Is Jay-Z "realer" than 2Pac?

[Furor Teutonicus]

Great thread.

 



Only Euros would have these silly discussions, yeah. 

[V2DHeart]

A number of inacurate statements... 2Pac never said about the drugs thing previously mentioned when kids asked what to do if offered drugs. This was a women who said that, and was put on a documentary to show how out of touch politicians and people in authority were with the youth in society

Jay Z seems like a nice guy, and a brilliant business man, but being realer? I don't know. Jay Z spent like 2 million on a party, whereas 2Pac spent $200,000 on homeless people. 2Pac was affiliated around everythign he rapped about. He was in poverty, his mother screwing the local drug dealers for crack. He lived a worse life than Jay Z. Jay Z was able to use the West/East situation to his advantage. 2Pac was a bit of an idiot at times though and condradicted himself a lot, but he had more passion, and heart so his intentions were always more sincere than Jay's. Jay started out as a wannbe Italian mob rapper, but fk it his debut album was a classic and shyts on a lot of 2Pac albums (including his debut)

But for the thread starter to take a couple of quotes from interviews (when some aren't even true) to demonstrate his level of realness, it's a bit silly... Come on kid, we can spit out a ton of lines from Jay Z and make him look like whatever too

Both are different artists... Jay was for the boss man, business man suit and booted figure head... 2Pac was community orientated and the peoples champ

[HaHa]

I don't know how anyone can use the word "real" when describing anything tupac did.  Dude was always a follower.  He followed whatever trend was popular at the time to make money.  He started out as a "conscious" rapper, but by the early 90's that shit wasn't selling anymore.  On the other hand down south in LA rappers were making millions doing "gangsta" rap.  So what does tupac do?  He moves down to LA creates Thug Life, covers himself in tattoos, creates a whole new persona for himself.  And it only got worse from there.

[Jay Bananas]

I've always enjoyed Jay-Z's material more than Ballerina Shakur.

Jay might have flirted with non-truthfulness of how much money he made back in the day, but he never fed in to the cliche'd conscious MC bin like Pac did.
 Pac was also very poor at it.

If you truly want to rep your people, do so aspiring to big things, rather than whine about the white man and brag about all the Henny you drink. Pac never came off as real to me. More of an angry first year college kid who suddenly realizes the world isn't peachy clean, an idealist who isn't hip to the ways of the world. Putting himself out there and making an ass of himself.

[blunts40sbitches]

I don't know how anyone can use the word "real" when describing anything tupac did.  Dude was always a follower.  He followed whatever trend was popular at the time to make money.  He started out as a "conscious" rapper, but by the early 90's that shit wasn't selling anymore.  On the other hand down south in LA rappers were making millions doing "gangsta" rap.  So what does tupac do?  He moves down to LA creates Thug Life, covers himself in tattoos, creates a whole new persona for himself.  And it only got worse from there.

lol Pac never really did "Gangsta" rap......he rapped about MOB and what not because Suge actually put him onto that shit........I dont see his music as "gangsta" rap, its just music about what hes going through at the time, and at the time, he was caught up in alot of gangsta bullshit lol......when I see "gangsta" rap, I automatically picture one distinct culture/sound/movement, the gangbanging in dickies and chucks drinking 40 type of music.......and I never considered Pac as part of that......Pac also made conscious music even when he was with Death Row, its just that lot of that shit got shelved and released later after his death

[Chamillitary Click]

^You actually reminded me of that. Tupac basically coined "Money over bitches", yet made countless songs defending women saying men need to respect them. Quite contradicting.

[jaytee]

^You actually reminded me of that. Tupac basically coined "Money over bitches", yet made countless songs defending women saying men need to respect them. Quite contradicting.

It's not really a contradiction unless you equate all women to being bitches. 

[StreetsAllSalute]

Jays realer but Pac was a better artist end thread.

[Greenbrigade]

Lil Boosie >>> 2pac=Jay Z

[mlk93]

The difference for me is  when u hear a jay z joint u will say "he rip that shit" when u hear a tupac joint you will say " damn that's true "or "damn thats righ"t or"that's real shit right here".To me pac was a real artist  and a artist touch ur heart while jay z is a buisness man and a talented lyricist he touch ur pocket but not my heart . Like someone says tupac rep the community  he speaking the truth ( the street cat can relate to what he says even if it wasn't based on his life like brenda got a baby for example) and we can feal his emotion trought his music . even when he was beef u can feel his anger all this emotions was real.
But if i a consider the arguments some people was using here then snoop ( gangmember sell drugs went to jail had a murdercase) was realer than the both of them or even 50 , eminem ....

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

A number of inacurate statements... 2Pac never said about the drugs thing previously mentioned when kids asked what to do if offered drugs. This was a women who said that, and was put on a documentary to show how out of touch politicians and people in authority were with the youth in society

Jay Z seems like a nice guy, and a brilliant business man, but being realer? I don't know. Jay Z spent like 2 million on a party, whereas 2Pac spent $200,000 on homeless people. 2Pac was affiliated around everythign he rapped about. He was in poverty, his mother screwing the local drug dealers for crack. He lived a worse life than Jay Z. Jay Z was able to use the West/East situation to his advantage. 2Pac was a bit of an idiot at times though and condradicted himself a lot, but he had more passion, and heart so his intentions were always more sincere than Jay's. Jay started out as a wannbe Italian mob rapper, but fk it his debut album was a classic and shyts on a lot of 2Pac albums (including his debut)

But for the thread starter to take a couple of quotes from interviews (when some aren't even true) to demonstrate his level of realness, it's a bit silly... Come on kid, we can spit out a ton of lines from Jay Z and make him look like whatever too

Both are different artists... Jay was for the boss man, business man suit and booted figure head... 2Pac was community orientated and the peoples champ

Lmao at his mom screwing crack dealers. Your whole post is innaccurate. She worked as a paralegal for crying out loud. She wasn't so poor she couldn't get him a great education. He grew up in a community of Black Panthers where it was instilled in him to be somebody important. While Jay was on the corner dealing, this nigga was performing ballet, taking acting classes, and writing poetry. The truth is that Pac was given far more tools to succeed than Jay ever was, but his complete reinvention of his character fooled impressionable white teenagers from the suburbs into thinking he lived a miserable life.

As far as philanthropy, Jay-Z has done far more than Pac ever did. From touring in Africa, donating money there as well as giving a million for Hurricane Katrina and all his work for different communities. The guy's constantly doing charity. Lol @ acting like Pac didn't embrace the bling life as well. The nigga has a Pic of himself naked IN A BATHTUB COVERED IN GOLD.

[V2DHeart]

You're taking it too personal I think

Both 2Pac & Jay Z have a lot of front in their music. Jay's Reasonable Doubt is one big act, despite it being one of the greatest Hip Hop albums of all time. So you're telling me that 2Pac never lived a poor mans life? Come on dude, you know fine well that he did. Jay's mother was able to buy him a lot of music equipment when he was younger so as far as tools go, he had a good start too. 2Pac studying ballet, and acting and so on wasn't directly music on it's own. The black panthers were hardly a big strong force either when 2Pac was young. Anyone associated had great difficulty in obtaining jobs after the break down.

Jay Z has also made more money than 2Pac could have ever dreamt of, and has been around for 16 years. 2Pac was around fame for 4 years, and if you were actually carrying out a more precise answer by tallying everything up than hitting the forum with a bunch of big impact good will gestures you'd see on tabloids and find on any website, and score it all up in each of their charitable work between the 2. IE: Income V charitable outgoings, number of projects carried out in their "free/available" time as a percentage, and so on, and do a scoring on it, I think you'll find 2Pac would likely win hands down

A lot of these big money earners do charitable work for 2 reasons... 1) image and recognition for promotional advantages and 2) tax relief... Fact is that you can easily find what Jay Z does, whereas 2Pac done his charity on a quieter scale, a lot only coming to surface after his death

Reinvention of his character? What was that? Him appearing on 2pacalypse now with his goofy haircut, wack clothes, and rapping about political topics that had been drilled into him from his family and peers?? You want to talk about a reinvention of his character, and it's that wannabe gangster he portrayed during his Death Row days. An image Jay Z tried to play from the beginning - Only Jay's wasn't some LA gang member, it was some Scarface king Lucas of the world type shyt

[V2DHeart]

Great thread.

 



Only Euros would have these silly discussions, yeah. 

Ironic thing is, that that pic will be from the U.S.

[Chamillitary Click]

^Nope. White guys in this country are actually exposed to Black people & wouldn't go through the trouble of throwing gang signs up.

[K-MACC]

^Nope. White guys in this country are actually exposed to Black people & wouldn't go through the trouble of throwing gang signs up.

you know there are black people in europe dont you