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I don't care really, as a conservative csu-supporter I still prefer him over any politician I know.. all that fake ass "science" shit is bs anyways. it's all about prestige, many rich, influential or accomplished people get their dissertations written by someone else, it's nothing new really. it's just that guttenberg is about 100x more interesting than them.
Quote from: 7even on March 02, 2011, 02:54:45 PMI don't care really, as a conservative csu-supporter I still prefer him over any politician I know.. all that fake ass "science" shit is bs anyways. it's all about prestige, many rich, influential or accomplished people get their dissertations written by someone else, it's nothing new really. it's just that guttenberg is about 100x more interesting than them.Shit, really? So you think him being "interesting" makes up for being the blueprint of an elitist who gives two fucks about you or me? Did he do anything you'd consider to be positive? all that fake ass "science" shit is bs anyways. And what's this supposed to mean?
Quote from: Fraxxx on March 02, 2011, 04:31:36 PMQuote from: 7even on March 02, 2011, 02:54:45 PMI don't care really, as a conservative csu-supporter I still prefer him over any politician I know.. all that fake ass "science" shit is bs anyways. it's all about prestige, many rich, influential or accomplished people get their dissertations written by someone else, it's nothing new really. it's just that guttenberg is about 100x more interesting than them.Shit, really? So you think him being "interesting" makes up for being the blueprint of an elitist who gives two fucks about you or me? Did he do anything you'd consider to be positive? all that fake ass "science" shit is bs anyways. And what's this supposed to mean? The point is that it is not about science at all and never was. People who pretend that dissertations like that one are somehow contributing to science and make the world a better place are blatantly fooling themselves. The Dr. title (and pretty much any Phd for that matter) exists mostly for prestige reasons, not for science. No real doctor needs a dissertation about some random ass topic to heal anyone. He needs it to get patients because doctors without one aren't taken seriously.As for politicians, most of them don't show their dissertation to the public because they know it's mostly bullshit. Maybe most of them don't blatantly buy their summa cum laude like Guttenberg did, but come on, pretty much NONE of them actually contributed anything to "science" by writing it.I also greatly prefer an elitist aristocrat over a leftist socialist, but that's just me. The thing that mainly bothers me is the fake madness of people who pretend to believe that science got a bad name now or something. To even call dissertations about inane unwordly topics "science" is ridiculous from the get-go. Many people with Dr. Dr. Prof. Prof. hc. hc. hc. didn't really write most of their later stuff themselves, but got it written by assistants. Many rich students get their dissertations written by other people. It's nothing new, nothing surprising, nothing crazy. It happens all the time and it also gets proven frequently, it's just that in Guttenberg's case the liberal media is all on his nuts, whereas with other, much less interesting people, noone cares.The whole incident is unfortunate in my point of view because Guttenberg is or was the only conservative German politician with a future. Merkel is basically a social democrat at heart, "CDU" is just her career tag. Apart from that, he can speak English unlike most of our politicians, he knows how to sell himself, looks good and talks well - he's no dull ass politically correct grey-suit wearing wussbag like most in the Kabinett Merkel II are. And yes, that DOES matter. Anywho, what he did in abandoning the Wehrpflicht and his general ambitions regarding the Bundeswehr is more than any minister of defense did in decades. It's all something leftist parties always wanted, never dared to actually do and now that a conservative does it - they bitch about it. Usual bullshit.And he might not give a shit about you and me - then again, who the hell does? Gabriel for Kanzler in 2013?
Well, everybody lies. You guys did too in the past, I'm sure. Everybody always talks about how politicians do nothing but lie, then when Guttenberg is proven to be a liar everybody acts shocked as if politicians would never lie. Let's be real, this whole incident is mainly about if you like Guttenberg/aristocratic and conservative tendacies or if you hate it all from the beginning. The press and the people would have behaved completely different if, say, Gysi, Trittin or Steinmeier were caught with a ghostwritten dissertation.Fact is this: the Süddeutsche Zeitung is a leftist liberal paper who always wanted to bring down politicians like Koch and now Guttenberg. I'm sure they had the information about the dissertation for a long time and waited for the perfect moment to release it. For a politician who's only been relatively powerful for like 3-4 years, Guttenberg has done a lot more than the average known politician.The leftist media and leftist intellectuals have always hated him, because he represents absolutely everything they loath. Aristocratic, born rich, hot wife with prominent heritage, blue blood, good looks, conservative party, arrogance, able to mobilize the masses, support for German soldiers, doesn't like criminals, etc etc.. basically anything a leftist would hate. The smear campaign against him has a lot more to do with those factors than with plagiarism in science. I personally am disappointed of course. I was pretty impressed that he did a summa cum laude dissertation while having young kids and getting into politics. I'm also disappointed by how he handled the situation - granted it was a situation that was very difficult to handle. Deep down Merkel and Seehofer are probably relieved because they were fucking afraid of his success. He had no true supporters because everybody knew that he could be the top dog very soon if it wasn't for a major scandal. Well, now they have it. Let's see where German politics go from now... either way one thing I know for sure: Merkel doesn't have a backbone, neither do politicians who aren't conservative. If Merkel or some SPD-politician is leading us through that European crisis, we gonna end up giving all our money to countries who hate us. We are also gonna keep having young foreigners beat people into a coma without anyone doing anything about it. Guttenberg was the only successful politician who would have opposed to those things, and now he's gone over a bought Dr. title. Makes me sad.