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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #50 on: April 22, 2012, 08:27:27 PM »
U were too young to understand then

No you were the youngin back then. It's one of those bad songs that you like from your childhood because back then you were entertained by the simplest of things.


Yes and No.  I've always had an ear for good music so I've always been really quick to separate the dumb shit from the wack.  Back in the days 98-06 I always knew who to look for and what was hot and what wasn't.  In middle school EVERYBODY loved Lil Bow Wow, I hated it.  


But my case is a little different from most peoples, I've been making mixtapes since I was like 10-11 years old, if it's not hot then it ain't me.  But on the contrary I understand clearly why people love and hate shit I adore or find grotesque.


Bottom line being, this is a prime example of why Blacks shouldn't be letting everybody else write the history books [i definitely respect opo though].  Scroll back a year or two in this section, you'll find a few things you've forgotten about that make hlu remember again.  And not just here but other places too.  Time seems to be going by so fast but it's really not.  Hip Hop today is missing a few things but not what everybody else on the blogs and the frontline is talking about and it's not neccessarily what u think it is.  A lot of what it is is the way it's being presented and how quick alotta tha OGs and BGs are to talk about Money...a few rappers excluded.  Along with more melodic not neccessarily but definitely included instrumentals.  

You don't want blacks to let others write the history books? Then why do you support the fads that white businessmen push onto you? Shit, 2 years ago that was all you were posting about.

LOL.  Who do you think invented the dougie, or the (fill in the blank with a fad hip hop dance/saying)?  Not some exec.  Yeah they push it but cmon.
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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2012, 10:08:33 PM »
U were too young to understand then

No you were the youngin back then. It's one of those bad songs that you like from your childhood because back then you were entertained by the simplest of things.


Yes and No.  I've always had an ear for good music so I've always been really quick to separate the dumb shit from the wack.  Back in the days 98-06 I always knew who to look for and what was hot and what wasn't.  In middle school EVERYBODY loved Lil Bow Wow, I hated it.  


But my case is a little different from most peoples, I've been making mixtapes since I was like 10-11 years old, if it's not hot then it ain't me.  But on the contrary I understand clearly why people love and hate shit I adore or find grotesque.


Bottom line being, this is a prime example of why Blacks shouldn't be letting everybody else write the history books [i definitely respect opo though].  Scroll back a year or two in this section, you'll find a few things you've forgotten about that make hlu remember again.  And not just here but other places too.  Time seems to be going by so fast but it's really not.  Hip Hop today is missing a few things but not what everybody else on the blogs and the frontline is talking about and it's not neccessarily what u think it is.  A lot of what it is is the way it's being presented and how quick alotta tha OGs and BGs are to talk about Money...a few rappers excluded.  Along with more melodic not neccessarily but definitely included instrumentals.  

You don't want blacks to let others write the history books? Then why do you support the fads that white businessmen push onto you? Shit, 2 years ago that was all you were posting about.

LOL.  Who do you think invented the dougie, or the (fill in the blank with a fad hip hop dance/saying)?  Not some exec.  Yeah they push it but cmon.

They aren't creating it, but they are getting to pick and choose what type of music floods the airwaves.
 

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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #52 on: April 22, 2012, 10:10:38 PM »
But at the end of the day, if you fuck with underground artists & love their music. Why do you need them to sell 10 million copies?

It would be nice to not have to hang out at forums to talk to people about music.
 

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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #53 on: April 22, 2012, 10:37:54 PM »
But at the end of the day, if you fuck with underground artists & love their music. Why do you need them to sell 10 million copies?

It would be nice to not have to hang out at forums to talk to people about music.

It still has no relation to the state of Hip Hop. Plenty of good music out there.

Plus, a lot of those underground acts couldn't hold it down as the face of the genre. A lot of them have a similar sound. Yeah, most of them have dope flows & lyrics. But take the big names; Lil' Wayne, Eminem, Drake, Kanye, Jay-Z. You know what they all have in common? They have unique sounds. A unique style about them. Sure, adapted from others, but it's done in a way that makes them stand out. Even their personalities sell. It's just not fair in the game.
 

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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #54 on: April 23, 2012, 12:30:55 AM »
But at the end of the day, if you fuck with underground artists & love their music. Why do you need them to sell 10 million copies?

It would be nice to not have to hang out at forums to talk to people about music.

It still has no relation to the state of Hip Hop. Plenty of good music out there.

Plus, a lot of those underground acts couldn't hold it down as the face of the genre. A lot of them have a similar sound. Yeah, most of them have dope flows & lyrics. But take the big names; Lil' Wayne, Eminem, Drake, Kanye, Jay-Z. You know what they all have in common? They have unique sounds. A unique style about them. Sure, adapted from others, but it's done in a way that makes them stand out. Even their personalities sell. It's just not fair in the game.

Completely disagree. Mainstream hip hop is pretty much the definition of a "similar sound." There's always one sound that's hot and has everyone trying to sound like that. And aside from Lil Wayne and Drake, aren't you naming the rappers that everyone respects? How do you explain all the other generic rappers with boring personalities that get churned out of the machine? If Rick Ross can be a force in hip hop, then really any rapper can.
 

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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #55 on: April 23, 2012, 09:50:24 AM »
^"Ugh". That basically sums it up.
 

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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #56 on: April 23, 2012, 10:07:59 AM »
If Rick Ross can be a force in hip hop, then really any rapper can.

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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #57 on: April 23, 2012, 03:39:20 PM »
U were too young to understand then
OG Rapsodie is right that no one gives a fuck about Get Low or lil Jon anymore.  the truth is Dude is the definition of flash in the pan. Son came through with one sound that was hot for a second until people got bored of it. He will never be a great producer or a legend.
 

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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #58 on: April 23, 2012, 04:57:31 PM »
the same muthafuckas on this thread is the same muthafuckas goin' to buy nicki, ross,wayne,etc. if muthafuckas didn't buy and support that wack shit the label would drop em and sign somethin' official. this shit ain't peakin' because all the idiots are co signin' this shit. there was a time when u could hear big l and o.c. on the radio and puff at the same time. now it's watered down like a muthafucka. the bitch nicki had 10 million followers on twitter !?!?!?!?!?! shit's crazy.

I'd almost put five hundred dollars that nobody from this website went out & bought "Tha Carter III" or "Pink Friday". Music changes, get over it.

You enjoy the music, right? What the fuck do you care what sells? What gets pushed? & you're a hypocrite yourself because you supported T.I.'s music when he had singles like "Whatever You Like". Shit like that doing good is the reason why labels changed direction from the Tupac/Biggie sound to what we have. But at the end of the day, if you fuck with underground artists & love their music. Why do you need them to sell 10 million copies?
i support tip's music because i have since trap muzik and that won't change. t.i.'s made song for the bitches since i'm serious and lyrically he is a force in hip hop whether YOU like it or not. dude's on his 8th album and still dope as ever...he doin' somethin' right.
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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #59 on: April 23, 2012, 05:36:44 PM »
the same muthafuckas on this thread is the same muthafuckas goin' to buy nicki, ross,wayne,etc. if muthafuckas didn't buy and support that wack shit the label would drop em and sign somethin' official. this shit ain't peakin' because all the idiots are co signin' this shit. there was a time when u could hear big l and o.c. on the radio and puff at the same time. now it's watered down like a muthafucka. the bitch nicki had 10 million followers on twitter !?!?!?!?!?! shit's crazy.

I'd almost put five hundred dollars that nobody from this website went out & bought "Tha Carter III" or "Pink Friday". Music changes, get over it.

You enjoy the music, right? What the fuck do you care what sells? What gets pushed? & you're a hypocrite yourself because you supported T.I.'s music when he had singles like "Whatever You Like". Shit like that doing good is the reason why labels changed direction from the Tupac/Biggie sound to what we have. But at the end of the day, if you fuck with underground artists & love their music. Why do you need them to sell 10 million copies?
i support tip's music because i have since trap muzik and that won't change. t.i.'s made song for the bitches since i'm serious and lyrically he is a force in hip hop whether YOU like it or not. dude's on his 8th album and still dope as ever...he doin' somethin' right.
say what u want about t.i. i'll put him up against any of your favorite emcees any day. and the underground don't need the radio dummy. a lot of them is eating better than some niggas on a major. the labels push bulllshit because shit for brains muthafuckas like you wanna hear it. if muthafuckas want quality shit stop supporting the wack shit.
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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2012, 06:31:59 PM »
I don't get it. I'm saying that it doesn't matter because I'm going to listen to Slaughterhouse & Quest & non-mainstream guys anyway. They don't need to go triple-platinum for me think any different of them.
 

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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #61 on: April 23, 2012, 11:41:09 PM »
Execs pedal what people will be willing to buy.  If anything, the buying public needs to stop supporting crap and the crap will be less prevalent.
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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #62 on: April 25, 2012, 11:05:22 AM »
You are more likely to buy the music you hear every day aka what's pumping out the radio. Not all of the population is going to go out of their way to search for new music online. And even those that do like us, at best we listen to a song once and have to decide whether we like it enough to keep it after one listen. Versus hearing it play over and over again and getting the tune stuck in your head.
 

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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #63 on: April 27, 2012, 11:13:37 PM »
You are more likely to buy the music you hear every day aka what's pumping out the radio. Not all of the population is going to go out of their way to search for new music online. And even those that do like us, at best we listen to a song once and have to decide whether we like it enough to keep it after one listen. Versus hearing it play over and over again and getting the tune stuck in your head.

This is a chicken/egg question. 

Bottom line is if people would have better taste we'd all benefit.  Which yes, would take initiative and thought on the part of customers.
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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #64 on: April 27, 2012, 11:18:31 PM »
You are more likely to buy the music you hear every day aka what's pumping out the radio. Not all of the population is going to go out of their way to search for new music online. And even those that do like us, at best we listen to a song once and have to decide whether we like it enough to keep it after one listen. Versus hearing it play over and over again and getting the tune stuck in your head.

This is a chicken/egg question. 

Bottom line is if people would have better taste we'd all benefit.  Which yes, would take initiative and thought on the part of customers.

The reality is people have the taste of what is fed to them. Take today's mainstream hip hop audience and plop them in the 80s or 90s, they'd still love whatever's hot. You can't like a type of music you aren't exposed to.
 

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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #65 on: April 28, 2012, 01:21:28 AM »
You are more likely to buy the music you hear every day aka what's pumping out the radio. Not all of the population is going to go out of their way to search for new music online. And even those that do like us, at best we listen to a song once and have to decide whether we like it enough to keep it after one listen. Versus hearing it play over and over again and getting the tune stuck in your head.

This is a chicken/egg question. 

Bottom line is if people would have better taste we'd all benefit.  Which yes, would take initiative and thought on the part of customers.

The reality is people have the taste of what is fed to them. Take today's mainstream hip hop audience and plop them in the 80s or 90s, they'd still love whatever's hot. You can't like a type of music you aren't exposed to.

Of course you cant like music you arent exposed to.  But how you are exposed to music is up to the listener.  For example, will you sit and watch mtv, or fuse tv, or vh1, or vh1 classic, or youtube or the radio, or go to a record shop, or scower the internet.  Everyone has choices.
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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #66 on: April 28, 2012, 12:27:53 PM »
You are more likely to buy the music you hear every day aka what's pumping out the radio. Not all of the population is going to go out of their way to search for new music online. And even those that do like us, at best we listen to a song once and have to decide whether we like it enough to keep it after one listen. Versus hearing it play over and over again and getting the tune stuck in your head.

This is a chicken/egg question.  

Bottom line is if people would have better taste we'd all benefit.  Which yes, would take initiative and thought on the part of customers.

The reality is people have the taste of what is fed to them. Take today's mainstream hip hop audience and plop them in the 80s or 90s, they'd still love whatever's hot. You can't like a type of music you aren't exposed to.

Of course you cant like music you arent exposed to.  But how you are exposed to music is up to the listener.  For example, will you sit and watch mtv, or fuse tv, or vh1, or vh1 classic, or youtube or the radio, or go to a record shop, or scower the internet.  Everyone has choices.

It's not really up to the listener. I don't pursue commercial music, yet I'm still exposed to all the biggest songs. Whether walking through a mall or going to club or really doing anything outside my house. It's impossible to avoid. Some of these songs I don't even like at first, yet hearing it over and over again makes it catchy and it sticks in my head. Now compare that to an artist or band not being pushed by a major label. First I have to hear about the artist from some source, whether by on a forum or skimming through music blogs. Then I have to seek the music out on my own and a lot of times download it illegally before I get a chance to hear it. Now add onto that the fact the music has to make an immediate impression for me to keep listening to it, or I'll move onto something else. The level of exposure is like comparing night and day.

You know the classic records that we rave about and wax nostalgic? If those albums had never been pushed by a major, we wouldn't even be talking about them. That's how big an influence the media has. If you looked into the history behind some of our biggest singles, you'll read stories about how a lot of these songs were put out and went ignored for years, until one random dude at a radio station decided to add it to his playlist. I don't think that kind of situation is even possible anymore, since djs have no freedom anymore and everyone is given the same playlist. It makes you wonder what type of songs missed the chance to be a part of history because they were never heard.
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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #67 on: April 28, 2012, 01:52:12 PM »
Well then you are proving my point.  If you like what you hear, then people who push this music have successfully marketed their product to someone who would buy and or like it.  If someone doesnt like something, then hearing it over and over shouldnt make you like it more, if anything, it should make you dislike it even more.  That is if said person can think for him/herself.  Of course theres a section of people (kids, dumb adults) who are gonna like whatever you put on their plate all the time, but thats not the majority of people.  People like what they like.

And as for the old stuff we all like, that was a completely different time.  There was no internet, music blogs, napster, kazaa, torrents, mp3 downloading, rapidshare.  Your point would work like 15 yrs ago, but not now.  The main difference:  choice and avenues to get that choice.
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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #68 on: April 28, 2012, 04:45:26 PM »
Well then you are proving my point.  If you like what you hear, then people who push this music have successfully marketed their product to someone who would buy and or like it.  If someone doesnt like something, then hearing it over and over shouldnt make you like it more, if anything, it should make you dislike it even more.

Wrong. People change opinion all the time. Hence the phrase "It grows on you." People can and are brainwashed by what they are exposed to.

The internet may be all good, but putting a song online isn't exposure when there's millions of songs online. How many people are you reaching by putting a file up on rapidshare? Nothing in comparison to a song getting a couple few on the radio. You're blind if you think the level of exposure is even remotely the same.
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« Reply #69 on: April 28, 2012, 04:56:34 PM »
Well then you are proving my point.  If you like what you hear, then people who push this music have successfully marketed their product to someone who would buy and or like it.  If someone doesnt like something, then hearing it over and over shouldnt make you like it more, if anything, it should make you dislike it even more.

Wrong. People change opinion all the time. Hence the phrase "It grows on you." People can and are brainwashed by what they are exposed to.

The internet may be all good, but putting a song online isn't exposure when there's millions of songs online. How many people are you reaching by putting a file up on rapidshare? Nothing in comparison to a song getting a couple few on the radio. You're blind if you think the level of exposure is even remotely the same.

I highly doubt that just because i hear a lady gaga song i clearly dislike at the gym, at some club, and in someones car on the radio that it will "grow on me".  Then again, i do not have applesauce-like mush for a brain. 

But, people like this kind of music so it sells.  Therefore, executives dish it out.  Theres no actual hypnotic qualities in the bitch's music that force people to buy it.
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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #70 on: April 29, 2012, 01:48:30 PM »
Well then you are proving my point.  If you like what you hear, then people who push this music have successfully marketed their product to someone who would buy and or like it.  If someone doesnt like something, then hearing it over and over shouldnt make you like it more, if anything, it should make you dislike it even more.

Wrong. People change opinion all the time. Hence the phrase "It grows on you." People can and are brainwashed by what they are exposed to.

The internet may be all good, but putting a song online isn't exposure when there's millions of songs online. How many people are you reaching by putting a file up on rapidshare? Nothing in comparison to a song getting a couple few on the radio. You're blind if you think the level of exposure is even remotely the same.

I highly doubt that just because i hear a lady gaga song i clearly dislike at the gym, at some club, and in someones car on the radio that it will "grow on me".  Then again, i do not have applesauce-like mush for a brain. 

But, people like this kind of music so it sells.  Therefore, executives dish it out.  Theres no actual hypnotic qualities in the bitch's music that force people to buy it.

People like this music because its what they're exposed to. It's a psychological response. If you can't understand that then read up on the subject. I know there's several books written about it.
 

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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #71 on: April 29, 2012, 01:53:03 PM »
Isn't "Ice, Ice, Baby" & "Hammer Time" two of the top selling songs the genre has ever had? And niggas wanna act like it's worse than imaginable now. It's just a different style most of you thirty year olds can't vibe with.

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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #72 on: April 29, 2012, 03:25:08 PM »
people will always hate on present hip hop. this year has had releases from Big K.R.I.T., THEESatisfaction, ScHoolboy Q, Quakers, Brother Ali, Action Bronson, Gangrene, Wiz Khalifa, Saigon, Rick Ross, T.I., Reks, Homeboy Sandman & Chip That Ripper and its not even May. No idea how that can be a bad year in hip hop.
 

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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #73 on: April 29, 2012, 03:37:51 PM »
people will always hate on present hip hop. this year has had releases from Big K.R.I.T., THEESatisfaction, ScHoolboy Q, Quakers, Brother Ali, Action Bronson, Gangrene, Wiz Khalifa, Saigon, Rick Ross, T.I., Reks, Homeboy Sandman & Chip That Ripper and its not even May. No idea how that can be a bad year in hip hop.
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Re: Hip hop peaked in the mid 90s
« Reply #74 on: April 30, 2012, 12:00:25 AM »
Well then you are proving my point.  If you like what you hear, then people who push this music have successfully marketed their product to someone who would buy and or like it.  If someone doesnt like something, then hearing it over and over shouldnt make you like it more, if anything, it should make you dislike it even more.

Wrong. People change opinion all the time. Hence the phrase "It grows on you." People can and are brainwashed by what they are exposed to.

The internet may be all good, but putting a song online isn't exposure when there's millions of songs online. How many people are you reaching by putting a file up on rapidshare? Nothing in comparison to a song getting a couple few on the radio. You're blind if you think the level of exposure is even remotely the same.

I highly doubt that just because i hear a lady gaga song i clearly dislike at the gym, at some club, and in someones car on the radio that it will "grow on me".  Then again, i do not have applesauce-like mush for a brain. 

But, people like this kind of music so it sells.  Therefore, executives dish it out.  Theres no actual hypnotic qualities in the bitch's music that force people to buy it.

People like this music because its what they're exposed to. It's a psychological response. If you can't understand that then read up on the subject. I know there's several books written about it.

Is it not someones choice when they choose to listen to the radio and watch video channels that play only the same kind of stuff?  Of course it is.
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