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N. Korea plays Bush like a fiddle
« on: January 06, 2003, 12:54:34 PM »
'Dear Leader' Kim knows the Americans would rather pay than fight
By ERIC MARGOLIS -- Contributing Foreign Editor

This column has warned since 1993 of the danger posed by North Korea's odious Stalinist regime and its nuclear weapons. But lately, we confess a measure of amusement, even sneaking professional admiration, for North Korea's "Dear Leader," Kim Jong-il, for playing a really mean game of Pyongyang bluff poker.

Although he resembles a hostile alien in a Japanese science fiction film, and rules over a bankrupt nation suffering mass starvation, Kim has thrown the mighty United States on the defensive, terrified his neighbours, churned up anti-American sentiment in South Korea and exposed the illogic, hypocrisy and contradictions of President George Bush's rationale for war against Iraq.

By revealing his nuclear arsenal and kicking out UN inspectors, Kim Jong-il was in effect telling Bush, "You want a war? Try one against a real opponent, not almost defenseless Iraq. We've got nukes, germs, poison gas, missiles galore and a million tough troops. Remember your 'axis of evil' tirade? Here we are, the Asian third of the axis. Come and get us."

Double standard

Clearly flustered, President Bush responded to Kim's dare by first hinting at war, then backing down and calling for negotiations - the same president who categorically refuses to negotiate anything with Iraq. Bush's embarrassing double standard over Iraq and Korea has provoked derision around the world.

Kim's defiance has two objectives.

First, capitalize on rising anti-American sentiment among young South Koreans, who do not remember how the United States and UN forces saved their nation from the murderous ferocity of the North Korean communists in 1950. South Koreans have long resented extra-territorial rights enjoyed by the 37,000 U.S. troops permanently based in their nation. The recent acquittal of American soldiers who accidentally killed two Korean schoolgirls triggered large anti-U.S. riots in Seoul and helped elect new president Roh Moo-hyuan, who broke a long-held taboo by daring to question the continued presence of American forces in Korea.

South Koreans are extremely patriotic, prickly people. Their long political and cultural humiliation by Japan has produced a national thirst for international status and esteem. Many young Koreans see their governments, past and present, as too accommodating to U.S. interests. By contrast, they regard the Stalinist regime in Pyongyang as the standard-bearer of Korean nationalism, and the force that will unify divided Korea and "liberate" it from American and Japanese influence. Koreans are delighted when they watch the hated Japanese quail in fear before the threat of Kim's missiles, about 200 of which are targeted on Japan and U.S. bases there.

Kim's second objective is to extort money from the U.S., South Korea and Japan by using his nuclear weapons as bargaining chips. According to Pentagon estimates, a war against North Korea will require 650,000 U.S. troops and could cost 250,000 American casualties.
"One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. "Which road do I take?" she asked. "Where do you want to go?" was his response. "I don't know," Alice answered. "Then," said the cat, "it doesn't matter."

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Re:N. Korea plays Bush like a fiddle
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2003, 12:55:17 PM »
Kim knows the Americans would rather pay than fight. Since the Vietnam debacle, the U.S. has warred only against small nations with little or no ability to defend themselves: Grenada, Panama, Libya, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan. "Dear Leader" Kim chose his time well, knowing that U.S. claims it can fight both Iraq and North Korea at the same time are exaggerated. If Bush persists in his obsession to invade Iraq, he will likely have to secretly buy off dangerous North Korea.

As for nervous South Koreans, they fear the Bush administration's so far inept, confused handling of the crisis might spark a war in which South Korea would suffer enormously. U.S. threats to attack North Korea's nuclear installations, Pyongyang has made clear, will result in a massive conventional, chemical and even nuclear bombardment of the South Korean capital, Seoul, home of 10.3 million people.

Not surprisingly, South Korea urges patient negotiations and caution.

Japan is watching with dismay and trepidation, furious at North Korea for past kidnappings of Japanese students, but fearful of provoking North Korea which, many Japanese believe, would gleefully exact nuclear revenge on Japan. Tokyo is quite happy with the status quo of a divided Korea. A united Korea would challenge Japan for primacy in North Asia and present a major military and industrial threat. Behind closed doors, Japanese defence officials are urging the crash construction of an anti-missile system and even production of nuclear weapons. Japan could fabricate about a dozen nuclear weapons in less than three months.

A big brother

China just denounced Bush's menaces against North Korea as "hawkish and dangerous." Historically, China is big brother to Korea, but has always respected Korean independence. When the great Japanese warlord, Hideyoshi, ordered his Samurai armies to invade Korea in 1592, China sent armies across the Yalu River that helped drive the Japanese from the peninsula. In a remarkably similar campaign, Chinese armies again went into Korea in late 1950, this time to fight the Americans.

Beijing views North Korea as an ally and buffer against Japan and the U.S. China has made clear it will support Kim Jong-il, though urging him to restrain his nuclear gasconading. Any major U.S. attack on North Korea could mean war with China. Russia also supports North Korea.

The macho Bush administration, suddenly faced by a real and dangerous opponent in North Korea, clearly does not know what to do - except bomb Iraq.


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Re:N. Korea plays Bush like a fiddle
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2003, 01:23:29 PM »
He had some good points, but it's IMOSSIBLE to win with you...

you get your panties in a bunch when we attack somebody, and when we choose not to attack somebody, you don't like that either...
 

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Re:N. Korea plays Bush like a fiddle
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2003, 01:26:00 PM »
i dont think its impossible to win with me

i get upset when america attacks a nation because i feel there is no justification for it, nah mean?

i bring up Bushes stance on North Korea to compare it with his stance on Iraq, im opposed to Bush going after N Korea too....
"One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. "Which road do I take?" she asked. "Where do you want to go?" was his response. "I don't know," Alice answered. "Then," said the cat, "it doesn't matter."

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Re:N. Korea plays Bush like a fiddle
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2003, 04:19:46 PM »
could you imagine a Reunited korea??? shit..not many countries could fuck with us then....

 

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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2003, 04:45:16 PM »
yeah... bush is a pussy
 

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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2003, 07:16:13 PM »
I was talking to a friend of mine who's in the English army. He said they've been told that US and the UK won't start any war with North Korea because basically they know they'd get fucked up. Iraq on the other hand they know they can beat relatively easily.

Hmm whats that old saying. Oh yea... Pick on someone your own size?
 

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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2003, 07:45:24 PM »
US and the UK won't start any war with North Korea because basically they know they'd get fucked up.

I'm not too sure about that statement.
 

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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2003, 08:12:16 PM »
Me either, but that's just what I was told. Fact is they're not preparing to fight N. Korea, at least not right now.
 

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Re:N. Korea plays Bush like a fiddle
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2003, 08:50:18 PM »
i don't think we'd get fucked up...as in lose the war


since vietnam we don't want to see another draft (even though i would't mind going) where 18 year old kids go to get killed and don't have a chance to live their lives, everyone here is pretty much like an overprotective parent when it comes to shit like that


we'd win the war, but we don't like the fact that we'd have to have people , rather , OUR people die.....


so i guess that statement was meant in context to yeah we'd win but at a fucked up cost


EX. yeah you can have 5 bucks but you gotta tounge kiss your sister


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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2003, 09:33:17 PM »
i don't think we'd get fucked up...as in lose the war


since vietnam we don't want to see another draft (even though i would't mind going) where 18 year old kids go to get killed and don't have a chance to live their lives, everyone here is pretty much like an overprotective parent when it comes to shit like that


we'd win the war, but we don't like the fact that we'd have to have people , rather , OUR people die.....


so i guess that statement was meant in context to yeah we'd win but at a fucked up cost


EX. yeah you can have 5 bucks but you gotta tounge kiss your sister

why are you so damn arrogant??? you make it sound like it would be a cakewalk to win the war against north korea if there was one...kid....
 

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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2003, 09:54:41 PM »
whatever, your only attacking me becuase you caugt feelings during a Kobe bryant argument,lol


plus i think either tech and infinate said we could win easily over N korea, in one ofthe "bush is going to attack iraq and n korea at same time thread"


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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2003, 09:58:33 PM »
whatever, your only attacking me becuase you caugt feelings during a Kobe bryant argument,lol


plus i think either tech and infinate said we could win easily over N korea, in one ofthe "bush is going to attack iraq and n korea at same time thread"


umm..NO..you're the one who couldn't respond so had to call me a 'chink' cuz of your insecurities..

like i was saying....when theres a war..you never know
 

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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2003, 10:03:54 PM »
lol @ i couldn't respond, i made a whole epic post defending my case,all you did was say the same thing over again and twist facts




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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2003, 10:05:24 PM »
lol @ i couldn't respond, i made a whole epic post defending my case,all you did was say the same thing over again and twist facts




i guess you must be blind....if youre defending your case, you shouldn't have to resort to racism over a basketball argument don't you think??? now that my friend, is pure ignorance....
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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2003, 10:27:33 PM »
LMAO@ this dude not being able to see irony......hopefully the british homies will see where i was going with that/this,lol


i justfind it so funny, truely , that a couple of people before me said wecan beat N korea,but you attack me cuz you caught feelings during a Michael Jordan thread

also i find it hilarious that you can admit what you did on Dre 2001, and get pinced about being called a 'chink' which was done in irony....lol

dude your funny


anyways i wanna respect Tech's thread and get back to the subject at hand

::ignores dude on yet ANOTHER thread::


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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2003, 10:39:57 PM »
LMAO@ this dude not being able to see irony......hopefully the british homies will see where i was going with that/this,lol


i justfind it so funny, truely , that a couple of people before me said wecan beat N korea,but you attack me cuz you caught feelings during a Michael Jordan thread

also i find it hilarious that you can admit what you did on Dre 2001, and get pinced about being called a 'chink' which was done in irony....lol

dude your funny


anyways i wanna respect Tech's thread and get back to the subject at hand

::ignores dude on yet ANOTHER thread::

i truly love this guy ::)

actually youre the only one in this thread (to a lesser extinct c2knuckles but he was respectable, you came off very arrogant) who said US can beat north korea...so i asked you a question without any disrespect...after all this is a message board...you really are blind..

and i truely believe you're the one who caught feeling when over a basketball argument you refered to me as a racial slur when we were having a great discussion....and then used that as an excuse for what i've done(jokingly) over 2 and half years ago...now that my friend..isn't irony...but is a sad egotistic fuck who could not stand losing an argument so had to throw cheap insults to satisfy their insecurities...after all..youre the one who keeps on bringing it back up in a WHOLE DIFFERENT thread..lmao

now lets get back to the subject at hand *apologize to tech*
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2003, 11:01:26 PM »
aham, another target America would'nt be able to get.

Recently Pakistan is the main target of America. Bekaz, they need a strong base in Asia for their oil, America has been using Pakistan's 4 air force bases, without them bases America would be loosing like a kid. Recently Pakistan received a threat from Mr. BUBUSH, that pakistan is invloved in terrorist activites in supporting Afghanistan, but the outcome of this threat is, China stepped in and spoke for Pakistan's defense, I dont kno the exact quotes, somwhere in the Toronto Star, it said the president of China said that any attacks on Pakistan would be considered as attacks on China,  :o whts goanin...
It means North Korea and China are leading Asia rite now, and America's main target, Pakistan, (for Oil transport and air bases) is getting out of America's hand, I mean whts going on, all of a sudden theyve all ganged up on U.S.A, and it pretty much means in sometime they will take action on Afghanistan and try to rush them Americans out of Afghanistan.
thts the latest news, when I read more ill keep ya'll updated.
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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2003, 09:11:16 AM »
Why dont America leave shit alone...I will move to Canada before going to war...Shit i would draft dodge..Leas i would have a life after that.
 

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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2003, 09:24:15 AM »
LOL at the new generation of Americans now not having the impact of vietnam on their generation... ya'll think your untouchable.. this is real world not movies kids. talk shit to the wrong people and you'll get fucked up. dont fuck wit china. best believe altho the UK has interests where iraq are concerned (most likely due to BP getting in there and security for its interests in kuwait)  you can best believe they aint steppin anywhere near korea.

ya'll are in a recession, massive umemployment, social problems etc.. quick solution?

go to war and kill a generation to stop growth. you wont be so happy when u get drafted up to be used as cannon fodder.
 

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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2003, 09:46:06 AM »
Can America defeat the North Koreans in war? No doubt
Will it be a cakewalk? Hell Muthafuckin No

See, America can easily bombard North Korean cities and its nuclear reactors within the first week of war, but heres the problem.

200 Nuclear missles aimed at Seoul, Japan and the US Bases in both countries, home to about 35,000 Yankee troops. If the United States is thinking of regime change, and an invasion, the casualties would be enormous.
Im talkin easily, 100,000 Deaths.

Thats the problem, yes the Americans can defeat the North Koreans, especially if they were to go to war now
because North Korea would only be able to retialate against American bases and allies in the region.

However, if the Americans wait a few years (5 or so) los angeles is in North Koreas sight.
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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2003, 09:51:01 AM »
so it actual answer is no they cant...  ::)
 

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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2003, 11:15:36 AM »
i dont think its impossible to win with me

i get upset when america attacks a nation because i feel there is no justification for it, nah mean?

i bring up Bushes stance on North Korea to compare it with his stance on Iraq, im opposed to Bush going after N Korea too....

Thats the type of people you support? Let's see N. Korea is building nukes which they intend to point at US and Japan.  They threaten to use these either as extortion to get money, or if challenged they plan to attack innocent lives in Seoul.

Let's see now.  You oppose american standards, but supposed these?  And you call yourself a rational and intelligent mind?  Bush may be an idiot that contradicts himself frequently, but you don't see any contradictions in what you say?  

Last time I checked killing innocents is wrong.  In fact you criticize the US for doing such.  Last time I checked holding a gun to someone and saying give me your money is wrong.   In fact you criticize the US for such actions.  But coincidentally any country that is not the US is allowed to do anything and everything to harm the US.

You LIVE by the double standard.  Rational intelligence and a double standards cannot coexist.  In other words, you're an idiot.
 

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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2003, 11:21:05 AM »
LOL at the new generation of Americans now not having the impact of vietnam on their generation... ya'll think your untouchable.. this is real world not movies kids. talk shit to the wrong people and you'll get fucked up. dont fuck wit china. best believe altho the UK has interests where iraq are concerned (most likely due to BP getting in there and security for its interests in kuwait)  you can best believe they aint steppin anywhere near korea.

ya'll are in a recession, massive umemployment, social problems etc.. quick solution?

go to war and kill a generation to stop growth. you wont be so happy when u get drafted up to be used as cannon fodder.

We don't have massive unemployment, in fact we have lower unemployment then most of europe.  Do you have a job? How old are you?  How good is your job?

We are in a recession, but it only requires a elemtary knowledge of economics to understand that recessions are natural and inevitable.  They are also quite healthy at times, and have been in existance since the existance of any economy.    

We have social problems, but guess what so does europe, middle east, and asia.  We have fewer social problems then the majority of the world.  Our biggest problem is envy as displayed in your post.
 

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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2003, 11:29:13 AM »
BTW.

In case you all forgot.  Any country that uses nukes will be retaliated agaisnt with Nukes.  I'm glad you all support n. korea, the big bad asses that are gonna kick our ass with nuclear chemical and biological weapons.

Thats the moral standard I want to support.  The US will not become cannon fodder becuz as soon as N. Korea fires one nuclear warhead they will cease to exist.  As soon as they employ the use of chemical or bio weapons they will cease to exist.

There is no challenge to the US from N. Korea.  If it is a fair fight we win.  If it is a dirty fight we win.

Keep in mind though, we don't even want a fight and we never have.  They initated the fight by building nuclear weapons with the intentions of using them.  The US will use nukes in retaliation.  N. Korea will use them in attack.

But you are cheering for N. Korea?  Why? Envy.  

And yet you expect the US to give a damn about you?  You expect US citizens to care about you and your opinion?  

Dante made a good point when he said Envy, Greed, Hate, Jealousy, etc were seven deadly sins.  Look around the world and you can easily find out that they are.