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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2010, 12:39:24 PM »


One of the worst threads i have seen. I understand u not liking a track but calling it wack is ludicrous.
oh come on, it's not that bad.
i give props to UCC, as he's not scared to express his opinion( even though i don't agree with everything)
some posters on here always act so sensitive when it comes to their favourite artists/songs

Your right that was an overreaction. People need to realise the difference in not liking a track and it being "wack". I dont like rock music for example but because i dont like it doesnt mean its all "wack"


There is nothing on The Chronic and 2001 that is below average but i can understand why people wont like some of the tracks.
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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2010, 12:44:20 PM »
I'm not TOO worried about Detox having a so-so song on it at this point, because I think lots of classic albums Dre has been involved in have had
their fair share of just ok, or even wack tracks.
I think it's wrong to assume that Detox will have nothing but classics, because I think Doggystyle is the only album he's produced with no weak tracks...

Here's the tracks I think were wack or just aight on classic albums he had a hand in (off the top of my head) -

Straight Outta Compton -
"Something 2 Dance 2" - pretty wack

Eazy-Duz-It
Some not so great tracks on here

Efil4zaggin -
There's a bunch of just ok tracks on this, with pretty dope beats, but not stand-outs, kinda a lot of filler

No One Can Do It Better -
Some kinda corny stuff on here, but of course amazing stuff as well

100 Miles and Runnin -
The title track is great, the others are just ok, imo

The Chronic -
"A Nigga With a Gun" and "Rat-a-tat-tat" - I do love these tracks now, but they took a long time to get into for me
"Stranded on Death Row" - dope as a posse cut, but the beat isn't as good as some of the others

Murder Was the Case -
"Harvest for the World" - pretty wack

2001 -
"Big Egos", "Light Speed", "Bitch Niggaz", "Murder Ink", "Some L.A. Niggaz", "Ackrite" - just ok, some of those are filler to me
"Let's Get High" - wack



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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2010, 12:49:28 PM »
tbh i don't think it's possible for an album to be flawless, as opinion can vary so much
 

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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #53 on: November 21, 2010, 12:50:48 PM »
a nigga wit a gun and rat a tat tat.......
when first read this thread I thought he was saying those were the best songs on the chronic and that is what i agreed with......

How into Hip-Hop were you when the Chronic dropped?

One of the main problems people had with Nigga With A Gun was the samples it used - the chorus and bassline.
Beastie Boys had used the exact same bassline sample on their single "Pass The Mic" like 6 months before the Chronic dropped, as one of the main elements, so it kinda took away its freshness.
Also, the chorus sample had been knocking around for a while, Big Daddy Kane used it on "Mister Cee's Master Plan" from 1988. It felt a bit generic compared to the
other tracks, so did Rat-A-Tat-Tat.

Lots of people have said the second half of The Chronic isn't as good as the first half -
Allmusic review: "and if The Chronic has a flaw, it's that Snoop's relative absence from the second half slows the momentum"

I love those two tracks, don't get it twisted, but the rest of the Chronic was very fresh, and those two tracks sounded like older NWA, Efil4zaggin tracks
They're still doper than pretty much everything today, but in context...
 

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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #54 on: November 21, 2010, 12:52:41 PM »
i give props to UCC, as he's not scared to express his opinion( even though i don't agree with everything)
some posters on here always act so sensitive when it comes to their favourite artists/songs

Thanks yo
The funny thing is, the whole point of the thread wasn't to diss Dre, as everyone seems to be misreading it as,
I don't even expect everyone to agree on which particular tracks were the filler ones, or which albums have filler tracks...

It was just to point out that some of Dre's best work is amazing and classic even with tracks that aren't all that,
so one so-so track for Detox (Kush) doesn't mean the album is ruined, because there are albums that have weak tracks that are still classics

you're welcome.

yeah i understood your intentions immediately, but some clearly judge a book by it's cover.
sure, you could have picked a different title, but it wouldn't solve the fact that some don't bother to read properly.



One of the worst threads i have seen. I understand u not liking a track but calling it wack is ludicrous.
oh come on, it's not that bad.
i give props to UCC, as he's not scared to express his opinion( even though i don't agree with everything)
some posters on here always act so sensitive when it comes to their favourite artists/songs

Your right that was an overreaction. People need to realise the difference in not liking a track and it being "wack". I dont like rock music for example but because i dont like it doesnt mean its all "wack"


There is nothing on The Chronic and 2001 that is below average but i can understand why people wont like some of the tracks.
good point, but i think that's just UCC's way of stating that he dislikes certain songs


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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #55 on: November 21, 2010, 03:02:02 PM »
People need to realise the difference in not liking a track and it being "wack". I dont like rock music for example but because i dont like it doesnt mean its all "wack"

There is nothing on The Chronic and 2001 that is below average but i can understand why people wont like some of the tracks.


Right. That's like saying De La Souls '3 Feet High And Rising' isn't a classic because the skits are wack (because you don't like skits on albums).

Personal taste and musical appreciation are 2 different things.
 

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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #56 on: November 21, 2010, 03:35:10 PM »
"Stranded on Death Row" if ya don't give this song 10/10 ya don't love westcoast gangsta rap!
 

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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #57 on: November 21, 2010, 09:49:11 PM »
Hahah automatic thread fail for bringing up The Chronic and 2001. I was under the impression those albums were loved because of their consistency.

Hahah automatic comment fail for not knowing that 2001 was criticized in many reviews for being overly long (Master P albums around that time started that trend of filling the entire CD with as many tracks as would fit) and so having a bunch of filler tracks



No actually it wasn't. If anything it was criticized in some reviews for the lyrical content. Thread fail since no one agrees with you. You may have had a point if you had stuck to Dre's earliest work.

Also I disagree with your idea of what filler is. Every album has some songs that are stronger than others. That's the whole point of singles. Good songs are not fillers. Fillers are songs that you could do without listening to. But a lot of the songs you mentioned are songs that are loved by people. You apparently dislike some Dre songs that are classic to the rest of us.

last time i checked, you stated that 2001 was overrated  :P

Its one of my favorite albums. But I appreciate it for what it is. Gangsta pop. Some people were complaining about Kush not being a lyrical masterpiece and forgetting that Dre albums are never about being lyrical. Lyrically overrated? Without a doubt considering some of the comments people were making. I don't try to hype my favorite albums up as something they're not.
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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #58 on: November 21, 2010, 09:50:09 PM »


One of the worst threads i have seen. I understand u not liking a track but calling it wack is ludicrous.
oh come on, it's not that bad.
i give props to UCC, as he's not scared to express his opinion( even though i don't agree with everything)
some posters on here always act so sensitive when it comes to their favourite artists/songs

Your right that was an overreaction. People need to realise the difference in not liking a track and it being "wack". I dont like rock music for example but because i dont like it doesnt mean its all "wack"


There is nothing on The Chronic and 2001 that is below average but i can understand why people wont like some of the tracks.

Its not an overreaction considering the thread is titled "wack Dre tracks on classic albums." None of those songs should have been mentioned.
 

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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #59 on: November 22, 2010, 03:29:35 AM »
People need to realise the difference in not liking a track and it being "wack". I dont like rock music for example but because i dont like it doesnt mean its all "wack"

There is nothing on The Chronic and 2001 that is below average but i can understand why people wont like some of the tracks.


Right. That's like saying De La Souls '3 Feet High And Rising' isn't a classic because the skits are wack (because you don't like skits on albums).

Personal taste and musical appreciation are 2 different things.
last time i checked, UCC appreciates Dre's music & like a lot of it.
he's actually optimistic about Detox (had to repeat it)

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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #60 on: November 22, 2010, 03:48:14 AM »
I think it all comes down to taste.personally I like every joint mentioned in the first post (minus something to dance to) but like it was said many times already, it's not that implausible for a person to dislike them

I can make the exact same thread (preferably at an east coast oriented forum) about RZA's work on the classic wu albums and I would be majorly shitted on with just a few heads appreciating my words not as hatered but just as a personal statement of me not digging RZA's style that much, which is not to discredit it any way the amazing producer he is
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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #61 on: November 22, 2010, 09:55:26 AM »
Actually 2001 was criticised at the time for being sliightly too long were the first half was considered amazing/groundbreaking shit full of classic joints and the second half kinda slipped up.

Def a classic album, though there were some tracks in the latter half which were not as strong but still an amazing album and a classic...just there have been better classics around.
 

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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #62 on: November 22, 2010, 10:04:44 AM »
I dunno why everyone hates on Light Speed; it's one of the best beats on 2001.
 

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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #63 on: November 22, 2010, 10:51:43 AM »
I banged 2001 end to end today and it's still a 10/10 album.

I would say half of the tracks are real west coast classics, and some of them are classic songs of any genere. While not every single track is a classic, its not to say it's still not a brilliant album. The tone is mixed, many are obviously radio tracks and you could argue that makes them a bit thin compared to the really masterful tracks on the album (Big Ego's, Bitch Niggaz, Some L.A. Niggaz) having said that some of the radio tracks are some of the best music ever to chart (Forgot About Dre - I don't know a single person under 35 who wouldn't know the song).

The album sounds as fresh today as when it first dropped. I will be critical and say the harder tracks spoil the tone/enjoyment for me a bit (that's my taste though) I'm talking about the brilliant Car Bomb/Murder Ink - yes brilliant but sometimes I'm not it the mood for that suff ;D

I also still hate the misogynistic 'Ed-Ucation' skit, but oddly I'm cool with Kurupt shouting eat a dick etc 8) 8) 8)


2001 may not fit into everyones idea of a perfect album, or to their individual taste, but I'm giving it a 10/10 score. If I had to knock it down for the bits I don't like it'd still be a 9.95/10 or something. It's simply not what I'd class a 9.5/10 album as being.

Btw the misconception that the second half is weak is just ridiculous - tracks of equal greatness at both ends people. 8) 8) 8)
 

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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #64 on: November 22, 2010, 11:51:17 AM »
I dunno why everyone hates on Light Speed; it's one of the best beats on 2001.

I love it! That synth  :o
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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #65 on: November 22, 2010, 11:59:36 AM »
I dunno why everyone hates on Light Speed; it's one of the best beats on 2001.
i disagree, but it's alright

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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #66 on: November 23, 2010, 12:53:07 AM »
I dunno why everyone hates on Light Speed; it's one of the best beats on 2001.
i disagree, but it's alright

Only alright? Damn one of my favourite dre tracks for real
 

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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #67 on: November 23, 2010, 01:03:41 AM »
epic fail. Stranded on death row is a fucking classic homie. Here's my dre fail list "off top of head"

The firm, everything involved
Still D.R.E.
JJ Fad's CD - yes he produced the whole thing
My Name Is - this beat is so awful I bet the CIA can torture al queda lock them in a room, put this on a loop, and they'll spill the beans on anything in 2 days.
N.W.A. 100 miles and runnin - hate the entire cd
Various Artists: Eastcoast/Westcoast Killa on aftermath cd
The shit he produced on the wash soundtrack, awful
 

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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #68 on: November 23, 2010, 03:39:03 AM »
I dunno why everyone hates on Light Speed; it's one of the best beats on 2001.
i disagree, but it's alright

Only alright? Damn one of my favourite dre tracks for real
yeah, 2001 has better stuff

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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2010, 04:22:03 AM »
epic fail. Stranded on death row is a fucking classic homie. Here's my dre fail list "off top of head"

The firm, everything involved
Still D.R.E.
N.W.A. 100 miles and runnin - hate the entire cd
Various Artists: Eastcoast/Westcoast Killa on aftermath cd
The shit he produced on the wash soundtrack, awful


are you crazy?? this has to be more of an "epic fail" than the original post
 

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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #70 on: November 23, 2010, 04:34:52 AM »
Everyone agrees that there are some tracks on Dre-produced albums which are not that great.

However, nobody can agree on which tracks they are; for everyone who calls a track 'wack', there's somebody else calling it 'classic'.
 

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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #71 on: November 23, 2010, 11:11:26 AM »
Everyone agrees that there are some tracks on Dre-produced albums which are not that great.

However, nobody can agree on which tracks they are; for everyone who calls a track 'wack', there's somebody else calling it 'classic'.
yeah i guess that's good news for Dre.


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Re: Wack Dre tracks on classic albums
« Reply #72 on: November 24, 2010, 05:00:08 AM »
Anybody who thinks "Let's get high" is wack has NEVER partied in L.A. I never loved it or thought it was too dope til I heard it at a 212 party in High School....it goes way harder in the club