Jay-Z & Kanye West-Watch The Throne (Album Discussion)

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

Solid album with some fillers. There's some autotune but it doesn't detract from the music. My fav song on the album is New Day and it has some autotune on the hook. Wish they had rapped over the beat at the end of that song though.

[Javier]

Here's my review after listening to this album a good number of times.  It's a pretty good album.  7.5-8.0 range.  This rating applies to the regular version, that doesn't include the four bonus tracks.  Obviously, they intend for people to judge Watch the Throne with the first twelve tracks. 


One of the few problems I have with the album is some of the hooks, well specifically in Lift Off and Made in America.  I think both of the hooks are very corny and I get turned off to the song.  Lift off is kind of like a poorer version of All of the Lights, it could have been slightly better without that hook or at least say something else in it.  And in Made in America, as soon as Frank Ocean says "Sweet baby Jesus..."  I cringe.  It's just fucking corny lol.  Other than that, the song is pretty good.  I like how ridiculous Niggas in Paris is,    it's exactly the type of shit I want from a Kanye and Jay Z album that's titled Watch the Throne.  I'm not expecting a damn Public Enemy album, so I don't know why some react this way.   The track that stands out the most for me is New Day, great great great song. 

[HighEyeCue]

I don't know why there are other producers on this.  Kayne is an excellent producer, should have done the whole thing himself.

I didn't read up on this album at all before I heard it, I thought this was going to be a Jay-Z album with Kanye producing it.  I'm disappointed.  That would have been a better idea.

I would have preferred that as well, but this album is dope enough as it is

would've been interesting though

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

looks like more Jay-z "im the man, i'm so rich" themed tracks are coming

exactly... ***yawn*** Jay will probably throw in a token track where he tries to be "deep", just so his dickriders can point to that song whenever somebody points out how meaningless his music is

what passes for "deep" for Jay-Z will probably be a line about 12 years ago when he used to sell coke, and he had to struggle to keep his bitches from findin out about eachother, or he had to decide whether to buy a Benz or a Maybach, or whether to put down the drug sales and pick up the mic... **yawn**

....Jay isnt exactly 2pac or Em, where he like to open up about any insecurities

[Javier]

Sorry junior, I already ruined ya
‘Cause you ain’t even alive, paparazzi pursuin’ ya
Sins of a father make yo’ life ten times harder
I just wanna take ya to a barber
Bondin’ on charters, all the shit that I never did
Teach ya good values, so you cherish it
Took me 26 years to find my path
My only job is cuttin’ the time in half
So at 13 we’ll have our first drink together
Black bar mitzvahs, mazel tov, mogul talk
Look a man dead in his eyes
So he know you talk truth when you speak it, give your word, keep it
And if the day comes I only see him on the weekend
I just pray we was in love on the night that we conceived him
Promise to never leave him even if his mama tweakin’
Cause my dad left me and I promise never repeat him
Never repeat him, never repeat him

[Javier]

but don't think I've seen Jay-Z fans claim he's deep though. 

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

Sorry junior, I already ruined ya
‘Cause you ain’t even alive, paparazzi pursuin’ ya
Sins of a father make yo’ life ten times harder
I just wanna take ya to a barber
Bondin’ on charters, all the shit that I never did
Teach ya good values, so you cherish it
Took me 26 years to find my path
My only job is cuttin’ the time in half
So at 13 we’ll have our first drink together
Black bar mitzvahs, mazel tov, mogul talk
Look a man dead in his eyes
So he know you talk truth when you speak it, give your word, keep it
And if the day comes I only see him on the weekend
I just pray we was in love on the night that we conceived him
Promise to never leave him even if his mama tweakin’
Cause my dad left me and I promise never repeat him
Never repeat him, never repeat him

somebody save me I'm screamin/
I started as a seed from seamin/
swimmin upstream/
while planted in the womb concievin/
on the top was my pops/
my mama screamin stop/
from a single drop/
this is what they got/
not to disrespects my pops/
but he was a loser/
only plan he had for mama/
was to fuck her and abuse her/
so what was I to be/
a product of this broken plan/
mama got pregnant/
and papa got a piece of ass/
pistol in my hand/
this cold world could do without/
got me askin white jesus/
will a nigga live or die/
cause the lord can't see us/
in the deep dark projects/
aint no sunshine/
no sunny days/
and we only play sometimes/
when everybody's sleepin/
open up the window get to creepin/
will I live or die/
only 19/
out on the block/
where everybodys tryin to slang rocks/
rather go to college/
but this is where the game stops/
from dusk till dawn cause its always on/
where you can buy rocks glocks or a herion bomb/
you can ask my man hes a mind reader/
keep my 9 heater/
this how we grind/
pass the weed and get smoked out/
everywhere I go people holler at me/
keep it real G/
act up if you feel me/
born not to make it but I did/
the tribulations of a ghetto kid/
still I rise!

Pac -Still I Rise-

you see that was an unreleased verse from Pac that shits on Jay Z's whole career. 

Pac revealed his insecurities and how ones fate can twist and turn, and the universal sadness of life that all people could relate to when things dont go as planned and you question where your place is in the world, but try to make the most out of it all, and rise up....

...Jay-Z rappin about throwin his son a black bar mitzvah and how sad it wud be if him and the baby moms got a divorce ain't shit

[Javier]

Well, uh, he's not serious about the bar mitzvahs.  That's just a joke after saying he's "cuttin' the time in half".  He's not talking about a divorce, he's talking about actually leaving his son.  Divorced/separated parents still have the damn option to see their kids.  Even if his mom is absolutely horrible, he's not gonna give a fuck and still see his kid. 

Anyways, You do realize how fucking corny it would be if Jay Z would all of a sudden become a conscious rapper?  Especially on album called, "Watch the Throne". 

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

Em's not a conscious rapper, but look at the depth of his work.  The dramatic picture he paints in his verse, and how he leaves himself vulnerable and exposed.

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I thought I had it all figured out I did/
i thought i was tough enough to stick it out with kim/
but i wasnt tough enough to juggle two things at once/
I found myself layin on my knees in cuffs/
which should of been enough for me to just leave/
knowin she wouldn't be there when I fell/
saw Gary stashin his heater in his
belt/
...the bouncers rush in and beat him to the ground
I can lose my freedom over no female/
I need to slow down and try to get my feet on solid ground"

Eminem - "Say Goodbye to Hollywood"

-shits on Jay-Z's whole career!   Compare that with a Jay-Z verse about his baby moms.  Em has the courage to put his whole life out there for the listeners, all his insecurities, its all out there on a first name basis.  Em puts his life into his art.  Jay can't come close to that.

[Chamillitary Click]

lol, you guys are such Jay-Z haters.

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

lol, you guys are such Jay-Z haters.

you just buy into the hype, and you will consume any shit thats shovelled down your throat

[Javier]

Maybe Jay-Z ain't that type of fucking dude that wants to talk about his personal life.  Maybe he's never had big as problems as Eminem had with Kim.  I just don't see how Jay-Z will get a pass for talking about his struggles, when he's one of the richest hip hop artists out there.  That shit is not gonna cut it and it will be lame. 


And if this quadruple meaning few lines Jay-Z had on Otis is shit, then I don't know what to tell ya

"Arm out the window through the city I maneuver slow
Cock back, snap back
See my cut through the holes"

1.  You can see his haircut on the back of his head because he's wearing a snap back
2.  Moving his car slowly but finding the holes to pass other cars in his Maybach
3.  Arm out the window with a gun, as in a driveby, cockback
4.  talking about a running back, after the QB snaps it back to him. A RB looks for holes and makes cuts. 


And this is Jay-Z way past his prime already. 

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

Wait so Jay isn't an emo rapper like Em or Pac? Wow that must mean he's trash. lol why is Brian in this thread? Kid hasn't even listened to the album.

[Chamillitary Click]

lol, you guys are such Jay-Z haters.

you just buy into the hype, and you will consume any shit thats shovelled down your throat

Yeah, that's why I really don't fuck with Jay-Z outside of like three albums. Blueprint not even being one of them; just never really got into it, despite is being one of his best albums.

This album is just dope. From the looks of it, you're just all mad that it's got some ego rap & some "I'm sooooo good & I'm the king of Hip Hop". You guys just don't want to hear it from somebody who doesn't live up to your dream (aka favorite dead rapper) emmce. Ala Lil' Wayne. But I mean, I've been seeing Jay-Z hate on here since I've joined here, so I've almost come to expect it.

Then people like you want to go act like there hasn't been dope Hip Hop since the 90's because you're close-minded ass rejects anything that isn't up to par with Illmatic, Me Against The World or The Marshall Mathers LP. Enjoy life & expand your tastes opposed to drowning yourself with the same four artists.

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

Rakim was never a deeply personal rapper either. Does that mean he's not a great? What about Cube? Big?