffucka, yall look at it like he's the biggest succesful of all time. thats desillusional and wrong.
if that would be the case, we might as well say that Master P is the most succesful rapper of all time - cus he got waay more money than Jay-Z.
longevity without fall-offs, sustaining supesrtar-dom is the biggest accomplishment of all, and outweighs everything else. a superstar since the first day - 17 years. no rapper has acchieved that, except this LongBeach-character. that's why Snoop holds it down, wit the best career of all time in HipHop. period..
jay-z been strugglin since 1989 when he ran wit Jaz-O n that "hawain Sophee"-single shit.. he didnt really blew up until 98 (11 years later lol) wit "Hard Knock Life" - and he dindt become a global household-name until he became the president of Def Jam, n signed Rihanna like 2 or 3 years ago. Snoop was a global (i repeat "global") superstar in 1993, and continued to be 17 years later - and at the same time been more productive than ANY other rapper, period..
no rapper has released 37 official projects (14 of them were albums). not a single one.. not even the hardest working undeground cats.
i'll wait.. who? Lil' Wayne? uhmmm... nooo Jay-Z? nooo 50 Cent? Eminem? Cube? LL (lol)? no, no, no and noo..
name one rapper wit more than 37 releases.. there's not even that many posthumous 2pac-releases, lol...
the hollywood-gang of the hiphop-world - Ice Cube and LL Cool J. Snoop's been in more mainstream tv-shows and movies than both of them combined..

global recognition...
this sums up and ends this whole debate...
the first rappers that comes to mind when you're speaking about rappers overseas - is Eminem, 50 cent and Snoop.. not friggin Jay-Z (Rihanna is bigger than Jay-Z globally), Ice Cube or LL Cool J..
that's acchievement - a household name overseas, and there's three of 'em if you generalise - and Snoop comes out the winner, cus he maintained the superstar-dom since day one for 17 years straight, never disappeared or fell off. Em and 50 struggled for many years before they blew up, and Em also disappeard for almost 6 years during his career.
Long Beach Is Active has some competition lol
 

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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2010, 02:52:28 PM »
^For real, is that guy joking? LOL.

He calls Jay out for "falling off", when Snoop Dogg hasn't made something good in almost twenty years lol.

Snoop isn't relevant, his talk show argument is retarded. He's on those show's because he's a popular name, but it's far from being relevant in Hip Hop & Jay-Z is on those shows & SNL whenever he drops something.

This guy says 37 projects, when only one of them was great & the other 36 are average with a few shades of greatness here & there.

Jay-Z sells millions every album, is the only guy from the 90's still relevant on the radio & hands down has the most ideal Hip Hop career.

Like I said, Snoop Dogg is just hanging on to things that happened 20 years ago.
 

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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2010, 03:15:28 PM »
^For real, is that guy joking? LOL.

He calls Jay out for "falling off", when Snoop Dogg hasn't made something good in almost twenty years lol.

Snoop isn't relevant, his talk show argument is retarded. He's on those show's because he's a popular name, but it's far from being relevant in Hip Hop & Jay-Z is on those shows & SNL whenever he drops something.

This guy says 37 projects, when only one of them was great & the other 36 are average with a few shades of greatness here & there.

Jay-Z sells millions every album, is the only guy from the 90's still relevant on the radio & hands down has the most ideal Hip Hop career.

Like I said, Snoop Dogg is just hanging on to things that happened 20 years ago.

idiot.. "falling-off" - im talking about from a media-perspective and a creative-perspecive.. i though that was pretty obvious?
 are u stupid?
plus, what's good is a matter of subjectiveness.. nothing is better, cause you think so..

******He's on those show's because he's a popular name********
no shit, Einstein. he's a popular name. superstar-satus, which he maintaned throughout the years. hence, the debate about the "best" career..
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2010, 03:19:24 PM »
imsohappydatmydiccsbig, you make a reasonable argument for snoop having a better overall career than camel. he has done more in the quantity sense and probably better quality at his peak too. and the worldwide name recognition is a fair point, he's probably known by more people and demographics than jay worldwide. but jay has evolved in a sense of being a business person and expanding his shit in a legitimate way. snoop's business ventures seem a bit tacky in comparison. both are rich as hell. music wise i don't care for him but jay's recent albums have been a lot more solid than some of snoop's efforts (malice in wonderland). its all very subjective and not something i care too much about at the end of the day. but others may be so bothered as to argue this point all day long.