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Quote from: Prodigal Son on June 17, 2011, 06:13:45 AMPac's selfish actions in the last year of his life cost him his own life, another mans life, caused two children to grow up without a father, and set the rap game back god knows how many years. Brian enough of talking about how you worship him or how you think I live on my moms couch... DISPUTE THE POINT AT HAND I think that's a little much to put on one man. Especially since Big died after Pac did. The reality was the situation had blown up because of a lot of people. In hindsight, we can say "Oh! They shouldn't have done that" but at that time, there was no tragic event of that magnitude to use as an example of what could happen if things got out of hand. Pac was moving at such a speed that he needed that break. If you look at the prison interview he did for Vibe, when he was sobered up, he had a very introspective way about himself. The last few interviews he had done, he seemed to be moving away from the Bad Boy drama a little. I think, had he not been shot or even survived the shooting, I think he eventually would have moved away from the beef direction a little.Big's kids growing up without a father is terrible but Pac wasn't the one who orphaned them. Biggie kind of fell into the same trap as Pac in not having people around to explain certain things. Going to Cali was dangerous and a lot of people knew that and didn't look out for him like they should have. Going there less than six months after Pac died, while Suge is locked up, was just a poor move. Topping that off by doing lyrics from "Long Kiss Goodnight" as a throwaway freestyle on the radio where people are gonna view that as a shot against Pac was a no-no. Big had a similar vibe when Tha Dogg Pound was shooting "New York, New York" out in NYC so I can't see how he didn't know how the public would take that. He'd already been through this in Oakland with the E-40 incident so where was somebody to say, "Hey, Biggie. L.A. might be hot right now. Maybe this ain't a good idea"? Quote from: Prodigal Son on June 17, 2011, 12:54:52 PMBrian, those closest to Pac said he knew who did what and threw Big in there to make money. Its well documented that he ran into Big at an award show and Big asked him LIKE A MAN what the deal was and Pac told him it wasn't personal, it was strictly business. Go look it up. That's not exactly "well-documented". The only time I heard that was from Voletta Wallace in an interview, many years after the fact, quoting something her son told her. That's not to say Voletta was lying but that's basically a pretty big game of telephone there.
Pac's selfish actions in the last year of his life cost him his own life, another mans life, caused two children to grow up without a father, and set the rap game back god knows how many years. Brian enough of talking about how you worship him or how you think I live on my moms couch... DISPUTE THE POINT AT HAND
Brian, those closest to Pac said he knew who did what and threw Big in there to make money. Its well documented that he ran into Big at an award show and Big asked him LIKE A MAN what the deal was and Pac told him it wasn't personal, it was strictly business. Go look it up.
The last few interviews he had done, he seemed to be moving away from the Bad Boy drama a little. I think, had he not been shot or even survived the shooting, I think he eventually would have moved away from the beef direction a little.
another PC gangsta tryin to take a shot at Pac. Did puffy send u to this westcoast site to spread hate??? wot a joke of a human being.u wanna take a long listen to hit em up u bitch and just think if pac was still alive how far in tha rap game he would be. how can u say u loved listening to 2pac then years later diss him 4 wot u have heard on tha net? 2pac was a poet,tha shakespeare of our time.there will never be anotha,R.I.P 2pac..
Quote from: killathugg on June 17, 2011, 10:58:40 PManother PC gangsta tryin to take a shot at Pac. Did puffy send u to this westcoast site to spread hate??? wot a joke of a human being.u wanna take a long listen to hit em up u bitch and just think if pac was still alive how far in tha rap game he would be. how can u say u loved listening to 2pac then years later diss him 4 wot u have heard on tha net? 2pac was a poet,tha shakespeare of our time.there will never be anotha,R.I.P 2pac..see, this here is a wigger , a basic example of one . iīm guessing this one has a tupac tattoo . itīs listening to Troublesome ī96 while pounding itīs fingers on the keyboard. Tupacīs angry lyrics is giving it more strength so it dares to defend itīs hero on a discussion board . it calls itself Killathugg. nice. hell yeah.
I think that's a little much to put on one man. Especially since Big died after Pac did. The reality was the situation had blown up because of a lot of people. In hindsight, we can say "Oh! They shouldn't have done that" but at that time, there was no tragic event of that magnitude to use as an example of what could happen if things got out of hand. Pac was moving at such a speed that he needed that break. If you look at the prison interview he did for Vibe, when he was sobered up, he had a very introspective way about himself. The last few interviews he had done, he seemed to be moving away from the Bad Boy drama a little. I think, had he not been shot or even survived the shooting, I think he eventually would have moved away from the beef direction a little.Big's kids growing up without a father is terrible but Pac wasn't the one who orphaned them. Biggie kind of fell into the same trap as Pac in not having people around to explain certain things. Going to Cali was dangerous and a lot of people knew that and didn't look out for him like they should have. Going there less than six months after Pac died, while Suge is locked up, was just a poor move. Topping that off by doing lyrics from "Long Kiss Goodnight" as a throwaway freestyle on the radio where people are gonna view that as a shot against Pac was a no-no. Big had a similar vibe when Tha Dogg Pound was shooting "New York, New York" out in NYC so I can't see how he didn't know how the public would take that. He'd already been through this in Oakland with the E-40 incident so where was somebody to say, "Hey, Biggie. L.A. might be hot right now. Maybe this ain't a good idea"? Quote from: Prodigal Son on June 17, 2011, 12:54:52 PMBrian, those closest to Pac said he knew who did what and threw Big in there to make money. Its well documented that he ran into Big at an award show and Big asked him LIKE A MAN what the deal was and Pac told him it wasn't personal, it was strictly business. Go look it up. That's not exactly "well-documented". The only time I heard that was from Voletta Wallace in an interview, many years after the fact, quoting something her son told her. That's not to say Voletta was lying but that's basically a pretty big game of telephone there.
Funny how these threads get more about God Status Forum eGangstaz (yawn) vs the eSimps (everyone else).
I don't know why anyone would fight the notion 2pac wasn't a very good person. It doesn't take away what an amazing artist he was. Edgar Allen Poe was a piece of shit as a person, doesn't mean he isn't one of the most gifted poets in human history
No one in this thread denied that about Pac, no one ever questioned 2pac's talent. This thread is about his actions and violence and how they caused another man to die,orphaned two children, and set the rap game back God knows how long. I don't know why the dickriders always bring up his talent, his talent was never brought into question.
Quote from: Prodigal Son on June 19, 2011, 12:12:23 PMNo one in this thread denied that about Pac, no one ever questioned 2pac's talent. This thread is about his actions and violence and how they caused another man to die,orphaned two children, and set the rap game back God knows how long. I don't know why the dickriders always bring up his talent, his talent was never brought into question.Meanwhile in Prodigal Son's bedroom...2Pac not back.
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