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Re: [News] Wideawake Death Row Records plans for 2012
« Reply #50 on: January 03, 2012, 01:37:28 PM »
Doesn't address the quality issues  :-X
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Re: [News] Wideawake Death Row Records plans for 2012
« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2012, 05:31:32 PM »
Did Jewell Ever Drop That Album!?

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Re: [News] Wideawake Death Row Records plans for 2012
« Reply #52 on: January 03, 2012, 05:39:40 PM »
they soft duke...this is how i see deathrow now.


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Re: [News] Wideawake Death Row Records plans for 2012
« Reply #53 on: January 03, 2012, 11:18:32 PM »
I'm not making any excuses, but...

Sorry this is just simply a bad investment. I think at this point it is just trying to keep the losses at a minimum. People just don't buy rap cd's anymore, especially old death row material...that is just the way it is. I mean the reality is that the biggest fan base of this music product...they are all over the internet and everyone of them knows how to get it for free. The only people who will buy it are those who really want the hard copy in their collection, or the few who really feel like they should support wide awake.

they throw some more money into getting a better mixing/mastering job, its not like they will have some huge increase in sales. It will increase sales to an extent but I doubt it would even cover the extra costs of the better mixing/mastering.

Don't get me wrong, I really want the music to sound better, but I don't think it will happen unless some sound engineer decides to volunteer his time. Either that or they don't care about making profit, and they will pay someone and lose more money just to keep the music alive. I doubt that will happen. That is just the reality of the situtation.
The reality of the situation is they paid to buy a music catalog. It is not a bad investment to pay someone to mix the music right so the beat doesn't drown out the vocals. As bad as music sales are, there is still money in established material and with the right marketing, this could have gone on over pretty well. If it is not profitable to press CD's up, you don't do it at all. If you're going to do it and put promotion behind it, the music should be held to a certain quality expectation. Regardless of CD sales, by buying the catalog, they own the rights to everything Death Row. They're getting the publishing points on all those songs and albums. They can put out calenders, T-shirts, whatever the fuck they want with label logos and artist likenesses. Any time a movie wants to use music from that era, they get paid. Any time an artist samples production or song lyrics, that's a publishing check. With any reasonablly intelligent business person at the helm, this label should be making profit without even having to touch the unreleased stuff.

The mixing and mastering is less about increasing sales as it is satisfying the customers who already bought it. Is it coincidental that after the three big releases (Chronic Re-Lit, Snoop: Lost Sessions, DR Box Set), their releases went from Best Buy end caps to not being found in nearly any major retailers anywhere? Their stuff sounds like corner bodega CD-R bootleg stuff. If they were really trying to cut costs, they could go for the xerox black and white computer paper covers with misspelled song names. But then who would buy it? Is anyone seeing where I'm going with this? If they can afford the kind of packaging and artwork design they put into Relit and the Ultimate Death Row Collection, they can throw a few bucks into finding someone who knows how to make the ACTUAL MUSIC sound right. Why does the version of LBC Crew I got for free on this message board sound way better than the one I paid $15 for from the people who run a million-dollar company? Is it safe to assume that the majority of people on this board would rather have physical copies of these albums for the pretty artwork as opposed to an acceptable CDQ version of the music?



If it is that profitable of a business then why did they go bankrupt in the first place? Sorry, but I don't think there are lines of people ready to buy a deathrow calendar or t shirt. And Its not like they are making a ton of money off publishing by songs getting put in movies or other artists sampling their music. Again, if that were the case then the company wouldn't have gone bankrupt.

It doesn't matter what the company wants to do or what fans want. There simply is not enough customer base for them to sink more money into some unreleased material.

They very well could not even have enough cash flow to pay a quality person to do the mixing/mastering. I would bet anything that this company has lost money on every release.

I absolutely love the LBC crew album. I have wanted that album more than any other album. But I'm realistic...I don't care if they got the best sound engineer in the world to mix/master that album...it just is not going to add that many more sales. The customer base just isn't there, and for the small customer base that is there...well they can easily just get the music for free rather than pay for it.

The company is a sinking ship. It is not profitable, and I bet they file bankruptcy this year.
 

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Re: [News] Wideawake Death Row Records plans for 2012
« Reply #54 on: January 03, 2012, 11:35:01 PM »
I'm not making any excuses, but...

Sorry this is just simply a bad investment. I think at this point it is just trying to keep the losses at a minimum. People just don't buy rap cd's anymore, especially old death row material...that is just the way it is. I mean the reality is that the biggest fan base of this music product...they are all over the internet and everyone of them knows how to get it for free. The only people who will buy it are those who really want the hard copy in their collection, or the few who really feel like they should support wide awake.

they throw some more money into getting a better mixing/mastering job, its not like they will have some huge increase in sales. It will increase sales to an extent but I doubt it would even cover the extra costs of the better mixing/mastering.

Don't get me wrong, I really want the music to sound better, but I don't think it will happen unless some sound engineer decides to volunteer his time. Either that or they don't care about making profit, and they will pay someone and lose more money just to keep the music alive. I doubt that will happen. That is just the reality of the situtation.
The reality of the situation is they paid to buy a music catalog. It is not a bad investment to pay someone to mix the music right so the beat doesn't drown out the vocals. As bad as music sales are, there is still money in established material and with the right marketing, this could have gone on over pretty well. If it is not profitable to press CD's up, you don't do it at all. If you're going to do it and put promotion behind it, the music should be held to a certain quality expectation. Regardless of CD sales, by buying the catalog, they own the rights to everything Death Row. They're getting the publishing points on all those songs and albums. They can put out calenders, T-shirts, whatever the fuck they want with label logos and artist likenesses. Any time a movie wants to use music from that era, they get paid. Any time an artist samples production or song lyrics, that's a publishing check. With any reasonablly intelligent business person at the helm, this label should be making profit without even having to touch the unreleased stuff.

The mixing and mastering is less about increasing sales as it is satisfying the customers who already bought it. Is it coincidental that after the three big releases (Chronic Re-Lit, Snoop: Lost Sessions, DR Box Set), their releases went from Best Buy end caps to not being found in nearly any major retailers anywhere? Their stuff sounds like corner bodega CD-R bootleg stuff. If they were really trying to cut costs, they could go for the xerox black and white computer paper covers with misspelled song names. But then who would buy it? Is anyone seeing where I'm going with this? If they can afford the kind of packaging and artwork design they put into Relit and the Ultimate Death Row Collection, they can throw a few bucks into finding someone who knows how to make the ACTUAL MUSIC sound right. Why does the version of LBC Crew I got for free on this message board sound way better than the one I paid $15 for from the people who run a million-dollar company? Is it safe to assume that the majority of people on this board would rather have physical copies of these albums for the pretty artwork as opposed to an acceptable CDQ version of the music?



If it is that profitable of a business then why did they go bankrupt in the first place? Sorry, but I don't think there are lines of people ready to buy a deathrow calendar or t shirt. And Its not like they are making a ton of money off publishing by songs getting put in movies or other artists sampling their music. Again, if that were the case then the company wouldn't have gone bankrupt.

It doesn't matter what the company wants to do or what fans want. There simply is not enough customer base for them to sink more money into some unreleased material.

They very well could not even have enough cash flow to pay a quality person to do the mixing/mastering. I would bet anything that this company has lost money on every release.

I absolutely love the LBC crew album. I have wanted that album more than any other album. But I'm realistic...I don't care if they got the best sound engineer in the world to mix/master that album...it just is not going to add that many more sales. The customer base just isn't there, and for the small customer base that is there...well they can easily just get the music for free rather than pay for it.

The company is a sinking ship. It is not profitable, and I bet they file bankruptcy this year.

agreed. i dont see much interest in leftover death row material in the year 2012. i think its mostly just this board that has the issue with the sound quality. if nobody said anything i wouldnt have noticed and im willing to bet your average consumer is like me. that said its a completely valid complaint.

and also agreed about lbc crew album. my most wanted album ever.
 

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Re: [News] Wideawake Death Row Records plans for 2012
« Reply #55 on: January 04, 2012, 06:39:26 AM »
I'm not making any excuses, but...

Sorry this is just simply a bad investment. I think at this point it is just trying to keep the losses at a minimum. People just don't buy rap cd's anymore, especially old death row material...that is just the way it is. I mean the reality is that the biggest fan base of this music product...they are all over the internet and everyone of them knows how to get it for free. The only people who will buy it are those who really want the hard copy in their collection, or the few who really feel like they should support wide awake.

they throw some more money into getting a better mixing/mastering job, its not like they will have some huge increase in sales. It will increase sales to an extent but I doubt it would even cover the extra costs of the better mixing/mastering.

Don't get me wrong, I really want the music to sound better, but I don't think it will happen unless some sound engineer decides to volunteer his time. Either that or they don't care about making profit, and they will pay someone and lose more money just to keep the music alive. I doubt that will happen. That is just the reality of the situtation.
The reality of the situation is they paid to buy a music catalog. It is not a bad investment to pay someone to mix the music right so the beat doesn't drown out the vocals. As bad as music sales are, there is still money in established material and with the right marketing, this could have gone on over pretty well. If it is not profitable to press CD's up, you don't do it at all. If you're going to do it and put promotion behind it, the music should be held to a certain quality expectation. Regardless of CD sales, by buying the catalog, they own the rights to everything Death Row. They're getting the publishing points on all those songs and albums. They can put out calenders, T-shirts, whatever the fuck they want with label logos and artist likenesses. Any time a movie wants to use music from that era, they get paid. Any time an artist samples production or song lyrics, that's a publishing check. With any reasonablly intelligent business person at the helm, this label should be making profit without even having to touch the unreleased stuff.

The mixing and mastering is less about increasing sales as it is satisfying the customers who already bought it. Is it coincidental that after the three big releases (Chronic Re-Lit, Snoop: Lost Sessions, DR Box Set), their releases went from Best Buy end caps to not being found in nearly any major retailers anywhere? Their stuff sounds like corner bodega CD-R bootleg stuff. If they were really trying to cut costs, they could go for the xerox black and white computer paper covers with misspelled song names. But then who would buy it? Is anyone seeing where I'm going with this? If they can afford the kind of packaging and artwork design they put into Reality and the Ultimate Death Row Collection, they can throw a few bucks into finding someone who knows how to make the ACTUAL MUSIC sound right. Why does the version of LBC Crew I got for free on this message board sound way better than the one I paid $15 for from the people who run a million-dollar company? Is it safe to assume that the majority of people on this board would rather have physical copies of these albums for the pretty artwork as opposed to an acceptable CDQ version of the music?



If it is that profitable of a business then why did they go bankrupt in the first place? Sorry, but I don't think there are lines of people ready to buy a deathrow calendar or t shirt. And Its not like they are making a ton of money off publishing by songs getting put in movies or other artists sampling their music. Again, if that were the case then the company wouldn't have gone bankrupt.

It doesn't matter what the company wants to do or what fans want. There simply is not enough customer base for them to sink more money into some unreleased material.

They very well could not even have enough cash flow to pay a quality person to do the mixing/mastering. I would bet anything that this company has lost money on every release.

I absolutely love the LBC crew album. I have wanted that album more than any other album. But I'm realistic...I don't care if they got the best sound engineer in the world to mix/master that album...it just is not going to add that many more sales. The customer base just isn't there, and for the small customer base that is there...well they can easily just get the music for free rather than pay for it.

The company is a sinking ship. It is not profitable, and I bet they file bankruptcy this year.

agreed. i dont see much interest in leftover death row material in the year 2012. i think its mostly just this board that has the issue with the sound quality. if nobody said anything i wouldn't have noticed and im willing to bet your average consumer is like me. that said its a completely valid complaint.

and also agreed about lbc crew album. my most wanted album ever.

Anybody who listened to Snoop's Lost Sessions album (The companies first "new" release whichever way you look at it) had volume differences all over the album, some songs (most) sound like they came directly off a 1998 degraded bootleg that was ripped from a dusty cassette tape. This was the first of the many problems, and turned what was a potentially new and exiting company - One which initially advertised it's pledge to use all the best and future technology for it's sound, into an official low rent bootleg company avoided by fans, business partners and assisting artists alike.

Some say the bad sound quality doesn't matter. But for sound professionals like Snoop and Dr Dre, it most definitely does. They don't want their name put onto anything other than 100%, as it damages their own credibility and image. So those promosing relationships with the biggest names of Death Row were pretty much destroyed with Chronic Re-Lit, and Lost Sessions. A HUGE loss to the company. Then of course - the fan base they were building fell off pretty quickly after all the consistent sound muck ups, mistaken credit inlays, missing vocals, question marks at producer names, and so on and so on. 

They had plenty of opportunity to resolve the sound issues, they even had chances to build bridges with the smaller scale artists such as Crooked I, and Kurupt, but damaged those relationships too, by firing out material of Crooked I's that 99.9% of the fans already had that he didn't want put out, so they pretty much messed up big time with that one.

And the biggy, is when they started to bite the hand that fed them, by going after New Solutions Capital Inc, the company that gave them the money (or most of it) to buy the catalogue at the start






 
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Re: [News] Wideawake Death Row Records plans for 2012
« Reply #56 on: January 04, 2012, 07:04:20 AM »
What they should have done was

1) Set up web-team & street-team volunteers, and pay for Magazine and social networking ad space

2) re-introduce the existing catalouge with the new WideAwake stamp in consecutive order on a weekly basis (with additional bonus songs relating to that spesific release/or recorded around the same time as that release) with audio improvements, additional inlay pictures/artwork

3) Offer licensing & sampling at cheap rates to encourage new, modern and relevant artists to use their material

4) Build bridges, and relationships with former artists, producers, and general studio staff

5) Sign new acts
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Re: [News] Wideawake Death Row Records plans for 2012
« Reply #57 on: January 04, 2012, 07:08:02 AM »
They can say what they want but none of that shit was pulled from the masters directly. Yeah it came from the masters alright, then dubbed to a cassette back in the day and ripped later on in shittier quality. I'm getting tired of the bootlegging shell game. Give me the fucking music in crystal clear quality and I'll give you money. If not, fuck off, it ain't '97 anymore.
 

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Re: [News] Wideawake Death Row Records plans for 2012
« Reply #58 on: January 04, 2012, 11:27:42 AM »
what the hell is smoccin ?


wideawake should at least master their products right , the Efrain version of the LBC Crew album shits on the retail cd