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Re: Dogg Pound - "Doggy Bag" (2012, Wideawake)
« Reply #125 on: May 10, 2012, 11:14:42 PM »

-killing a double platinum studio enviornment trying to be the next Nino Brown...

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Re: Dogg Pound - "Doggy Bag" (2012, Wideawake)
« Reply #126 on: May 10, 2012, 11:55:18 PM »
man fuck Suge Knight....he over-managed Death Row...he was a fuckin control freak. He made a ton of fucked up business mistakes and thats why he doen't own the company any more.  He controled everything and had no talent amd no clue how to run a record label... heres a short list of some of his biggest fuck ups IMO (and im sure there are more:

You do realize that Death Row was NEVER as successful as it was when Suge wasn't around right? Compare 92-96 to the Keita Rock era. Then compare 01-04 to the Wideawake Era. People can hate on Suge all they want but the dude knew what he was doing.





-didnt sign Warren G
Having Regulate as a Death Row release would've looked good for the catalogue but he would've never got a release date. Plus Dre didn't work with him

-never released Dre / Rage album
Yeah that pesky All Eyez On Me album got in the way

-never released a Nate Dogg album
Actually it got released but got pulled for whatever reason

-stopped Dre from making Chronic II
Lmao really? Dre refused to work. Pac and a few others spoke on Dre's horrible work ethic in those days.

-never released Dre / RBX album
Yeah that pesky Doggystyle album got in thew ay

-scrapped Dogg Shit
Contract issues. Kurupt wasn't on Death Row anymore. Antra didn't want their biggest artist doing an album for another label

-stopped his artists from working with other on artists not on Death Row
I wouldn't say he stopped them. Those old labels (Ruthless, Death Row, No Limit, Cash Money) all did things in-house cuz they had so much talent

-didnt sign Soopafly, Domino or LBC Crew but signed other unknown groups (who the fuck is OFTB?)
Soopafly and LBC Crew were signed through Doggystyle/Death Row. You're mad at Snoop - not Suge. Agree on OFTB tho.

-only releasing like one / two albums a year when everything Death Row touched was platinum
So we're mad at Suge for choosing quality > quantity? You have to give the people time to miss you. Besides remember when Master P released an ablum once a month from his artist? Most of them sucked balls

-killing a multi platinum studio enviornment trying to be the next Nino Brown...
Sad but very true =(

-not kissing Dre's ass and doing whatever it took to keep him & Snooop at Death Row
I think he had the option of keeping Snoop but Snoop without Dre was very Pau Gasol-ish: depressed, unmotivated, and a shell of his old self. He was a fool for not doing whatever it took to keep Dre. He should've paid him, bought him whatever, whatever it took. But on the flipside, if Dre was truely refusing to work then he probably felt it was a lost investment and rolled the dice on Daz, Quik, Johnny J, Barney Ruble, Kurt Cobain, etc being able to keep the DR sound going

-thinking he was bigger than Dre & Snoop when they made Death Row relevant...
Also true. He wasn't all over the videos and songs like Puffy but he very much tried to make himself the face of the label and give himself a mafia boss type image which was unnecessary

-Killing 2Pac...
Stoppit. The whole Suge setup Pac shit was the WORST theory. NO ONE is risky enough to hire a shooter to shoot someone sitting in their passanger seat. Besides did you hear what that retired LAPD officer said recently? He said Suge was so upset about 2Pac's murder that he orchestrated the eventual murder of Biggie


the reason there are so many leftovers and there is so much unreleased material is because Suge never relealized what the fuck he really had and didn't know shit about running a record label...i mean really how the fuck do you go belly up and bankrupt when you got Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg, 2Pac, Tha Dogg Pound, Jodeci, DJ Quik, Nate Dogg, DJ Pooh, Warren G etc all in the studio and all in their prime? sheer fucking stupidity...so again from the bottom of my heart...fuck Suge Knight...

The reason there are so many leftovers is because they had like 30 artist signed at the same time. And although a lot of the unreleased material is dope, its not like those projects are fucking with the classics that were released. They're actually overhyped cuz they're overdesired. We hear about these songs from our favorite artist that we've never heard and we want them. Trust me those LBC Crew, 2nd II None, Nate Dogg, Lady of Rage, etc projects would've just watered down Death Row's epic run. Plus you have to give him credit for the albums he DIDN'T release: Top Dogg, Tha Realest, SKG, hell even that wackass SHTTBG album.

I do wish in the Keita Rock era they would've released more underground type projects. Like that first Relativez album "Dirty Money" should've been a Death Row album.
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Re: Dogg Pound - "Doggy Bag" (2012, Wideawake)
« Reply #127 on: May 11, 2012, 06:52:22 AM »
man fuck Suge Knight....he over-managed Death Row...he was a fuckin control freak. He made a ton of fucked up business mistakes and thats why he doen't own the company any more.  He controled everything and had no talent amd no clue how to run a record label... heres a short list of some of his biggest fuck ups IMO (and im sure there are more:

You do realize that Death Row was NEVER as successful as it was when Suge wasn't around right? Compare 92-96 to the Keita Rock era. Then compare 01-04 to the Wideawake Era. People can hate on Suge all they want but the dude knew what he was doing.

You mean to say Death Row wasn't as successful after Suge had ran it into the ground and chased away his star roster? Oh okay.
 

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Re: Dogg Pound - "Doggy Bag" (2012, Wideawake)
« Reply #128 on: May 11, 2012, 08:26:03 AM »
man fuck Suge Knight....he over-managed Death Row...he was a fuckin control freak. He made a ton of fucked up business mistakes and thats why he doen't own the company any more.  He controled everything and had no talent amd no clue how to run a record label... heres a short list of some of his biggest fuck ups IMO (and im sure there are more:

You do realize that Death Row was NEVER as successful as it was when Suge wasn't around right? Compare 92-96 to the Keita Rock era. Then compare 01-04 to the Wideawake Era. People can hate on Suge all they want but the dude knew what he was doing.

You mean to say Death Row wasn't as successful after Suge had ran it into the ground and chased away his star roster? Oh okay.

If Keita Rock was there, on Death Row Records, Big Hutch was the VP. Daz lead some Death Row projects after the succeful years of Death Row. But when he left Suge Kinght and didn't make any contract for a distribution deal between Death Row Records & Dogg Pound Records, a lot of guyz lead the label's projects  (Reggie Devell Moore, or then KeitaRock Gotti...) but in 2000 Cold 187Um was here (he began to produce Crooked I) & start "Until The End Of Time" as Death Row Records Vice President. So there wasn't a Keita Rock era even if he was there and discover S(uge) K(night)G(irl) with Reg ;)

About Suge Knight, he managed Death Row Records releases very well (but not alone, for exmple, Pappa G). During the first years of Death Row Records, nobody don't give a shhh about Jewell, Danny Boy, O.F.T.B... even if they recorded some quality material over good productions. Dr Dre, then Snoop Doggy Dogg, then Tha Dogg Pound, then 2Pac. Some artists didn't success to release any albums, and it was perfect. Now, some die-hard-fans want to listen thangs like Bloody Mary and more shhh...

WIDEawake only manage a catalog.
I only hope "Doggy Bag" to be as perfect as The L.B.C. Crew album (although it was a complete project in 1995).
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« Reply #129 on: May 11, 2012, 09:41:55 AM »
man fuck Suge Knight....he over-managed Death Row...he was a fuckin control freak. He made a ton of fucked up business mistakes and thats why he doen't own the company any more.  He controled everything and had no talent amd no clue how to run a record label... heres a short list of some of his biggest fuck ups IMO (and im sure there are more:

You do realize that Death Row was NEVER as successful as it was when Suge wasn't around right? Compare 92-96 to the Keita Rock era. Then compare 01-04 to the Wideawake Era. People can hate on Suge all they want but the dude knew what he was doing.

You mean to say Death Row wasn't as successful after Suge had ran it into the ground and chased away his star roster? Oh okay.

If Keita Rock was there, on Death Row Records, Big Hutch was the VP. Daz lead some Death Row projects after the succeful years of Death Row. But when he left Suge Kinght & don't make any contract for a distribution deal between Death Row Records & Dogg Pound Records, a lot of guyz lead the label's projects  (Reggie Devell Moore, or then KeitaRock Gotti...) but in 2000 Cold 187Um was here (he began to produce Crooked I) & start "Until The End Of Time" as Death Row Records Vice President. So there wasn't a Keita Rock era even if he was there and discover S(uge) K(night)G(irl) with Reg ;)

About Suge Knight, he manage Death Row Records releases very well (but not alone, for exmple, Pappa G). During the first years of Death Row Records, nobody don't give a shhh about Jewell, Danny Boy, O.F.T.B... even if they recorded some quality material over good productions. Dr Dre, then Snoop Doggy Dogg, then Tha Dogg Pound, then 2Pac. Some artists didn't success any albums and it was perfect. Now, some die-hard-fans want to listen thangs like Bloody Mary and more shhh...

WIDEawake only manage a catalog.
I only hope "Doggy Bag" to be as perfect as The L.B.C. Crew album (although it was a complete project in 1995).

What are you talking about? Keita Rock was the VP of the label before Kurupt signed back and was the one that headed the Too Gangsta For Radio album.
 

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Re: Dogg Pound - "Doggy Bag" (2012, Wideawake)
« Reply #130 on: May 11, 2012, 09:43:45 AM »

the reason there are so many leftovers and there is so much unreleased material is because Suge never relealized what the fuck he really had until it was gone

Any label that is or used to be a big deal has tons of material locked in their vaults. Death Row is no exception. Do you really believe No Limit, Bad Boy and Cash Money release most of their recorded material?
 

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Re: Dogg Pound - "Doggy Bag" (2012, Wideawake)
« Reply #131 on: May 11, 2012, 10:24:32 AM »
man fuck Suge Knight....he over-managed Death Row...he was a fuckin control freak. He made a ton of fucked up business mistakes and thats why he doen't own the company any more.  He controled everything and had no talent amd no clue how to run a record label... heres a short list of some of his biggest fuck ups IMO (and im sure there are more:

You do realize that Death Row was NEVER as successful as it was when Suge wasn't around right? Compare 92-96 to the Keita Rock era. Then compare 01-04 to the Wideawake Era. People can hate on Suge all they want but the dude knew what he was doing.
yeah he made the label go bankrupt.

This tape rip is from 2010-- not back in the day.

It leaked on a tape put on the TROY Blog:

http://www.thetroyblog.com/2010/08/26/death-row-%E2%80%9Cdemos-rough-mixes%E2%80%9D/


This rip is MUCH better than the old school one. This one is listenable (full disclosure: I polished it up a bit). It leaked along with the alternate version of "Niggaz Don't Give a Fuck" (which I tweaked a bit too)
http://uploading.com/files/e3m6e6e9/Untitled1-64.mp3/
(and here's an alt link for the "Doggystyle" above)
http://uploading.com/files/d55m523b/Untitled1-63.mp3/
thanks a lot for Niggaz dont give a fuck! the vocals sound much clearer :)
by the way, i've asked this a billion times before, but somehow you haven't responded yet. could you finally upload your tweaked version of the Out the moon remix (LBC Crew)?

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Re: Dogg Pound - "Doggy Bag" (2012, Wideawake)
« Reply #132 on: May 12, 2012, 12:37:53 PM »
tweaked?  like Lights tweaked?
 

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Re: Dogg Pound - "Doggy Bag" (2012, Wideawake)
« Reply #133 on: May 12, 2012, 12:39:04 PM »

I only hope "Doggy Bag" to be as perfect as The L.B.C. Crew album (although it was a complete project in 1995).


yes, but better quality.
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Re: Dogg Pound - "Doggy Bag" (2012, Wideawake)
« Reply #134 on: May 12, 2012, 12:42:41 PM »
man fuck Suge Knight....he over-managed Death Row...he was a fuckin control freak. He made a ton of fucked up business mistakes and thats why he doen't own the company any more.  He controled everything and had no talent amd no clue how to run a record label... heres a short list of some of his biggest fuck ups IMO (and im sure there are more:

You do realize that Death Row was NEVER as successful as it was when Suge wasn't around right? Compare 92-96 to the Keita Rock era. Then compare 01-04 to the Wideawake Era. People can hate on Suge all they want but the dude knew what he was doing.
yeah he made the label go bankrupt.

Suge didn't make the label go bankrupt. The death of 2Pac (which was his own fault), the lack of Dr Dre (down to daz) were strong factors.. Not to mention the original funding of the label that was under investigation, the lawsuits from the Harris's, and the political pressure that made Interscope back out, and others stay clear were also primary factors that made the label go down the tubes.
Suge is just the figure head, and blame guy. Was he wrong for trying to get celebrity status as a "gangster" figure. Sure, but that was no reason the label went down... If anything, his actions and attitude were the only thing that allowed Death Row to launch, and flourish as long as it did.... He fought for Death Row to own it's own masters, for artists - BLACK rappers to get the best legal assistance (something unheard of previously) and had the funds to put out huge albums, lots of big videos for that time (Natural Born Killaz) and basically put his finger up when Political figures tried to weigh in.

I think today - The current Suge looks bitter and sad, and a huge part of that is because he never really sold out, and watched others IE: Snoop on No limit, and doing his colgate ad's and pimp fancy dress, and Dre doing no cuss then "gangsta" re-hash, and making a lot of money because of it, while he continued to try and put out real raw material IE; Too Gangsta 4 TV celebrity beat downs, OFTB, hard rap and so on and have no one want to put it out, yet put a ton of money behind a watered down Dre or Snoop, and even 2Pac (Ghetto Gospel)

Suge is the blame guy for a lot on here, but people need to remember that whilst everyone jumped ship and bailed - Including all the advisors, lawyers, accountants as well as the rappers and producers, he still stayed, still scouted for talent, still got some out of shytty deals, and even helped those on other labels negotiate better deals for themselves for no slef-profit... & lets not forget others who still went to him when they didn't need to - Lisa "Left Eye" Lopez, Ja Rule, Petey Pablo, and people like Kurupt and Danny Boy who returned. Why would they all go to him if he was so bad? People can't see that the label was blackballed for all the wrong reasons
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Re: Dogg Pound - "Doggy Bag" (2012, Wideawake)
« Reply #135 on: May 12, 2012, 12:59:44 PM »
I kinda agree with the guy above. It's incredible how Left Eye went and sign with Suge if he was that type of muthafucka
 

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Re: Dogg Pound - "Doggy Bag" (2012, Wideawake)
« Reply #136 on: May 12, 2012, 01:08:33 PM »
its clear that Suge ain't suckin no dick or pussy
 

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Re: Dogg Pound - "Doggy Bag" (2012, Wideawake)
« Reply #137 on: May 12, 2012, 01:16:39 PM »
its clear that Suge ain't suckin no dick

if he was he'd be in the Lamb Crew
 

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Re: Dogg Pound - "Doggy Bag" (2012, Wideawake)
« Reply #138 on: May 12, 2012, 01:22:10 PM »
He was the guy that corporate America simply didn't want climbing the ranks because he was a serious threat to their corrupt politics. He wanted to take Death Row to an entire different coast and duplicate the money while still keeping it BLACK owned.

They were fine with Suge being able to get these artists to put out the music, and make them a lot more money than what Suge or Death Row did. But as soon as they saw that he was prepared to move the label to new heights, and secure it's place, and wasn't as stupid as people thought he was, they needed to get rid of him quick, and with anyone who comes up from the streets, it's real easy to get rid of them economically, or legally.

They gave back to the streets, and quietly at that too.. Can you guys find any pictures on the net of a bus full of teens going to see their incarcerated family behind bars funded by Death Row? The sporting teams with uniforms and equipment bought by Death Row? The mothers days, the summer BBQ's, the xmas hand outs on the streets??? You know why? Because they meant every bit of it. The label lived it to it's image in terms of "street/hood label".... Now how many corporate label do you know who do the above??? Any thing they put their name to is done so in a manner that is carried out to ensure their name is advertised through out a charity event, or has some promotional agenda. Madonna adopting 1 black hungry child but failing to arrive to pick the child up until the media press helicopter had arrived despite her being in the area an hour beforehand. Leona Lewis going to Kenya to take pictures with sick kids all smiling, even though she only arrived for 5 minutes to "meet and greet" while a non profit team beforehand done all the leg work and graft for the project, and that was you guessed it - before her album release. Death Row actually done it legitimately without the BS.

Death Row simply done it for the love, and white corporate America hated that because with they knew that Death Row would have huge support from the streets, and that kind of support (see John Lennon) meant "voters" influence, and as soon as 2Pac came on board, the label had to be brought down one way or another. The gang affiliation, and criminal records of it's artists just made it an easy target
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Re: Dogg Pound - "Doggy Bag" (2012, Wideawake)
« Reply #139 on: May 12, 2012, 10:29:17 PM »
man fuck Suge Knight....he over-managed Death Row...he was a fuckin control freak. He made a ton of fucked up business mistakes and thats why he doen't own the company any more.  He controled everything and had no talent amd no clue how to run a record label... heres a short list of some of his biggest fuck ups IMO (and im sure there are more:

You do realize that Death Row was NEVER as successful as it was when Suge wasn't around right? Compare 92-96 to the Keita Rock era. Then compare 01-04 to the Wideawake Era. People can hate on Suge all they want but the dude knew what he was doing.
yeah he made the label go bankrupt.

Suge didn't make the label go bankrupt. The death of 2Pac (which was his own fault), the lack of Dr Dre (down to daz) were strong factors.. Not to mention the original funding of the label that was under investigation, the lawsuits from the Harris's, and the political pressure that made Interscope back out, and others stay clear were also primary factors that made the label go down the tubes.
Suge is just the figure head, and blame guy. Was he wrong for trying to get celebrity status as a "gangster" figure. Sure, but that was no reason the label went down... If anything, his actions and attitude were the only thing that allowed Death Row to launch, and flourish as long as it did.... He fought for Death Row to own it's own masters, for artists - BLACK rappers to get the best legal assistance (something unheard of previously) and had the funds to put out huge albums, lots of big videos for that time (Natural Born Killaz) and basically put his finger up when Political figures tried to weigh in.

I think today - The current Suge looks bitter and sad, and a huge part of that is because he never really sold out, and watched others IE: Snoop on No limit, and doing his colgate ad's and pimp fancy dress, and Dre doing no cuss then "gangsta" re-hash, and making a lot of money because of it, while he continued to try and put out real raw material IE; Too Gangsta 4 TV celebrity beat downs, OFTB, hard rap and so on and have no one want to put it out, yet put a ton of money behind a watered down Dre or Snoop, and even 2Pac (Ghetto Gospel)

Suge is the blame guy for a lot on here, but people need to remember that whilst everyone jumped ship and bailed - Including all the advisors, lawyers, accountants as well as the rappers and producers, he still stayed, still scouted for talent, still got some out of shytty deals, and even helped those on other labels negotiate better deals for themselves for no slef-profit... & lets not forget others who still went to him when they didn't need to - Lisa "Left Eye" Lopez, Ja Rule, Petey Pablo, and people like Kurupt and Danny Boy who returned. Why would they all go to him if he was so bad? People can't see that the label was blackballed for all the wrong reasons
are you serious?   the downfall of Death Row started once Suge became visible.  He chased away all the superstars from the label with his thug-mentality CEO syle.  How many artists (DJ Quik, Jodeci, etc) wanted to sign with Death Row but didnt because of the unprofessional enviornment at Death Row records? He got 2Pac killed because he got him all hyped up and had him running around starting shit and screaming MOB.  I don't believe 2pac starts the fight that leads to him getting shot if he's not rolling with Suge.  If Suge was the reason for all the success and made such good business decisions then why did he not create another star after Dre & Snoop left?  Why didn't Eastwood, Crooked I, hell even Daz or Kurupt become superstars if Suge was the mastermind behind Death Row's success? It was a running joke for years if you wanna kill your career and never come out, sign with Death Row. Petey Pablo ever release anything?  Left Eye while she was living?  Crooked I?  Death Row & Suge ate for years off the leftovers from all the old "inmates" cause thats all they had.  And most of the music he didnt even release right letting producers that had nothing to with the original music go in and fuck it up...
 

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Re: Dogg Pound - "Doggy Bag" (2012, Wideawake)
« Reply #140 on: May 13, 2012, 07:56:25 AM »
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are you serious?   the downfall of Death Row started once Suge became visible.

It started as soon as Lydia Harris started chasing the money, and as once vice president Dan Quayle, C. Delores Tucker, Bob Dole and every other politician round the country tried to shut down gangsta rap IE: Death Row Records being that it was the biggest label at the time. It really had nothing to do with Suge. His persona and make up was exactly the opposite and was what kept Death Row from bowing down to political pressure and crumbling early on


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How many artists (DJ Quik, Jodeci, etc) wanted to sign with Death Row but didnt because of the unprofessional enviornment at Death Row records?

But DJ Quik wanted to sign, along with many more acts. Quik knew Dogg Pound were going to be huge in 95, and he liked the creative freedom Suge allowed his artists over there, which is why the above rolled with Suge and was under the management of Suge/Death Row, and because he was known for getting artists out of shytty deals and to an extent (the best for any CEO) would look out for them. We all know about his efforts, which landed Suge in trouble for trying to get Kurupt off his terrible Antra deal, and to get Chocolate his rights to the song he wrote for Vanilla Ice to name but a few. He still had mainstream knocking down his door


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He got 2Pac killed because he got him all hyped up and had him running around starting shit and screaming MOB.  I don't believe 2pac starts the fight that leads to him getting shot if he's not rolling with Suge.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't 2Pac continuously in trouble with the law, numerous court cases and getting into fights all the time, as well as getting death threats all before he even went on Death Row? Wasn't he shot before Death Row and Suge? Suge can't be blamed for 2Pac's stupidity. 2Pac died because "2Pac" was silly enough to get involved. Suge never told him to do anything. If you remember 2Pac was always trying to act hard ever since Juice, and ever since he started on the Hughes Brothers

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If Suge was the reason for all the success and made such good business decisions then why did he not create another star after Dre & Snoop left?  Why didn't Eastwood, Crooked I, hell even Daz or Kurupt become superstars if Suge was the mastermind behind Death Row's success?

They never became stars because the Hip Hop industry, which was now run by corporate suits, the same that tried to shut down gangster rap in the mid 90's were now running the industry, and had therefore blackballed Suge and anything associated with him. 2Pac's name would have been blackballed too, and the only reason 2Pac's releases were given good promotion up until 2005 was because of that Tom Whalley. As soon as he stepped down from his CEO position, you'll notice 2Pac's material didn't get the promotion it did previously

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And most of the music he didnt even release right letting producers that had nothing to with the original music go in and fuck it up...

You're referring to one album (the remix 2Pac album), which by comparison was at least titled and marketed as a REMIX album, and not an official LP like Amaru done...

Dogg Pound 2002... That album sounded terrible? That is highly praised for the additional production and engineered work on that, as well as Dead Man Walkin, and the 2 2pac tracks on Too Gangsta 4 radio, so I can't find any evidence to substantiate your claim that "most" of the music was fkd up
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Re: Dogg Pound - "Doggy Bag" (2012, Wideawake)
« Reply #141 on: May 14, 2012, 02:58:28 AM »
man fuck Suge Knight....he over-managed Death Row...he was a fuckin control freak. He made a ton of fucked up business mistakes and thats why he doen't own the company any more.  He controled everything and had no talent amd no clue how to run a record label... heres a short list of some of his biggest fuck ups IMO (and im sure there are more:

You do realize that Death Row was NEVER as successful as it was when Suge wasn't around right? Compare 92-96 to the Keita Rock era. Then compare 01-04 to the Wideawake Era. People can hate on Suge all they want but the dude knew what he was doing.
yeah he made the label go bankrupt.

Suge didn't make the label go bankrupt. The death of 2Pac (which was his own fault), the lack of Dr Dre (down to daz) were strong factors.. Not to mention the original funding of the label that was under investigation, the lawsuits from the Harris's, and the political pressure that made Interscope back out, and others stay clear were also primary factors that made the label go down the tubes.
Suge is just the figure head, and blame guy. Was he wrong for trying to get celebrity status as a "gangster" figure. Sure, but that was no reason the label went down... If anything, his actions and attitude were the only thing that allowed Death Row to launch, and flourish as long as it did.... He fought for Death Row to own it's own masters, for artists - BLACK rappers to get the best legal assistance (something unheard of previously) and had the funds to put out huge albums, lots of big videos for that time (Natural Born Killaz) and basically put his finger up when Political figures tried to weigh in.

I think today - The current Suge looks bitter and sad, and a huge part of that is because he never really sold out, and watched others IE: Snoop on No limit, and doing his colgate ad's and pimp fancy dress, and Dre doing no cuss then "gangsta" re-hash, and making a lot of money because of it, while he continued to try and put out real raw material IE; Too Gangsta 4 TV celebrity beat downs, OFTB, hard rap and so on and have no one want to put it out, yet put a ton of money behind a watered down Dre or Snoop, and even 2Pac (Ghetto Gospel)

Suge is the blame guy for a lot on here, but people need to remember that whilst everyone jumped ship and bailed - Including all the advisors, lawyers, accountants as well as the rappers and producers, he still stayed, still scouted for talent, still got some out of shytty deals, and even helped those on other labels negotiate better deals for themselves for no slef-profit... & lets not forget others who still went to him when they didn't need to - Lisa "Left Eye" Lopez, Ja Rule, Petey Pablo, and people like Kurupt and Danny Boy who returned. Why would they all go to him if he was so bad? People can't see that the label was blackballed for all the wrong reasons

Suge is responsible for the collapse of Death Row Records. the tough-guy image attracted too much negativity, and in due time it destroyed teh label.


 

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« Reply #142 on: May 14, 2012, 04:42:03 AM »
it also brought a negative image for the whole westcoast rapwise. a lot of artists have been complaining that A&R's and record exec's are always wary of signing westcoast acts and promoting gangsta rap because of suge's antics after he became Death Row's frontman.
 

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« Reply #143 on: May 14, 2012, 07:34:20 AM »
How many artists (DJ Quik, Jodeci, etc) wanted to sign with Death Row but didnt because of the unprofessional enviornment at Death Row records?

Suge signed Management deals with DJ Quik, Jodeci, and Mary J. Blige. He renegotiated their contracts with their respective labels (this is probably one of the reasons why Suge got Executive Producer credit on "Safe + Sound"). I don't think any of them a) actively tried to get Suge to sign them and b) would have been able to sign because of label politics. There is no way, even with Suge's power at the time, that Jodeci and Mary J Blige would have been freed from their contracts given how popular they were in '95.

hell even Daz or Kurupt become superstars if Suge was the mastermind behind Death Row's success?

Daz and Kurupt became household names and have careers because of Death Row.
 

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« Reply #144 on: May 15, 2012, 04:24:24 PM »
People always complain about that fact that WA release leaked music that we already have, and have had for years, but you have to remember, as far as they're concerned, none of this stuff has been heard before by music listeners, even if they know different.  
As a business they are entitled to make tracklists using songs that have leaked because they've never been officially released before.  So be grateful in that respect.  
People fail to realize this. It's not WA's fault that a shitload of unreleased Death Row material got bootlegged/ leaked. If I was them I would give all the unreleased tracks that have been leaked a proper release too. The only thing that makes me mad is the fact that they continue to put out songs that have already been released on retail albums. That and the fact that a lot of it sounds like shit.
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« Reply #145 on: May 15, 2012, 10:53:03 PM »
People always complain about that fact that WA release leaked music that we already have, and have had for years, but you have to remember, as far as they're concerned, none of this stuff has been heard before by music listeners, even if they know different.  
As a business they are entitled to make tracklists using songs that have leaked because they've never been officially released before.  So be grateful in that respect.  
People fail to realize this. It's not WA's fault that a shitload of unreleased Death Row material got bootlegged/ leaked. If I was them I would give all the unreleased tracks that have been leaked a proper release too. They only thing that makes me mad is the fact that they continue to put out songs that have already been released. That and the fact that a lot of it sounds like shit.

I agree with you guys on the releasing "leaked" stuff and don't think it's a big deal BUT I'm pretty sure there's been some instances where leaked stuff is better quality than what WA puts out (Doggystyle tape rip > WA version for example) and that's the stuff that bugs me.
 

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« Reply #146 on: May 16, 2012, 12:56:36 AM »
He was the guy that corporate America simply didn't want climbing the ranks because he was a serious threat to their corrupt politics. He wanted to take Death Row to an entire different coast and duplicate the money while still keeping it BLACK owned.

They were fine with Suge being able to get these artists to put out the music, and make them a lot more money than what Suge or Death Row did. But as soon as they saw that he was prepared to move the label to new heights, and secure it's place, and wasn't as stupid as people thought he was, they needed to get rid of him quick, and with anyone who comes up from the streets, it's real easy to get rid of them economically, or legally.

They gave back to the streets, and quietly at that too.. Can you guys find any pictures on the net of a bus full of teens going to see their incarcerated family behind bars funded by Death Row? The sporting teams with uniforms and equipment bought by Death Row? The mothers days, the summer BBQ's, the xmas hand outs on the streets??? You know why? Because they meant every bit of it. The label lived it to it's image in terms of "street/hood label".... Now how many corporate label do you know who do the above??? Any thing they put their name to is done so in a manner that is carried out to ensure their name is advertised through out a charity event, or has some promotional agenda. Madonna adopting 1 black hungry child but failing to arrive to pick the child up until the media press helicopter had arrived despite her being in the area an hour beforehand. Leona Lewis going to Kenya to take pictures with sick kids all smiling, even though she only arrived for 5 minutes to "meet and greet" while a non profit team beforehand done all the leg work and graft for the project, and that was you guessed it - before her album release. Death Row actually done it legitimately without the BS.

Death Row simply done it for the love, and white corporate America hated that because with they knew that Death Row would have huge support from the streets, and that kind of support (see John Lennon) meant "voters" influence, and as soon as 2Pac came on board, the label had to be brought down one way or another. The gang affiliation, and criminal records of it's artists just made it an easy target

I think you might be jumping to conclusions a little saying he was about to "take them to new heights".  suge shouldve downsized and not only tried to release hits and built on the underground appeal of his label.  releasing no music you might as well blackball yourself.
Money like Draymond Green.....yuuup
 

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Re: Dogg Pound - "Doggy Bag" (2012, Wideawake)
« Reply #147 on: June 02, 2012, 08:13:56 AM »
that cover is wack  ;D

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« Reply #148 on: June 02, 2012, 12:11:47 PM »
Suge wanted 2 create his own distribution and leave Interscope. So yeah, they got mad and the rest is history. Not saying he didnt do wrong, but he wasn't as bad as the Heads are
 

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« Reply #149 on: June 02, 2012, 06:04:24 PM »
Bigger cover