Laylaw Discusses His History With Dr. Dre, 2Pac, Ghost-Producing Cali Love Remix

[Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)]

i don't see why hutch wouldn't get credit if he was involved.
besides, 100 miles & runnin' sounds like Dr.Dre & Yella to me.

Not saying that these stories are true or false, but it's funny how many of these stories we've heard these past few months. Sam Sneed, DOC, Laylaw, Budda, Snoop etc etc have all said revealed things that makes Dre look bad in the public eye. Must be something goin' on.

yeah lots of stories lately.
really strange

http://www.cover.dk/blog/motherfuckers-who-forgot-about-dre

come on man you know its not always as straightforward as that. credit has been fucked up before when it comes to Dre so why wouldnt Hutch be victim of the same thing? besides Kokane confrmed in an old interview that Hutch gave Dre breakbeats for NWA albums and showed him a lot off other stuff too and went uncredited, so I dont think Laylaw is lying

well hutch gave eazy a lot of props for ruthless, he wouldn't do that if he got ripped off.
he ain't the type to hold back, just look at all the bickering about who invented g funk.

giving breakbeats is not the same as getting the beats stolen. you're free to believe what you want, but don't forget about the (former) partners that gave dre props, like dawaun parker, scott storch, mike elizondo, dj yella, hi tek, dj khalil, nottz, focus, j.r. rotem etc.

exactly, thats why i dont believe Dre is a fraud. he is producin his records

[shoo]

I think their is some serious player hating going on.  Dave Chappelle could make a new skit out of it.  It's true, there are a lot of stories, but one very important question remains that never has or even will be answered?
As Nas puts it "Where are they now?"

If Dre is jackin all these beats then how come they can't make the same hits when he's not in the picture?  

Where's Mel Man at?  Storch?  Khalil?  I'm talking solo style.  These guys can make beats on their own with their own teams but none of them have come even close to Dre's success.  This is in the past so let it be.  How can yous till feel burnt if you've never made a hit even 1/10th the size?

stop thinking like it's the skills what makes you succesful. Actually the difference between them and Dre was Iovine....

[Dre-Day]

i don't see why hutch wouldn't get credit if he was involved.
besides, 100 miles & runnin' sounds like Dr.Dre & Yella to me.

Not saying that these stories are true or false, but it's funny how many of these stories we've heard these past few months. Sam Sneed, DOC, Laylaw, Budda, Snoop etc etc have all said revealed things that makes Dre look bad in the public eye. Must be something goin' on.

yeah lots of stories lately.
really strange

http://www.cover.dk/blog/motherfuckers-who-forgot-about-dre

come on man you know its not always as straightforward as that. credit has been fucked up before when it comes to Dre so why wouldnt Hutch be victim of the same thing? besides Kokane confrmed in an old interview that Hutch gave Dre breakbeats for NWA albums and showed him a lot off other stuff too and went uncredited, so I dont think Laylaw is lying

well hutch gave eazy a lot of props for ruthless, he wouldn't do that if he got ripped off.
he ain't the type to hold back, just look at all the bickering about who invented g funk.

giving breakbeats is not the same as getting the beats stolen. you're free to believe what you want, but don't forget about the (former) partners that gave dre props, like dawaun parker, scott storch, mike elizondo, dj yella, hi tek, dj khalil, nottz, focus, j.r. rotem etc.

exactly, thats why i dont believe Dre is a fraud. he is producin his records

yeah, i don't believe he can get away with stealing for 20+ years, that's impossible.

I think their is some serious player hating going on.  Dave Chappelle could make a new skit out of it.  It's true, there are a lot of stories, but one very important question remains that never has or even will be answered?
As Nas puts it "Where are they now?"

If Dre is jackin all these beats then how come they can't make the same hits when he's not in the picture?   

Where's Mel Man at?  Storch?  Khalil?  I'm talking solo style.  These guys can make beats on their own with their own teams but none of them have come even close to Dre's success.  This is in the past so let it be.  How can yous till feel burnt if you've never made a hit even 1/10th the size?

stop thinking like it's the skills what makes you successful. Actually the difference between them and Dre was Iovine....

dre was already successful before iovine came into the picture.
sure jimmy helped a lot with death row & aftermath. but don't forget that the chronic saved interscope from bankruptcy

[HighEyeCue]

just like Daz did the second half of Doggystyle

[bouli77]

The word "stealing" is not the right term. I doubt Dre ever stole any beat. However, Radiotube's post makes a lot of sense. The argument using Dre's career as the proof everybody going against him lies is ludicrous. I think we have to look at the broader picture. With everything that has been said we can sort out what is likely to be true and what is bullshit. I think Radiotube's post does that.

So basically

1) Dre's longevity doesn't dismiss his once collaborators' testimonies. I think Dre (and the people surrounding him like Suge) was once very neglecting about giving people credit. So in the beginning, those who did the bulk of the work (whatever you wanna call them beatmakers, ghostproducers, etc.) weren't credited (so supposedly Lay Law, Big Hutch in some instances, Chris The Glove Taylor, Barney Rubble) (and some didn't find that outrageous, like The Glove). It also depended on the importance of the co-producer. I remember a Snoop interview where he said that Suge wanted Snoop to take the credit for the Who Got Some Gangsta Shit beat because Soopafly wasn't signed and was basically a nobody in the industry. I think over the years Dre has been more careful to include his collaborators in the credits, whether as co-producer or musician. It started with Daz on Afro Puffs, then Bud'da, Mel Man, Mike Elizondo, Focus and so on were all credited. And I think that's the reason why today Dre is only credited as the mixer for Kush and INAD. I guess that 15 years ago Dre would have taken at least a co-producer credit on Kush.

2) Dre "forgetting" to mention people in the credits does not make him a thief or a fraud. Dre was most of the time responsible for the final product more than the original beatmaker. Contributors should have been credited too.

3) Just because a person is bitter doesn't make him a liar or a wack producer. But he's more likely to exaggerate to prove his point.

[dubsmith_nz]

^^^ Dre had been giving a lot of producers credit for a long time now, shit Khalil even said see completely revamped the sound of kush and only took mixing credits, it seems like hes taking a step back, giving other producers their shine and "detoxing" from the game. It seems like a lot of this dispute comes from the death row period so maybe it was suges involvement, he didn't mind sharing vo producer credits with yella before death row and Mel mam after for whole albums.

[BiggBoogaBiff]

i think Khalil was just being humble.  everything about that song besides tha Piano sounds like Khalil.   everything from tha drums to Kobe's part and tha way its punched in to tha background sounds.   Dre sounds like he guided Snoops verse just based off their more recent efforts and maybe it was his idea to put Sly in there but everything about that song screams DJ Khalil.

[dubsmith_nz]

i think Khalil was just being humble.  everything about that song besides tha Piano sounds like Khalil.   everything from tha drums to Kobe's part and tha way its punched in to tha background sounds.   Dre sounds like he guided Snoops verse just based off their more recent efforts and maybe it was his idea to put Sly in there but everything about that song screams DJ Khalil.

Why can't we believe the words from Khalils mouth?

[Okka]

Dr Dre has to be one of the biggest frauds in hip hop.   I dont understand why he continues to get praise when history has shown all he ever does is rob and steal from other producers. Im convinced he has never done one beat for himself. Even in the NWA days it seems that Big Hutch and Erotic D were doing all the work

MC Ren and Yella both said that Dr. Dre made the beats for NWA and there's even some footage of him workin' on the 2nd album in the studio, but Ren said that Dre took credit for the Above The Law album and didn't actually make those beats. Bad Azz said this same shit about Dr. Dre years ago in an interview with DubCNN.

dubcnn.com : The Neptunes ain't as dope as Dre though man..

Shiiit.. It's opinionated, I ain't gonna try and force my opinion on you, but I say it, write it down in my interview, Bad Azz said The Neptunes are as dope as Dr. Dre. And I didn't say doper, and they're new, they ain't as old as Dre, but on me, they PRODUCED all they songs, Dre don't produce all his songs, look Dre gets props for songs that he didn't produce! So who's doper? The Neptunes produce allllll they're songs, Dre gets props for.. Focus produces Dre songs, Mel Man produces Dre songs, Daz produced Dre songs, Warren G has produced Dre songs, like remember that Watcher song? Dre didn't do that beat! Dre did not do that beat! 50% of the shit Dre does, he doesn't really do! He has this little kid named Ryan right now, that nigga is DOPE as fuck! He has this guy named Focus that produces beats.. You know who else like got a song compilation wit Dre.. Khalil, Khalil has been producin for Dre. Dre needs dope producers, and he'll take a rough track
that they did and he'll fix it up and he produced it. The Neptunes are way doper than Dre, Battlecat is way doper, I'm talkin' about niggas like Jelly Roll, that produce, really produce they're own tracks. Did you hear that song Jelly Roll produced for Dre? On the Wash soundtrack? Comon now, Dr. Dre hasn't made a beat that dope in years, and that's Jelly Roll! But people think Dre did it! Even The Wash, what about that, that's the last beat Dre did that I can honestly say Dre did, and that's a sample! Dre did that, that's a Dre beat, but c'mon man I can name a gang of beats that are tighter than that that people think Dre did, so I feel you when you say like "Dre! He's the greatest!" but believe me man, alotta these young niggas are doper than him, but he has the credit, he as the power, he's the man, he's the credible producer that says "I did more work, I did produce more songs than you guys" So it's not like these niggas ain't better, caues Jelly Roll, I'ma be honest with you, Jelly Roll, BattleCat, Fredwreck, The Neptunes, Just
Blaze, those niggas are fuckin wit Dre man. And these new dope ass producers
that are really makin the hits right now, they fuckin wit him man! Mel Man..
have you heard Mel Mans shit?


dubcnn.com : Of course!

Mel Man is fuckin vicious, and now Mel Mans still produces shit that Dre gets credit for right now! And that's why I say The Neptunes is nobody that produces for them! The Neptunes are Chad, Hugo and Pharrell Williams and thats it. They make ALL the beats, that little chinese dude thats behind Pharell, he makes, he programs beats, Pharell does the keyboard and the hook, and that's the beat. And they produce for Michael Jackson, they produce for Justin Timberlake, they killin Dre! They REALLY get 100Gs a track, Dre don't get 100 Gs a track! From who? Who does Dre sell? He sellin to Eminem for 100 Gs a track? Nooo, he GIVIN Eminem beats? Snoop ain't buyin no tracks from Dre for 100 Gs, The Neptunes are really sellin beats to people for 100 Gs. Pass The Courvoisier, they got 100 Gs for that, Beautiful, they got 100 Gs for that, that other song Snoop did, they got a 100 Gs for that. They got $200,000 from Snoop for his record, for that. Dre ain't gettin paid like that! He's not, I swear to god, and the reason why I say that is that Dre makes DEAL. Like Jay-Z is gonna say look Dre, gimme 2 beats I'll write you two verses. So he ain't gettin 100 Gs a beat, I mean he's worth a 100Gs a
beat, they gonna sell enough copies for him to make 100 Gs, but he ain't gettin paid believe me, mark my words, he ain't gettin paid like the neptunes. Like Rodney Jerkins, he produces R&B, he gets 150-200 Gs a TRACK! Dre ain't gettin that! And even though like I said Dre is worth it, but he ain't gettin that. If we name all the artists Dre produced for recently, 50 Cent ain't payed 100 Gs for these tracks, Dre gave him those beats! He might have got 40 or 50 a beat because Interscope probably paid him.. All in all Dre ain't even workin for no outside people that would! Anybody thats big enough to pay 100 Gs for a Dre track, if they do they stupid because like if Tony Braxton want a Dre beat, all she has to do is say "look Dre I'll do you a favor you'll give me a beat" Or they gonna get it discounted, that's why I say The Neptunes are really gettin 100 Gs a beat. But that's just because I give credit where credit is due, I don't say nothing against Dre dog, Dre is the greatest producer that ever touched the game, but because of alotta reasons, not because he's the best beat maker right now because he's not. And I know it, I swear to god I know it. He gets dope beats from all the dope niggas that's out there! He gets beats from Battlecat, he gets beats from Jelly Roll, and he changes them up a little bit and putsh is name on
them. He gets beats from this little nigga named Ryan. He plays in the church, he plays in the fuckin church, and this dude named Focus, he was makin beats at his house, and he was so killer, somebody took a beat to Dre, like listen to this beat. And he was like "Who made that?" Listens to this other one and he was so dope Dre was like "Man bring him to me!" You understand what I'm sayin? But Dre is smart, that's smart, that's how I am, I can't produce a beat, I'ma be like Dr. Dre, I'ma hook up wit every dope producer and put it out under my jurisdiction!

http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/badazz/

[Dre-Day]

The word "stealing" is not the right term. I doubt Dre ever stole any beat. However, Radiotube's post makes a lot of sense. The argument using Dre's career as the proof everybody going against him lies is ludicrous. I think we have to look at the broader picture. With everything that has been said we can sort out what is likely to be true and what is bullshit. I think Radiotube's post does that.

So basically

1) Dre's longevity doesn't dismiss his once collaborators' testimonies. I think Dre (and the people surrounding him like Suge) was once very neglecting about giving people credit. So in the beginning, those who did the bulk of the work (whatever you wanna call them beatmakers, ghostproducers, etc.) weren't credited (so supposedly Lay Law, Big Hutch in some instances, Chris The Glove Taylor, Barney Rubble) (and some didn't find that outrageous, like The Glove). It also depended on the importance of the co-producer. I remember a Snoop interview where he said that Suge wanted Snoop to take the credit for the Who Got Some Gangsta Shit beat because Soopafly wasn't signed and was basically a nobody in the industry. I think over the years Dre has been more careful to include his collaborators in the credits, whether as co-producer or musician. It started with Daz on Afro Puffs, then Bud'da, Mel Man, Mike Elizondo, Focus and so on were all credited. And I think that's the reason why today Dre is only credited as the mixer for Kush and INAD. I guess that 15 years ago Dre would have taken at least a co-producer credit on Kush.

2) Dre "forgetting" to mention people in the credits does not make him a thief or a fraud. Dre was most of the time responsible for the final product more than the original beatmaker. Contributors should have been credited too.

3) Just because a person is bitter doesn't make him a liar or a wack producer. But he's more likely to exaggerate to prove his point.

a lot of collaborations are credited

[Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)]

Dr Dre has to be one of the biggest frauds in hip hop.   I dont understand why he continues to get praise when history has shown all he ever does is rob and steal from other producers. Im convinced he has never done one beat for himself. Even in the NWA days it seems that Big Hutch and Erotic D were doing all the work

MC Ren and Yella both said that Dr. Dre made the beats for NWA and there's even some footage of him workin' on the 2nd album in the studio, but Ren said that Dre took credit for the Above The Law album and didn't actually make those beats. Bad Azz said this same shit about Dr. Dre years ago in an interview with DubCNN.

dubcnn.com : The Neptunes ain't as dope as Dre though man..

Shiiit.. It's opinionated, I ain't gonna try and force my opinion on you, but I say it, write it down in my interview, Bad Azz said The Neptunes are as dope as Dr. Dre. And I didn't say doper, and they're new, they ain't as old as Dre, but on me, they PRODUCED all they songs, Dre don't produce all his songs, look Dre gets props for songs that he didn't produce! So who's doper? The Neptunes produce allllll they're songs, Dre gets props for.. Focus produces Dre songs, Mel Man produces Dre songs, Daz produced Dre songs, Warren G has produced Dre songs, like remember that Watcher song? Dre didn't do that beat! Dre did not do that beat! 50% of the shit Dre does, he doesn't really do! He has this little kid named Ryan right now, that nigga is DOPE as fuck! He has this guy named Focus that produces beats.. You know who else like got a song compilation wit Dre.. Khalil, Khalil has been producin for Dre. Dre needs dope producers, and he'll take a rough track
that they did and he'll fix it up and he produced it. The Neptunes are way doper than Dre, Battlecat is way doper, I'm talkin' about niggas like Jelly Roll, that produce, really produce they're own tracks. Did you hear that song Jelly Roll produced for Dre? On the Wash soundtrack? Comon now, Dr. Dre hasn't made a beat that dope in years, and that's Jelly Roll! But people think Dre did it! Even The Wash, what about that, that's the last beat Dre did that I can honestly say Dre did, and that's a sample! Dre did that, that's a Dre beat, but c'mon man I can name a gang of beats that are tighter than that that people think Dre did, so I feel you when you say like "Dre! He's the greatest!" but believe me man, alotta these young niggas are doper than him, but he has the credit, he as the power, he's the man, he's the credible producer that says "I did more work, I did produce more songs than you guys" So it's not like these niggas ain't better, caues Jelly Roll, I'ma be honest with you, Jelly Roll, BattleCat, Fredwreck, The Neptunes, Just
Blaze, those niggas are fuckin wit Dre man. And these new dope ass producers
that are really makin the hits right now, they fuckin wit him man! Mel Man..
have you heard Mel Mans shit?


dubcnn.com : Of course!

Mel Man is fuckin vicious, and now Mel Mans still produces shit that Dre gets credit for right now! And that's why I say The Neptunes is nobody that produces for them! The Neptunes are Chad, Hugo and Pharrell Williams and thats it. They make ALL the beats, that little chinese dude thats behind Pharell, he makes, he programs beats, Pharell does the keyboard and the hook, and that's the beat. And they produce for Michael Jackson, they produce for Justin Timberlake, they killin Dre! They REALLY get 100Gs a track, Dre don't get 100 Gs a track! From who? Who does Dre sell? He sellin to Eminem for 100 Gs a track? Nooo, he GIVIN Eminem beats? Snoop ain't buyin no tracks from Dre for 100 Gs, The Neptunes are really sellin beats to people for 100 Gs. Pass The Courvoisier, they got 100 Gs for that, Beautiful, they got 100 Gs for that, that other song Snoop did, they got a 100 Gs for that. They got $200,000 from Snoop for his record, for that. Dre ain't gettin paid like that! He's not, I swear to god, and the reason why I say that is that Dre makes DEAL. Like Jay-Z is gonna say look Dre, gimme 2 beats I'll write you two verses. So he ain't gettin 100 Gs a beat, I mean he's worth a 100Gs a
beat, they gonna sell enough copies for him to make 100 Gs, but he ain't gettin paid believe me, mark my words, he ain't gettin paid like the neptunes. Like Rodney Jerkins, he produces R&B, he gets 150-200 Gs a TRACK! Dre ain't gettin that! And even though like I said Dre is worth it, but he ain't gettin that. If we name all the artists Dre produced for recently, 50 Cent ain't payed 100 Gs for these tracks, Dre gave him those beats! He might have got 40 or 50 a beat because Interscope probably paid him.. All in all Dre ain't even workin for no outside people that would! Anybody thats big enough to pay 100 Gs for a Dre track, if they do they stupid because like if Tony Braxton want a Dre beat, all she has to do is say "look Dre I'll do you a favor you'll give me a beat" Or they gonna get it discounted, that's why I say The Neptunes are really gettin 100 Gs a beat. But that's just because I give credit where credit is due, I don't say nothing against Dre dog, Dre is the greatest producer that ever touched the game, but because of alotta reasons, not because he's the best beat maker right now because he's not. And I know it, I swear to god I know it. He gets dope beats from all the dope niggas that's out there! He gets beats from Battlecat, he gets beats from Jelly Roll, and he changes them up a little bit and putsh is name on
them. He gets beats from this little nigga named Ryan. He plays in the church, he plays in the fuckin church, and this dude named Focus, he was makin beats at his house, and he was so killer, somebody took a beat to Dre, like listen to this beat. And he was like "Who made that?" Listens to this other one and he was so dope Dre was like "Man bring him to me!" You understand what I'm sayin? But Dre is smart, that's smart, that's how I am, I can't produce a beat, I'ma be like Dr. Dre, I'ma hook up wit every dope producer and put it out under my jurisdiction!

http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/badazz/

hmm, u think Bad Azz is credible?
he probly never been in a studio wit Dre in his life

[bouli77]

well you can see him in the booklet of 2001

[Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation)]

i think hes just bitter or some shit. Bad azz reached out to Dre for a beat at one point,
doc never got back to him.. (same interview Okka quoted)

[Lucifuge]

Why you wont work with the man if he rob you once?

[BiggBoogaBiff]

yall do know its not that hard to put together a hip hop beat right?  whether its good or not is a whole different story.  i believe Bad Azz just like i believe tha millions of other people who say they made those beats and I believe tha entire rap world when they said they worked on Detox.  Dre got good ears and he's probably sittin on all this hot music thats been accumulating until sum random ass new nigga comes in and kills em.