Lets be real about 2pac for a minute

[West$ide Boi]

So I've seen a lot of pointless personal attacks in this thread. A lot of name calling as well.

Very few people have addressed the question at hand: Did 2pac's actions play a role that lead to some tragic consequences?

His actions did play a part and nobody has even disputed that in tha slightest but to keep it all tha way real those actions were outweighed more by other people than Pac.




he rapped about uplighting niggaz and then gets set up and shot by his niggaz. 

he makes a song (not just any song) called "Keep Ya Head Up" and then gets hit with a false sex abuse charge (i personally dont believe it and i feel that way about alotta celebrities period. charlie sheen has spent millions on hookers, why would he need to sexually assault anybody - for example)

he defends a stranger from police and busts back at them.  to this day no entertainer of any kind has done that for anybody (a random person at that)

he shed light on the police and justice system and gets shot in Vegas but gets pulled over and dragged out on tha ground for 30 minutes for no reason meanwhile he's bleeding out all over the place and pretty much dies right there.  he basically died becuz of racist ass punk ass police.

pretty much everybody he hung out with was from the EastCoast

tha nigga kept it 100 and didnt have any cut cards


every man must take accountability for his own actions, that is true and i believe that religiously (i'm going thru something right now and I'm not blaming anybody but myself).  the media took Pac's words and actions outta context.  when he spit at tha camera it was becuz he was selling records and attacking the people who were publicly damning him at tha same time.  if u dont and didn't understand the man then you dont understand niggaz yourself.  Pac resinated with niggaz be we could relate to his words, emotions, and actions, not becuz Interscope Records wanted to sell another album and tha nigga just happened to be talented and get popular.



and plz, lets not get to actin' like back in the day that the laws weren't handing out cases like pocket change to homeless people.



just becuz people loved Pac doesn't make us groupies, u must have never met a groupie in real life becuz you're using the term wrong.  how can u clown inspiration and art.  yeah, clown me, say whatever, but i dont have 2 lie becuz i (and millions if not billions of other people looked up to Pac and still do and it's still growing by the day).  just like i said, this topic is irrational.  u want us to damn a man who stood for so much just becuz the nigga waz wild lol, it's not gonna happen.  this thread won't go anywhere further than this board.

Thank God somebody has Pac's back not just me, you haters should stop making these stupid threads about the greatest rapper of all time, go and listen to gucci mane and wacka flocka if you cant accept Pac the way he was. BTW today is Pack's birthday so stop the hating and wish him happy birthday!!! THREAD CLOSED

[felipebtu]

Jman / OFWG is angry with me, because I spoke of the British gay singers .. He's from London too .
Ok I dance salsa and samba .

but you are Another Gay Ass British .
is to be expected .. England where even the Prince (Charles) sits on Cock

[mastdark81]

Most of us didn't know 2Pac so we can only judge him on the basis of his music and what his peers thought of him.  Of of those two factors he seemed to be a good dude overall with flaws just like everyone else.  The fact that we still talk about the man til this day good/bad he definitely made an impact on society.

[Ali Tha Great]

I hope this shines some light on the topic...

http://www.escapemtl.ca/2010/06/17/the-truth-about-haitian-jack.html

and I think pac was the GOAT when it comes to rap, but it's obvious that his tough guy image wasn't the real pac, he even says that he adopted that persona after he played bishop in juice..what you guys are arguing is fucking retarded tho tbh, I didn't read the whole thread but basically there's people saying"pac was a thug" and others saying"pac was a ballerina", in which case both sides are right(he shot two cops, thats pretty thug ish in my book, and he went to the performing school of arts or whatever it's called and had to take a ballet class to get a passing grade, so he was a DANSEUR)...pac was a deep dude and nobody really can say for sure what pacs motives were, cause IMHO he didn't even know what he was doing at times, but in the big picture when you look at it, pac was all about helping the less fortunate, and you can't hate on that...anything else is up to the judgment of the all-mighty(and I don't mean pac to all you euros who think pac is the all-mighty that should judge himself in the afterlife lmao), hence "only god can judge me"...but it would be dudes 40th today, just spark up a blunt and play your favorite pac album and stop the bitching...and to all the groupies that are always saying pac would kick your ass if you said that to his face blah blah blah, nigga was what 5'7 and weighed like a buck fifty or sixty at most, if he's not pulling out a burner he's not doing shit, PAC WASN'T A FIGHTER, mike tyson was a fighter...pac was a writer that ran his mouth like a fighter and he had to pay the consequences in the end...still the GOAT, but not the best decision maker in the heat of the moment...

[Sir Petey]

Don't get the 'riding' term twisted. I'm just using slang like the black folk do.

Maybe you should just be yourself and not mimic the way black folks say things. That way people wouldn't get confused by what you're saying.

[Sccit]

I love how NIK came through & couldn't even dispute a point. Just said, "you're stupid". Learn how to argue, Jew.

telling a jew to learn how to argue is like telling u to not be a faggot..

[Will_B]

Don't get the 'riding' term twisted. I'm just using slang like the black folk do.

Maybe you should just be yourself and not mimic the way black folks say things. That way people wouldn't get confused by what you're saying.

Thanks for your valuable input King Petey Pablo. I was just trying to sound black, I'm sure you can relate to that

R.I.P. 2Pac!!

[LAC/EASTSIDE]

I pointed out his greedy actions caused an innocent man to die causing two children to grow up fatherless

Ignorance across the board caused any life to be lost. 2Pac didn't squeeze that trigger.

You say you used to ride for Pac now you preach that he was a negative figure in society - I guess your focus shifted.

Music fans can celebrate Pacs output without focussing on any personal negative side, just like people worldwide still enjoying Thriller without confusing the troubled side of Michael Jacksons life and his music.

Going hell bent to 'wake people up' on the reals of Pacs life is kinda weird though (you were the dude who was banned before right?), it's kinda obvious but it's cool if you only just realised it.
And if that's how you choose to spend your spare time who am I to judge

Lol @ riding for Pac. We can enjoy a rapper's music while at the same time admit he wasn't a decent human being. That's what separates fans like me from groupies like you.

You groupies will never understand what being a fan is all about. Neither you nor I know these rappers personally. It wouldn't surprise me if half of them were scumbags. That said, if a rapper shows through public actions that they're a huge douche I'm not going to stop listening to their music. But neither am I going to excuse what they've done or act like they're a great person just based on their music. "Riding" for a rapper is on some gay stanboy shit.

 It blows my mind how people are getting pissed off at probably the most reasonable arguments on this forum. Guy acts like a jerk in public and does things a jerk would do, guy probably is a jerk. Not that big of a leap to make. If it was lil wayne who was getting into the same B.S. Pac was and running his mouth off in interviews, would you be saying he's a great guy too? LOL you and I both know the answer is no.

Reasonable argument? HAHAHAha How dumb are you to actually think its reasonable to talk about someone's personality when you didn't even know the guy personally? You fucking idiot, you just love drama. You're a fucking straight cunt. Go watch soap operas. Stick to the music in this forum you bitch.

[JMan]

Felipebtu is hands down the funniest poster on this site even if he did PM me asking for dicks pics

arh you suprised when our salsa loving friend felipe has this poster on his wall 




NO NO NO
ON MY WALL HAS A POSTER OF YOUR MAMA SUCKING MY FAT COCK .. BEFORE I CRACK HER ASS ! BIATCH!

Jman / OFWG is angry with me, because I spoke of the British gay singers .. He's from London too .
Ok I dance salsa and samba .

but you are Another Gay Ass British .
is to be expected .. England where even the Prince (Charles) sits on Cock

Hahaha, bless you felipe... i know your "trying" your hardest to flame me son, but lets face it when you struggle to type or even grasp the english langauge your always going to fail... now be a good little cabana boy and go help daddy get into his carnivale costume, you must be soo proud of him being the #1 drag queen on the circuit. Dont worry your day will come soon enough.


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[Triple OG Rapsodie]

Reasonable argument? HAHAHAha How dumb are you to actually think its reasonable to talk about someone's personality when you didn't even know the guy personally? You fucking idiot, you just love drama. You're a fucking straight cunt. Go watch soap operas. Stick to the music in this forum you bitch.

Apparently as dumb as you:

You guys are getting too caught up on that REAL shit. First of all what the fuck is REAL and how can you tell who is more REAL than someone else?? HAHA. I think 2Pac was real but not because of what most people talk about. I think he was REAL because he made MUSIC for everyone. H did songs like KEEP YA HEAD UP or Unconditional LOve, BRENDAS GOT A BABY, DEAR MAMA but still keeping it HIP HOP. Not many rappers could get away with that. Yes he made many mistakes and went crazy at times, but before you can criticize him for that, you need to analyze how he grew up and where he came from. The thug IMAGE he portrayed was not FALSE unless you actually were ignorant enough to think he was saying he was a THUG because he murders everyone. He always said his definition of a THUG was because he came from the GUTTER. He was from the hood, in other words. I never truly looked at him as a killer of any kind. To me he was a regular kat, that was dealing with a lot of shit that MOST 25 years old would probably not be able to handle. He went crazy, got shot and was influenced by the wrong people. He made songs expressing how he felt about his life and moment.  It's COMMON and happens to many young adults. When you saw 2Pac speak on a serious note, you would than be able to understand who he really was. He was a good guy and made classic music. Wish he was still alive and grown, to be able to see him get over that time and make some more classic positive HIP HOP.

Irony much? You're a joke. You're clearly butthurt and trying to deny it is making it worse for you. How are you gonna whine about others judging Pac when you write paragraphs on the subject? Half of the posts you've made are about Pac but somehow this is the one Pac topic that shouldn't be discussed. Face the fact that you're mad and the groupie in you can't stop yourself from (dick)riding for him.

[LyRiCaL_G]

i aint reading 8 pages but let me just say this straight up, pac was and is and will always be one of the greatest to ever step on the mic. These white kids jumping off walls over an eminem track just dunno, 2pac>>>>>>>>>>>eminem.

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i aint reading 8 pages but let me just say this straight up, pac was and is and will always be one of the greatest to ever step on the mic. These white kids jumping off walls over an eminem track just dunno, 2pac>>>>>>>>>>>eminem.

You should've read the past 8 pages because I don't think Em was mentioned once

[Sikotic™]

Who here is disputing Pac's music or his words though? It's like people keep trying to change the subject.

We're talking about the man's actions. And if you ask me, actions always speak louder than words.

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

Actually Brian I don't watch much porn either, you would be proud of me.  I have a GF and I prefer her touch to masturbation.  And Brain you wanna know who Tom is ?  Tom is someone that has been through the storm and back and instead of blaming everyone else he grew up and accepted responsibility for his life and made positive changes.  Tom is someone that doesn't have it figured out but he knows that but he still puts himself out there trying to figure it out.  And Tom may be a dick at times, unsure of himself at times, unhappy with himself at time, but he knows EXACTLY who he is and who he wants to be and I work my fucking ass off getting there instead of living in the past and blaming everyone else.

And Brian the only reason I tear you down is because your still the same anger filled judgemental person you were when we first started posting here.

And tear Pac down, no I pointed out the consquences of his actions, something Pac groupies are afraid to do.

Of course.  My bad.  You are a great man and I am a total failure as a human being.  

...and even though Pac made it to legendary status in an industry that is one of the most cut-throat businesses out there; he wasn't perfect enough.  And clearly you can see that, while the 2pac groupies can't.

You are an inspiration to us all, Tom.   That's why we love you because you are so inspirational for all you've been through and all you've overcome.  

Where in that post did I say you were a failure as a human being Brian ?  I said you were still the same judgemental hate filled person you were nearly 10 years later.  No where did I say you were a failure as a human being.  Those are your own words Brian, is that your own guilt speaking up ?   But back to the point Brian, no where have I denied Pac reaching legendary status, no where have I denied his material.  I merely pointed out the severe consquences of Pac's actions.  And I'm not getting on Pac for not being perfect because no one is.  And I'll be the first to say neither am I.  I'm very far from perfect but for whatever reason you keep going to one ridiculous extreme to protect your hero.  But one huge difference between my mistakes and Pac's is the fact my mistakes didn't kill a man and destroy a genre of music.  If you don't see what Pac did to rap in the long run, you're in straight denial.  To be honest I find it very disturbing that you and the fellow pac groupies can't even see or begin to think of the consquences of Pac's actions in the last year of his life.  No one in this thread has disputed my points with rebuttals that have anything to do with the original subject at hand

If Pac laid around his mom couch in bitching all day, and postin on internet sites, jerkin off and watching porn and WWE.... then yeah, I guess he could of stayed out of trouble, or at least nobody would of cared whether he did wrong anyway.