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^I can see an argument for delivery and flow. Even though I don't agree, the average fan would say he doesn't have the best of either of those.But Budden strives in the rest of those categories.I mean, if you're not a fan of his music, you wouldn't agree to him making good albums, but people who are the slightest fans of him would say Mood Muzik III, Mood Muzik IV, Halfway House & Padded Room are "good" albums.& Tech has his great albums, but plenty of people, including major fans of his music said "K.O.D." had it's moments, but had plenty of filler.So I'd say flow & delivery are what Tech has on Budden & the rest depends on your personal opinion.
Quote from: Jimmy H. on December 12, 2010, 09:52:38 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on December 12, 2010, 08:15:08 PMI'm not following how touring plays into work ethic.I mean, touring is pleasing your fans by rapping your best songs for them live. You're not getting better at your craft by touring, just getting money & showing your fans love. And I think this is a fairly common perception, not helped by the state of many live shows. A lot of these rappers do go out and karaoke their way through their best songs and give the city there in a cheap pop and fall back after 30-45 minutes. Maybe an hour if they are headlining. The simple act of touring is not honing your craft but I'd argue that neither is simply dropping a lot of albums and mixtapes without building on anything. Quote from: imsohappydatmydiccsbig on December 12, 2010, 08:06:32 PMargumetn is -- Tech N9ne better work ethic than everybpodye else? no, definitely not..touring is work-ethic, but not necsserialy what u should weigh and value as "more" or "more important", than the other creative aspects of an artist and its job..most of the other artist i mentioned, contributes constructively and creatively in various crafts in entertainment -- combine that wit strict touring.. thats "work-ethic"..people tend to look at Tech N9ne and his touring acchievements, and call him the "hardest working artist" It's not about touring acheivments. It's about the quality of the live shows he puts on and the clear amount of hard work required by himself and the artists in his circle to put on such shows. I've seen a number of the artists you mentioned live and while they all did great, I'd say Tech blew them all away. His sets are usually considerably longer than most and given the fact that he has next to no national crossover hits, he's doing it all with live performance as opposed to song familairty. your obvioulsy talkin from a subjective standpoint.no show is better (objectively) than another show, cus u say/think so..but i guess its logic, for Tech N9ne-fans to like Tech N9ne-shows... just like Slipknot-fans like Slipknot-performances..or how Britnery Spears-fans prefer Britney-shows..****The simple act of touring is not honing your craft but I'd argue that neither is simply dropping a lot of albums and mixtapes without building on anything.***** dropping 2 mixtapes, 1 album, 1 compilation every year - plus touring the country.. maybe some more stuff besides that - movies etc.. (E-40, Daz, Snoop etc etc etc)thats bigger work-ethic than... ---------simply touring the country and dropping one album every 2 years.. (Tech N9ne)
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on December 12, 2010, 08:15:08 PMI'm not following how touring plays into work ethic.I mean, touring is pleasing your fans by rapping your best songs for them live. You're not getting better at your craft by touring, just getting money & showing your fans love. And I think this is a fairly common perception, not helped by the state of many live shows. A lot of these rappers do go out and karaoke their way through their best songs and give the city there in a cheap pop and fall back after 30-45 minutes. Maybe an hour if they are headlining. The simple act of touring is not honing your craft but I'd argue that neither is simply dropping a lot of albums and mixtapes without building on anything. Quote from: imsohappydatmydiccsbig on December 12, 2010, 08:06:32 PMargumetn is -- Tech N9ne better work ethic than everybpodye else? no, definitely not..touring is work-ethic, but not necsserialy what u should weigh and value as "more" or "more important", than the other creative aspects of an artist and its job..most of the other artist i mentioned, contributes constructively and creatively in various crafts in entertainment -- combine that wit strict touring.. thats "work-ethic"..people tend to look at Tech N9ne and his touring acchievements, and call him the "hardest working artist" It's not about touring acheivments. It's about the quality of the live shows he puts on and the clear amount of hard work required by himself and the artists in his circle to put on such shows. I've seen a number of the artists you mentioned live and while they all did great, I'd say Tech blew them all away. His sets are usually considerably longer than most and given the fact that he has next to no national crossover hits, he's doing it all with live performance as opposed to song familairty.
I'm not following how touring plays into work ethic.I mean, touring is pleasing your fans by rapping your best songs for them live. You're not getting better at your craft by touring, just getting money & showing your fans love.
argumetn is -- Tech N9ne better work ethic than everybpodye else? no, definitely not..touring is work-ethic, but not necsserialy what u should weigh and value as "more" or "more important", than the other creative aspects of an artist and its job..most of the other artist i mentioned, contributes constructively and creatively in various crafts in entertainment -- combine that wit strict touring.. thats "work-ethic"..people tend to look at Tech N9ne and his touring acchievements, and call him the "hardest working artist"
^^all that and still never heard of him!
I could go on forever about this and that, how they ruled the billboard charts, indy charts, and all that this year, with no video or radio play, but im just gonna leave it at ICP is very successful and therefore by definition, for being successful for song long, they have longevity, relativity cuz their album with 4 on billboard 200 last year, rereleased it in 2010 and it went at number 50. Number 1 on indy charts first time around. 20 years plus and still goin strong, who's been as relevant for long in hip hop? Too short? Ice T? Cube? Who? Sure list isnt long
I dont have to read all the hate, just take the last message.they arent hip hop? why are they listed as such. Why do artists like mack 10, bone thugs, three six mafia, Ice T, yadda yadda make songs with them? Why would dayton family sign to a label that ISNT hip hop? You dont even know about ICP but you claim so cuz your listin off shit like u know Joe & joey but you really dont know shit.=
I dont have to read all the hate, just take the last message.they arent hip hop? why are they listed as such. Why do artists like mack 10, bone thugs, three six mafia, Ice T, yadda yadda make songs with them? Why would dayton family sign to a label that ISNT hip hop? You dont even know about ICP but you claim so cuz your listin off shit like u know Joe & joey but you really dont know shit.havent dominated the billboard lately you say? I think debuting at number 4 on the billboard 200 and number 1 on the indy charts is pretty fuckin big time, especially considering the lack of sales in general these days. Especially considering no video play no radio play. Thats like what N.W.A. did in the 80's. Not too many bands or artists can say they done that shit. Run it. Then they rerelease the album 6 months or so after that, with a few new tracks, and on a new distributor. Its number 50 on billboard 200. That covers 2009 and 2010. Forget their supporting cast of artists on their label, thats good enough right there. What other indy labels are so successful? Psychopathic thats who. Even if you dont consider ICP's albums "hip hop" they basically steal beats from juvenile, from whoever and put out a 15 track LP for fun usin diff rap names and doin old school gangsta rap. Its not like they tryin to sell the shit its illegal, you can only buy it at their concerts or their website. These albums however sell ALOT. Pure profit. Its even put out on a fake record label. Classic. dont have to say nothin else just look at the facts they speak for themself. They own 2 hip hop labels and their own studio. They are bigger hip hop artists than MOST in the game. First album out in 90. Thats 22 years. They have 2 movies. They own book. More merchandise than most artists will ever make. They have like 15 albums or some ridiculous shit. Last I checked 4 are gold, 3 are platinum, with one double platinum. Some artists never move that many units. Say they sell a cd for 15 bucks in a store. They make about 10 off that, way more than your avg artist on a majior label deal. people hatin on ICP is what drove ICP to the level they are at. Thats why they own they record label and studio and all that, nobody would sign them they did it themself. Really, take the music out of the equation, and ICP's story would be that of the american dream. 2 highschool dropouts that are millionaires. Who's really doin what ICP does.but really fuck all that, this thread is bout Tech a nina and his label. Fat joe is goin on bout how Tech is smart at biz, shit ICP been doin it on a bigger level and for 18 years or so longer than Tech. Not sayin I dont love strange, I give respect. Tech made his name and niche. I love tech. He needs to get some more beats off Ronz in germany tho. Tech gets radio play tho, and he's big outside of KC where ICP gets no radio play and isnt accepted everywhere like tech is.Nina and ICP made plenty of songs together. They friends, outside of the biz too. Peeps actin like juggalos are just white people or just a few thousand or white trash or whatever. Tech N9ne is a self proclaimed juggalo and was so before he got big. Even d 12 is cool with ICP now. If eminem can get over he cant make ICP go away, the haters should too. MTV wouldnt play ICP so what did ICP do? paid like 1 million for a 1 hr timeslot on mtv and ran a documentary about ICP. Fuckin classic. Run it.
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