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Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??

He's dope
13 (65%)
Pretty average
3 (15%)
He's wack
2 (10%)
Haven't heard him
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Jome

Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« on: December 22, 2002, 10:07:36 PM »
 Aight, me and S.G.V. (aka Ray Diaz, aka FOO) had a discussion some time ago, and it all boiled down to S.G.V. saying Royce is WACK, while me myself, I think he's kinda dope.

He has released "Rock City" & "Rock City 2.0" which is pretty similar, and I think a rapper with verses like these CAN'T be wack:
(Listen to the track for better judgment)

Artist: Royce Da 5'9
Album:  King of Kings 12"
Song:  King of Kings
Typed by: bootleg210@msn.com

Lemme school you..

[Chorus: sung] - in background
I wake up... and I don't know where I am..
I wake up... and I don't know where I am..
I wake up... and I..

[talking over chorus]
Yo, to all my hungry disciples
Listen (let's talk) sit still, sit still.
Sit still (blackout) listen, the hungriest.
Kings, kings, kings, sit still (the hungriest)
Listen, lemme school you for a minute.
Blackout, blackout (blackout)..

[Verse One: Royce]
An angel from the lost, spite headband, marked dead man
Innermost thoughts locked, dangling from a cross (what)
The hotter the heart, the harder - wrapped up
Crucified with my chest up, felt forsaken by the Father
Wounded rebel (oooh) in Jerusalem
Gettin picked on, and whipped by the goons of the Devil
Black man, 5 foot 9, see the dawn when he stares out
With wool hair and feet of bronze
Birdstick, a black staff with brown handle
Backtrack; my first kicks, brown sandals
In the breeze of the surgeon, surrounded by merchants
I'mmaculate birth, conceived by a virgin
Do a lot in the lyric, due to the true and not living
Pure as the white driven human inside of a spirit
Or the Cathedral, that's only a quarter illegal
Slaughter the people, all for the forces of evil
Exterior armor, transparent, non-vivid
The last grand wizard slash serial bomber
Here it is; I'm Heaven sent, livin in Hell
All-seeing eye, in hand of the pyramids and keep watchin
Out for the death while the beats knockin
Plot by the Devil in a blue dress and chief stockings
Spiritual last, equipped with physical mass
Able to think quick and bring miracles to pass
The lost wonder of dark days to breathe light in
Christ titan, cough thunder and sneeze lightning
Control the thoughts, procore, feed the gators
Sole mediator of code in the Holy War, in front of the mobs
And a storm comin in March
Locked in the physical form of the son of the God

[Chorus: sung] w/ adlibs
I wake up... and I don't know where I am..
I wake up... and I..

[Verse Two: Royce]
The true and living son of the son, thorough
Tongue swore of war, speak and slash son of a gun
When the rumors started I departed - I don't know
some old shit about me being placed in a tomb in the Garden
Listen here you lost, I was tortured and died for the cause
And got caught, disappeared from the cross
First into a lesson and learned of my return to the Earth
in the form of a perfect human specimen
The written jeweler, driven from the face of a leader
Slave of the people, in the form of a hidden ruler
Satan's descendents, put a break in what they intended
The hatred is ended - sway the other way of the sentence
Bells'll go and tell, defendants'll go to jail
Hot coal on ya trail, sinners'll go to Hell
I got a soul for sale, well;
Let's start the bidding at a tragic death
Who knows what's finna happen next?
Cousin of death, with predictions that I can promise
Gave it to Nostradamus and now he touchin the rest
The heart caller, balancing birds on my finger
Nerves of a cheetah, birthed with the urge to walk water
Foul searchin, bi-weekly, all-purpose
Talk verses in dashikis and fly turbans
Enter the scheme of things, all love
All thugs get judged by me, the king of the kings..
 

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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2002, 11:16:15 PM »
ok ill change my mind to average...thats about it tho...i gotta hear the track first tho...so until i hear the track...hes wack
 

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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2002, 12:34:48 AM »
he aint wack, just listen to Boom, that song is fire

lyrically he has much talent, he just needs more exposure and he shouldnt fuck with that Trackmasters no more,

imagine an album by him produced by DJ premier, alchemist,kanye west etc.....   str8 classic :o :o :o
 

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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2002, 01:21:58 AM »
anyone who says royce is wack shows little dedication to hip-hop...with tracks the callibre of king of kings, boom, my friend, life, all appearing on the same lp which has been getting fucked over for way too long can't be wack...as an emcee i can't see wack anywhere in royce, although he has made some decisions i wouldn't, he's made way too many dope songs to blemish his track-record, peace.
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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2002, 06:27:52 AM »
wtf? of course not.
boom=underground classic.
I ain't little but vicious, guns no misses You feel me, kisses or wishes, fore I break you up like dishes Fuck your bosses, my forces, endorses To kill all your sources y'all niggas best be cautious No losses, my fortress, is Jaguars and Porsche's Ride the OTB to check my money on the horses My horrors is flawless, my block one of the broadest Off the main attraction for them whitey ass tourists That I tosses, it scorches, with out no remorses Leave they bloody body to be found in Mount Morris
 

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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2002, 10:19:04 AM »
hes aint wack, but he aint the bomb, I would of likecd to of seen him sign to a major label and get his shit world wide recognised, but it aint guna happen any time soon!
 

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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2002, 10:33:34 AM »
He is definitely dope! Listen to Boom, Friend, King Of King, ...
He's working on his new album "Dead Or Alive"...

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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2002, 10:52:40 AM »
average, inconsistant with his lyrics,can be real good at times though.........makes me laugh tho sometimes but i dont like his flow sometimes.....got charisma but is def missing something to make him a superstar for the moment

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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2002, 10:56:29 AM »
Royce = Wack...LOL

No way, give me one reason other than he has made poor attempts for commercial tracks (which I'm not a fan of) like "You Can't Touch Me" and all his Neptunes tracks, but that alone doesn't make him wack.  The above mentioned tracks plus "I'm The King" and both sides of the Bad Meets Evil 12" are also great and show his skill.
 

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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2002, 12:25:13 PM »
Nah, he is definately not wack, in my opinion he is really dope. The two versions of his album don't really show how good he really is cause they are riddled with too many attempts at commercial tracks. "Boom" is an absolute classic song, as is "I'm The King". He was really dope on the Bad vs Evil tracks, and most of his guest appearance have been really good too.

Hopefully he will stop all this commercial bullshit on his next album and get Primo, Alchemist and co to do the production. If he does then I think he will drop a straight classic.

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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2002, 03:26:57 PM »
i never liked anything from royce...hes always been too cocky for me...callin himself detroits king and shit...lmao...rock city was so so...nothin special to me...i just think its funny that he tries to clown d-12...when proof would rip him...
 

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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2002, 04:14:07 PM »
yo everyone go check up on the interview hiphopsite.com did with royce, real new.........shits dope

even the groupies gotta admit, that if wat royce said about eminem being like that is true, it aint a good move

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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2002, 07:58:24 PM »
ok ill change my mind to average...thats about it tho...i gotta hear the track first tho...so until i hear the track...hes wack

 

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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2002, 09:45:57 PM »
that fools alrite nothin special :-\
 

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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2002, 11:24:39 PM »
Dont argue with SGV...It's not even worth it...PeAce
 

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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2002, 11:38:15 PM »
Ask alot of the people on what I said about him...I said he was straight wack after I heard Rock City, but just listem to "King of Kings" and "Boom" and youll see how dope an mc he is! ;)


This album recieved 3 Mics in the Source.....BS
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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2002, 12:39:43 AM »
Dont argue with SGV...It's not even worth it...PeAce
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Ask alot of the people on what I said about him...I said he was straight wack after I heard Rock City, but just listem to "King of Kings" and "Boom" and youll see how dope an mc he is! ;)
ill take u advice n listen to em...only if jome would hook me up with the damn songs  >:(
 

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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2002, 04:36:24 AM »
I wouldn't call him wack, but he isn't anything special.  You can use all the metaphors and complicate rhymes you want, but if the flow and beatz are there, you going to have trouble gettin fans.  How much Rock City sell?  15,000?  Can't believe he had the nerve to diss EM.  Best tracks were done with Em too.  
 

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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2002, 10:29:15 AM »
Damn I cant believe yall....listen to his underground shit!! its insane, most of his tracks he does with eminem, he embarasses em and outshines him...listen to "renegades" OG and see how tight his flow and his verses are!! crazy style


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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2002, 12:51:30 PM »
^^^ive heard alot of his underground includin some of those jams with em...and i still think hes wack...i just havent heard that king of kings track or boom...
 

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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2002, 04:42:13 PM »
That fool is cocky as hell..and I'd say his failed attempts at going mainstream DO make him wack. I'll admit he gots skills as an emcee but what good is that gonna do if he keeps makin garbage ass music. I peeped him a lil before he nearly blew up.. on this track called "Nickel Nine"... I thought that song was pretty dope.



Reminds me of this rappers named HOM... them fools sound alot alike. It's funny to me tha way Royce's carreer is going though... LOL... even Em dont wanna fuck with that fool nomore...



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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2002, 01:09:49 AM »
That fool is cocky as hell..and I'd say his failed attempts at going mainstream DO make him wack. I'll admit he gots skills as an emcee but what good is that gonna do if he keeps makin garbage ass music. I peeped him a lil before he nearly blew up.. on this track called "Nickel Nine"... I thought that song was pretty dope.



Reminds me of this rappers named HOM... them fools sound alot alike. It's funny to me tha way Royce's carreer is going though... LOL... even Em dont wanna fuck with that fool nomore...
thank u...and now...ive listened to king of kings and boom...king of kings was aight...boom was only good cuz of that bangin ass premo beat...but royce cant rock that beat like supernat can...thats for damn sure...
 

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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2002, 09:30:50 AM »
...boom was only good cuz of that bangin ass premo beat...

 :o

That fool is cocky as hell..and I'd say his failed attempts at going mainstream DO make him wack. I'll admit he gots skills as an emcee but what good is that gonna do if he keeps makin garbage ass music. I peeped him a lil before he nearly blew up.. on this track called "Nickel Nine"... I thought that song was pretty dope.

No one wants to hear those Royce/Neptunes tracks or songs like "U Can't Touch Me" but if you haven't peeped the rest of his album you should cause the rest are tracks like "Nickel Nine".  "Life", "Solider's Story", "Take His Life"  and the aftermentioned "Boom" & "King of Kings" are all bangers.  Also, are Nas or Ras Kass wack for thier commercial attempts?


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« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2002, 11:43:21 AM »
^^^Nas' first commercial attempts were horrible...at least now its a lil more natural now...as for ras...his attempts were not that great either...back it up was coo nothin lyical about it tho...thats really his most commercial track...but like royce he shouldnt try to make...he should let it happen...
 

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Re:Royce 5'9 - Wack or not ??
« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2002, 04:23:04 PM »
i only like Boom.. but thats becuz Premier threw one of his best beats right there...

59 is a talent.. he do got good rhymes.. but i just dont like him