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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2003, 01:35:19 PM »
All things come from Allah.  He is our reality.  So for me to deny Allah as being the center and truth of all things it would be as if I denied myself as a human being.  So Islam is the solution.  The deen, the way of life is complete, and far-reaching.  So why would I offer a solution other than Islam?

He's not my reality. Islam is not my solution. Just because it's cool for you dosen't make it cool for everybody else. You should be glad you found something you are so into, but when you type shit like this, it scares of others away from your religion. Seriously, I was checking out all major religions when I came to this board. You have single handedly turned me away from Islam. I don't have anything aginst it, but you've really turned me off of it.

if infinite is the ony reason why you're now against islam, i gotta say that you have no strong mental...

cwalker is a bitch fir real... but he's not gonna make me hate christians or be against Christanity as a religion

I have no strong mental? WRONG! All you base are belong to us!
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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2003, 09:07:38 PM »
I thought it was "All your base are belong to us" instead of "all you"... either way, it's HILARIOUS, lol thanks for the trip back.  What game was that again?  

BTW, Like Blade said earlier, bad dreams don't usally mean bad things, becuase what they DO mean, is that you're trying to DEAL with bad things.  It'd be one thing if you were just ignoring stuff, that's how people go crazy, but since you're seeing this stuff happening, you're struggling with something, which is good.  Peace~
 

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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2003, 09:35:01 PM »
Sorry my Islamic beliefs haven't been superimposed by Western Culture.  You guys think that as long as you act, think, dress, and believe a certain way you'll be alright.  Your life and way of thinking has been sold to you the same way they sell beer or toilet tissue on those TV commercials.  

Trust me, nothing I have said has prevented anyone from becoming a Muslim who had Islam in their future.  Yet, I have played a small role in helping others understand and even convert to Islam.
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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2003, 11:13:25 PM »
Sorry my Islamic beliefs haven't been superimposed by Western Culture.  You guys think that as long as you act, think, dress, and believe a certain way you'll be alright.  Your life and way of thinking has been sold to you the same way they sell beer or toilet tissue on those TV commercials.  

Trust me, nothing I have said has prevented anyone from becoming a Muslim who had Islam in their future.  Yet, I have played a small role in helping others understand and even convert to Islam.

Wrong...
I don't need a crutch to be myself. Unlike you, Im perfectly happy with who I am and don't need a religion to make myself feel alive. My way of thinking is my own. I form opinions from facts. I have free will. I do what I feel, when I feel, and however I feel like doing it. Unlike you, Im not weak minded. I don't let commercials warp my way of thinking like you did. Whats to say that now instead of commercials warping your mind, its not organized religion? I'm my own person without religion. You've told me many times that 1 billion people share your beliefs. I'm here to let you know that 4 billion don't necessarly think the same way you do. You need to understand and accept that.

I haven't seen anybody here say that you've pointed them to islam, but instead, I've seen 2 say you've turned them away.
 

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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2003, 01:28:09 AM »
god damn you ALL, my thread has been shitted on to the point where it cant even go back on the right track. every fuckin thread ends up bein the same no matter what the topic is.
 

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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2003, 03:04:31 AM »
god damn you ALL, my thread has been shitted on to the point where it cant even go back on the right track. every fuckin thread ends up bein the same no matter what the topic is.

What happened was everybody offered there opinion to your topic.  But for some reason my opinion was deemed unnacceptable so people felt they had to discuss me instead of the topic.
 

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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2003, 03:04:40 AM »
god damn you ALL, my thread has been shitted on to the point where it cant even go back on the right track. every fuckin thread ends up bein the same no matter what the topic is.

What happened was everybody offered there opinion to your topic.  But for some reason my opinion was deemed unnacceptable so people felt they had to discuss me instead of the topic.
 

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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2003, 03:07:04 AM »
Sorry my Islamic beliefs haven't been superimposed by Western Culture.  You guys think that as long as you act, think, dress, and believe a certain way you'll be alright.  Your life and way of thinking has been sold to you the same way they sell beer or toilet tissue on those TV commercials.  

Trust me, nothing I have said has prevented anyone from becoming a Muslim who had Islam in their future.  Yet, I have played a small role in helping others understand and even convert to Islam.

Wrong...
I don't need a crutch to be myself. Unlike you, Im perfectly happy with who I am and don't need a religion to make myself feel alive. My way of thinking is my own. I form opinions from facts. I have free will. I do what I feel, when I feel, and however I feel like doing it. Unlike you, Im not weak minded. I don't let commercials warp my way of thinking like you did. Whats to say that now instead of commercials warping your mind, its not organized religion? I'm my own person without religion. You've told me many times that 1 billion people share your beliefs. I'm here to let you know that 4 billion don't necessarly think the same way you do. You need to understand and accept that.

I haven't seen anybody here say that you've pointed them to islam, but instead, I've seen 2 say you've turned them away.

You make your own desicions because you believe yourself to be the wisest desicion maker.  I believe Allah to be the wisest.  
 

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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2003, 01:28:44 AM »
But if he is part of allah, you said "All things come from Allah" then his decisions are right ;)

 

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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2003, 03:44:34 AM »
But if he is part of allah, you said "All things come from Allah" then his decisions are right ;)



No, Allah is the Creator and sustainer of all things, but from a human perspective we have free will.  Allah leads astray who he pleases.
 

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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2003, 03:45:11 AM »
All things come from allah?  Didn't we aready cover this topic Infinite?  You regressed on it before, now you are going back to it.  You'll say damn near anything to win an arguement.  Doesn't allah teach you ethics morals?  

But like I said before, if all things from come from Allah all evil comes from Allah.  Allah controls all, allah controls evil.  Allah controls Doggy's sick dreams.  It's Allah's fault and he isn't gonna stop fucking with your head until you get down on your knees and beg like infinite is telling you to.

Other things that come from Allah:

1. Osama Bin Laden
2.  George Bush
3.  Cats
4.  Dogs
5.  Child Molesters
6.  Ice Cream
7.  Saddam Hussein
8.  Penises
9.  Western Culture
10. Homelessness
11. Porn Movies
12. Boogers
13. Everything Evil
14. Everything Good
15. Everything Not Yet Mentioned

So you see, since everything comes from Allah you may be evil and never know it.  In fact life is an uncertain mess.  We all came from Allah but we all aren't perfect.  Some of us are good/evil, smart/stupid, crazy/sane.  But we can never know, only Allah knows.  Doubt everything, because it all came from Allah.  If your believe in Jesus don't be so sure that's correct because your belief came from Allah.  You can't really be sure of anything really.  Do I really want to type this or is Allah making me type this?  Obviously its Allah.  Allah has no penis.  Shit now he is being a big Jerk.  Allah fucks his mother.  Damn he did it again.  Fuck Fuck Fuck Bitch Fuck.  

All things come from Allah, indeed this message I'm giving you now is coming from Allah.  Allah says go kill yourself infinite.


LMAO! FUCK MUSLIMS!!!!!

^^That came from Allah! ;D

jk anywayz, hey Infinite, what U dont realize is that most ppl dont like ybeing preached to, its hurting ur case mroe than helping it, I know U wanna be a good muslim but really hardly anyone gives a fuck , and U turn off the rest of us. So please CUT THE BULLSHIT!
 

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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2003, 11:47:36 AM »

You make your own desicions because you believe yourself to be the wisest desicion maker.  I believe Allah to be the wisest.  

When is Allah's power exercised?-  At every moment, of every day.  There is nothing that is done without the will of Allah.

Ehh?
 

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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2003, 12:29:23 PM »
I think what he is trying to say is that Allah has controlled Infinite into contradicting himself.  Allah controls our every action but gives us free will?  So we are both free and under control.

Basically, Allah "leads astray who he pleases."  With that in mind, don't get upset at Infinite for making no sense.  Instead, get upset at Allah for making infinite make no sense.
 

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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2003, 12:53:07 PM »
"Allah" doesn't lead anybody astray, LOL.  He places them on earth, and lets them lead themselves astray, we DO have free agency, you can do what you want, and I can do what I want.  I could go out and kill somebody right now if I wanted to, it's my choice to do something against my conscience, the holy ghost, which the lord has put here for all of us.  It's our choice, and he allows us to make it.  

God, BY DEFINITION, has to be the most fair, the most loving, the most of every good trait to the highest power, perfectly just, etc.  BY DEFINITION! he has to be, or he wouldn't be god, there would be something greater than him.  Since he is the greatest, then he must be the most fair.  A fair god would never intentionally lead people astray so they can burn in hell forever.  A fair god would never make people do things, or leave them as slaves to his will, man is created in God's image, and as so, we are given every opportunity he has to become all that we can be; as a slave you can never become the master.  We're not slaves to God, he gives us the choice to grow on our own, with his assistance, and to choose right, instead of wrong; positivity builds, negativity destroys.  If we continue to choose evil, we will never grow as individuals; however, if we continue to choose that which is good, as the holy ghost prompts us, then we cannot HELP but grow, and by doing so, will become more and more like god, with every decision we make.  That is our purpose, to grow, and become like him, just as that is the purpose of all children in relation to their father.  

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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2003, 05:36:41 PM »
Seriously, I'm not religious but why would anyone ever want to worship a guy that is "leading people astray?"


However, the free will arguement doesn't work quite well either.  You can't say I have free will on faith.  Free will either exists or it doesn't.  You say you have free will to kill, rape, etc and you choose not to kill.  

That's not free will, thats "freedom."  You have the freedom to willingly kill someone.  You don't necesarily have the freedom to will murder.  In your own case, you probably won't ever kill someone because you don't will killingly, but are you willingly choosing not to will killing?

If I want to kill someone I can, but I don't will to kill anyone.  Here is the difference again in other words.

Freedom is the ability to do what you will.

Free Will is the ability to will what you will.  

 
God definitely granted us freedom.  Whether humans possess free will is a much more difficult idea to prove.  
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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2003, 12:56:57 AM »
*sigh.  

Re-read my post.  Free AGENCY.  Not free will, although sometimes we say free will since to most people who aren't anally retentive it means the same thing.

We have free AGENCY.  Happy with the term now? lol
 

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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2003, 09:14:14 AM »
Seriously, I'm not religious but why would anyone ever want to worship a guy that is "leading people astray?"


However, the free will arguement doesn't work quite well either.  You can't say I have free will on faith.  Free will either exists or it doesn't.  You say you have free will to kill, rape, etc and you choose not to kill.  

That's not free will, thats "freedom."  You have the freedom to willingly kill someone.  You don't necesarily have the freedom to will murder.  In your own case, you probably won't ever kill someone because you don't will killingly, but are you willingly choosing not to will killing?

If I want to kill someone I can, but I don't will to kill anyone.  Here is the difference again in other words.

Freedom is the ability to do what you will.

Free Will is the ability to will what you will.  

 
God definitely granted us freedom.  Whether humans possess free will is a much more difficult idea to prove.  

What you have here is a man trying to tell me that he is more intelligent than the Holy Qur'an.  If you have been able to aquire such great intelligence than please bless me with your knowledge so I may follow it.  Or try to emulate your great philosophies.  

See, what you have in actuality is nothing but arrogance and it will profit you not.  And all the idealogy in the world will not convince a man that he even needs to get up off the couch.  Islam is not an idealogy; but a methodology.  So I am not at all concerned with what you have suggested in this thread.  And the truth will soon be revealed; be certain of that.
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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2003, 10:48:28 AM »
What you have here is a man trying to tell me that he is more intelligent than the Holy Qur'an.  If you have been able to aquire such great intelligence than please bless me with your knowledge so I may follow it.  Or try to emulate your great philosophies.  

See, what you have in actuality is nothing but arrogance and it will profit you not.  And all the idealogy in the world will not convince a man that he even needs to get up off the couch.  Islam is not an idealogy; but a methodology.  So I am not at all concerned with what you have suggested in this thread.  And the truth will soon be revealed; be certain of that.

What we have here is a man who can't back his beliefs up with a reasonable argument. Ant has brought up some very good questions. You have ignored them or answered them Half-wittedly.

I'm getting kind of scared with you talking about how "The truth will be revealed" and all that jazz. What does that mean? Are you going to do something drastic? If so, just realize, that killing others is a sin. You won't get 72 virgins, just a big fat lucifer(ibis for you?) dick in your ass for eternity.
 

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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2003, 06:14:53 AM »
*sigh.  

Re-read my post.  Free AGENCY.  Not free will, although sometimes we say free will since to most people who aren't anally retentive it means the same thing.

We have free AGENCY.  Happy with the term now? lol


No, because I'm not sure what you mean by free agency?
 

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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2003, 09:17:16 PM »
Well, then I'll define it as being able to make your own choices, whenever a choice is available.  There's nobody making you make a certain choice.  Things persuade you, etc. but ultimately it is up to you to decide what you want to do.  Even god doesn't make you do anything.  Some things you don't have a choice in, though.  
 

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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2003, 02:53:24 AM »
can you prove your own free agency?
 

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Re:Some weird shit yall, whats goin on
« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2003, 02:58:20 AM »
It's really a non-issue to me, LOL.  Figure it out for yourself, i'm not all caught up in evaluating whether or not god lied to me, lol.  
 

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« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2003, 06:07:23 AM »
It's not a lie is a misconception.

This arguement isn't going to be won. But for those interested in it., I'll add a final explanation of Free Agency.

The question of free agency is different than the question of free will, but it is dependent on the existence of free will.  Free agency cannot exist without free will, in order to prove free agency you must prove free will and vice versa.  

Before philosophers began questioning the freedom to will they questioned whats know as "liberum arbitrium" or the freedom to choose.   This is what Trauma refers to as free agency.  

It is obvious that we are free in most cases we are free to make our own decisions.  No one is deciding for us, as trauma said.  In this sense we are free to choose, but are we free to will what we choose?

Unless you have the free will to will what you choose, you don't have the freedom to choose.  You would only have to freedom to ACT on your choice.  

That is why the mention of free agency gets reverted back to an arguement for free will.  Without the freedom to will your choices your choices aren't free.  You can't simply sidestep free will and declare free agency.  

The misconception is:

"I am free I can DO as I will"  

The question should be:

Can you also will what you will to will?  Or choose what you will to choose?


As a hint when considering this idea, you should consider what circumstances would allow a person to will what he wills.  
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