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Re:American Standard of Living
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2003, 09:41:29 PM »
Oh, and just to explain a typical "medical" situation, my father died a year and a half ago.  He incurred 3500 dollars worth of bills, WHILE they were trying to save his life in the emergency room.  I didn't pay it, they dropped the charges.  The actual attending emergency physician had a 500 dollar charge, he left his house and rushed to the hospital when the call was placed, and worked valiantly for an hour to try and revive my father; it didn't work, and he sent me a bill for 500 dollars, then a letter dropping the charges... all for a person he'd never even met.  

My mom was diagnosed with colon cancer a year ago, and was hospitalized for 3 days, then underwent emergency surgery to sever her intestines, remove a 6 foot section, and several other complicated procedures.  the 6 hour surgery and hospital bill for the 1 week of recuperation totaled 50 thousand dollars; I didn't pay a penny, she qualified for Medicaid since she had no income (which you said doesn't qualify you for assistance).  The co-pay on the 50 grand bill was a dollar, which she gladly paid.  

Extensive biopsies on the cancerous cells, numerous hospital trips for checkups, tests for diabetes, and the resulting medication, pain medication, home nursing for 3 months, and eventually a reconnection surgery, cost another 50 thousand dollars.  again, Medicaid covered the entire surgery expenses.  Didn't have to pay anymore than a dollar bill.

Also, at the time of BOTH surgeries, she didn't even have medicaid.  She qualified for it AFTER the surgeries, and they paid the pre-existing bills, 50 thousand dollars, in both instances.  

In other words: go bash somewhere else, I think the u.s. medical care system is just fine, thankyaverymuch.  
 

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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2003, 09:56:11 PM »
BTW, there's so many american bashing threads, because people have small penises.  I'm serious.  They think they have small penises, so they feel the need to be better at everythign else in life, including having the better country.  It's called overcompensation.  It's the "my dad can beat up your dad" idiodicy.  It blows my mind, I can't understand why people even care.  Who cares what the best country is?  I think Australia is pretty damn kick-ass, and I live in America.  The fact is, America is a great country; and people that live in countries that don't get the respect, or recognition America gets, hate it.  THEY HATE IT! It's like it's an insult to them or something.  

I live in North Carolina.  You don't see me going around talking about how screwed up New York is, or how bad L.A. is... it's because I'm well adjusted, and don't feel the need to be bitter at anything better than me... California is probably a better place to live than North Carolina, but so what? I'm fine in North Carolina.  

I think the same thing happens with people in other countries.  the people that are in america that bash america probably have problems with authority, and conformity.  They don't want to be labeled a conformist, so they lash out at any kind of authority, just to show that they're thinking for themselves.  the irony is, that in itself is a clique, a clique of people who think everything accepted as right is wrong, and anything regarded as good is bad.  

With all that said, there is probably a small minority of people in america that do have reason to disagree with the government, people the government has grieviously harmed.  
 

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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2003, 11:45:10 PM »
^^^ yeah that whole medicaid/medicare thing we have in the US gives me another reason to doubt ITW's story. my mom broke her foot and had to go to kmc hospital. we didn't have insurance becuase my mom doesn't think you need to go to the doctor unless you NEED it (which i believe too) so when she broke her foot she was expecting everything to be charged on her credit card, doctor visits, castings , surgery to remove floating bone fagments, ect. she was expecting to pay 2,000 bucks. but then we get a thing in the mail to go apply for medicare from KMC hospital. we do that, and guess what my mom paid only 200 bucks out of the 3,500 bucks in total in bills....200 bucks


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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2003, 04:37:41 AM »
like i said, id rather live in the US then anywhere, easily. But why is it, that u people act as if America is perfect. Yall act like this country doesnt do some fucked up shit to "its people". Jus because it hasnt done them to YOU personally, doesnt mean it hasnt done them to anyone. If youre so selfish..to think, that because u havent dealt with some of the bullshit firsthand....then it doesnt need to be fixed, then youre exactly the reason why theres so much "America Bashing" going on.
 

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« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2003, 05:54:15 AM »
Okay, I have three peoples opinions to deal with, Engelwood, Trauma and Don.

Engelwood:
By "media" what I am talking about with regards to making out america to be the best place in the world, is the tv shows the movies etc. I know this has been discussed before, but there is rarely a movie where americans aren't the hero, or where american society isnt made out to be wonderful, other than possibly "Boyz in the Hood" or "American Beauty". Although I'm not a big fan of the british, there is rarely films about their "heroes" going to war or into space to save the world etc, because i think they're afraid to offend people. Also take tv shows, for instance friends, i admit it can be funny at times, but compare it to "The Office" in england. Friends has everybody relativly happy and succesful, while "the office" is basically taking the piss out of themselves. Also the news, we do get CNN etc over here so we do get to see the differences between how events are portrayed. For instance, the irish and english news ran storys on 200000 at an anti war protest in san fransico will on CNN it was only made a passing comment of a "lower than expected turnout".
I'm glad you love america and it obvioulsy works well for you. Everyone should love their country. All I will say is not everyone feels the same, but I believe you are entitled to love your country, just like i love ireland despite its problems.
When I was talking about the taxes I said "i dunno much about these taxes". Then I went on to explain what happened in ireland. By saying i was "sure" it was similar in america, i was simply saying if a few accountants in ireland can do it, then im sure a few american accountants could do it.
On homelessness, im basing this on the different places ive been, with sweden having barely any homeless and france to, to england and america with very visable unemployment. Purely a personal observation.

Trauma: I can't argue with you on the US medical card system etc because i dont know the details. Ive only been given these details from the woman, and to tell you the truth from what I have been told in this thread, she still does have many options open to her.
Also on your small penisis point. Haha, I cant assure you im well endowed, but i can also assure you im not trying to say my country is better than yours. Ill be the first to say Ireland is corrupt and there are many inequalities in society but I am very happy to live here. Its not coz of the wheather or the opportunities, it's coz im irish, this is where i belong. America could very well be a better place to live, im just pointing out that it too has its warts. If you wonder why there is so much interest in america, it is because they have the power to effect all our lives, therefor it becomes our business. I dont expect u to give a shit about Ireland, coz our decisions wont have a big effect on your country.
Don: There's no question of credibility on this story, just a question of whether or not this woman is being looked after.
CWalker: People, relations etc who live there and ring home every few months to find out if any property has come up etc because they want to move back. They tell us what its like. But maybe its different for immigrants than it is for natives.
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Re:American Standard of Living
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2003, 12:46:31 PM »
like i said, id rather live in the US then anywhere, easily. But why is it, that u people act as if America is perfect. Yall act like this country doesnt do some fucked up shit to "its people". Jus because it hasnt done them to YOU personally, doesnt mean it hasnt done them to anyone. If youre so selfish..to think, that because u havent dealt with some of the bullshit firsthand....then it doesnt need to be fixed, then youre exactly the reason why theres so much "America Bashing" going on.

I'm going to assume you are talking to me...

First, you didn't respond to my first question. How am I "quick to judge other countries"?

Second, how do I act like America dosen't have any problems?

Third, Why is it that when I defend my country, I become "the reason there is so much "America Bashing" going on"???
 

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« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2003, 01:36:39 AM »
everybody in the world knows how FUCKED the american hospital-system is... its absolutley NOT free or charges or ear
 

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« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2003, 12:04:28 PM »
everybody in the world knows how FUCKED the american hospital-system is... its absolutley NOT free or charges or ear

Do you live here?
Have you been to an American Hospital?
Do you know how medicare works?

The Answer is no to all three. You have no basis for arguemnt.
 

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« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2003, 12:13:14 PM »
I'm really tired of all these Monday morning Quarterbacks...
 

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« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2003, 01:29:49 PM »
everybody in the world knows how FUCKED the american hospital-system is... its absolutley NOT free or charges or ear

Do you live here?
Have you been to an American Hospital?
Do you know how medicare works?

The Answer is no to all three. You have no basis for arguemnt.

so your point is: since i havent been there, i cant possibly know ??

if your answer is "yes" you're more stupid than i could imagine
 

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« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2003, 01:49:25 PM »
I aint too familiar with the American Health Care System, so I aint gonna speak on it, but i do have one lil greivance with mr. trauma

if you honestly believe the reason for the majority of anti americanism in the world is because people are jealous, then my friend, i find you incredibly ignorant and arrogant.
If that is what you were trying to say. The majority of hatred for america comes from its foreign policy.
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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2003, 01:57:40 PM »
everybody in the world knows how FUCKED the american hospital-system is... its absolutley NOT free or charges or ear

Do you live here?
Have you been to an American Hospital?
Do you know how medicare works?

The Answer is no to all three. You have no basis for arguemnt.

so your point is: since i havent been there, i cant possibly know ??

if your answer is "yes" you're more stupid than i could imagine

I find it amusing that you resort to personal insults when you can't back up your argument.

Prove it. Prove to me that the american hospital system is "FUCKED"
 

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« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2003, 02:12:16 PM »
if you ask me to find links for you as proof, i wont... you know that your hostital system is fucked, i know that your hhospital system is fucked... ive read about plenty of examples of people that havent gotten any care becaue the doctors couldnt determine if the person could pay for himself or not. WHY ARE YOU DENYING THE TRUTH??

it just makes you look like a silly kid... when you cant even admit that with no insurance you ge no help.... tell me.. if you can get help without the insurance, what is the insurance made for? ::)
 

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« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2003, 02:29:32 PM »
if you ask me to find links for you as proof, i wont... you know that your hostital system is fucked, i know that your hhospital system is fucked... ive read about plenty of examples of people that havent gotten any care becaue the doctors couldnt determine if the person could pay for himself or not. WHY ARE YOU DENYING THE TRUTH??

it just makes you look like a silly kid... when you cant even admit that with no insurance you ge no help.... tell me.. if you can get help without the insurance, what is the insurance made for? ::)

LOL...

You wont? Or you can't...
My hospital system works fine for me everybody I know. You say you've read about plenty of examples, Which you haven't shown, How am I supposed to belive you? I can't. I've read an example IN THIS THREAD that showed charges and care were provided for free to a person. You haven't shown shit. "WHY ARE YOU DENYING THE TRUTH????" Did you even read what Trauma wrote, or are you just blind to anything that proves you wrong.

And quit it with the insults. I debate facts, if you are going to argue with me, stop trying to make it a personal issue. THATS childish.

The insurance is there for people who can afford it. For people who cannot or choose not to have it, there is medicare.
 

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« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2003, 02:43:33 PM »
if you ask me to find links for you as proof, i wont... you know that your hostital system is fucked, i know that your hhospital system is fucked... ive read about plenty of examples of people that havent gotten any care becaue the doctors couldnt determine if the person could pay for himself or not. WHY ARE YOU DENYING THE TRUTH??

it just makes you look like a silly kid... when you cant even admit that with no insurance you ge no help.... tell me.. if you can get help without the insurance, what is the insurance made for? ::)

LOL...

You wont? Or you can't...
My hospital system works fine for me everybody I know. You say you've read about plenty of examples, Which you haven't shown, How am I supposed to belive you? I can't. I've read an example IN THIS THREAD that showed charges and care were provided for free to a person. You haven't shown shit. "WHY ARE YOU DENYING THE TRUTH????" Did you even read what Trauma wrote, or are you just blind to anything that proves you wrong.

And quit it with the insults. I debate facts, if you are going to argue with me, stop trying to make it a personal issue. THATS childish.

The insurance is there for people who can afford it. For people who cannot or choose not to have it, there is medicare.

ooh.. so i guess all theese newspapers ive been reading have been misstaking...


if you want proof, give me your home adress and ill send you some newspapers.... and make sure you got a swedish translator ::)
 

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« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2003, 03:10:30 PM »
if you ask me to find links for you as proof, i wont... you know that your hostital system is fucked, i know that your hhospital system is fucked... ive read about plenty of examples of people that havent gotten any care becaue the doctors couldnt determine if the person could pay for himself or not. WHY ARE YOU DENYING THE TRUTH??

it just makes you look like a silly kid... when you cant even admit that with no insurance you ge no help.... tell me.. if you can get help without the insurance, what is the insurance made for? ::)

LOL...

You wont? Or you can't...
My hospital system works fine for me everybody I know. You say you've read about plenty of examples, Which you haven't shown, How am I supposed to belive you? I can't. I've read an example IN THIS THREAD that showed charges and care were provided for free to a person. You haven't shown shit. "WHY ARE YOU DENYING THE TRUTH????" Did you even read what Trauma wrote, or are you just blind to anything that proves you wrong.

And quit it with the insults. I debate facts, if you are going to argue with me, stop trying to make it a personal issue. THATS childish.

The insurance is there for people who can afford it. For people who cannot or choose not to have it, there is medicare.

ooh.. so i guess all theese newspapers ive been reading have been misstaking...


if you want proof, give me your home adress and ill send you some newspapers.... and make sure you got a swedish translator ::)

Misstaking? Why don't you get one of these newspapers, and instead of sending it to me, type up the first paragraph.

If I were you I would be worrying why 60% of the money I earn goes to people I've never even met, rather than trying to bring down another country's medical system that works just fine for millions.
 

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« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2003, 03:28:05 PM »
if you ask me to find links for you as proof, i wont... you know that your hostital system is fucked, i know that your hhospital system is fucked... ive read about plenty of examples of people that havent gotten any care becaue the doctors couldnt determine if the person could pay for himself or not. WHY ARE YOU DENYING THE TRUTH??

it just makes you look like a silly kid... when you cant even admit that with no insurance you ge no help.... tell me.. if you can get help without the insurance, what is the insurance made for? ::)

LOL...

You wont? Or you can't...
My hospital system works fine for me everybody I know. You say you've read about plenty of examples, Which you haven't shown, How am I supposed to belive you? I can't. I've read an example IN THIS THREAD that showed charges and care were provided for free to a person. You haven't shown shit. "WHY ARE YOU DENYING THE TRUTH????" Did you even read what Trauma wrote, or are you just blind to anything that proves you wrong.

And quit it with the insults. I debate facts, if you are going to argue with me, stop trying to make it a personal issue. THATS childish.

The insurance is there for people who can afford it. For people who cannot or choose not to have it, there is medicare.

ooh.. so i guess all theese newspapers ive been reading have been misstaking...


if you want proof, give me your home adress and ill send you some newspapers.... and make sure you got a swedish translator ::)

Misstaking? Why don't you get one of these newspapers, and instead of sending it to me, type up the first paragraph.

If I were you I would be worrying why 60% of the money I earn goes to people I've never even met, rather than trying to bring down another country's medical system that works just fine for millions.

if i would type down the fact ive gotten from my newspaper, would you belive me?.. hm....

btw... its 30%... for 33% i get

1. free school (free private schools also)
1.1 free food at school
1.2 free books, and other important equipments

2. almost free hospital
2.1 around a $20 fee for surgeries
2.2 no charge for heart-transplantation, etc etc

3. a full social net
3.1 money provided in cash, not coupons...


etc etc....

sweden got 33% in taxes
usa got 24% in taxes....

what do i get in usa??... NOTHING....


...

i found John Q really interesting...... if i remember correct, that movie is based on a true story
 

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« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2003, 03:50:22 PM »
if you ask me to find links for you as proof, i wont... you know that your hostital system is fucked, i know that your hhospital system is fucked... ive read about plenty of examples of people that havent gotten any care becaue the doctors couldnt determine if the person could pay for himself or not. WHY ARE YOU DENYING THE TRUTH??

it just makes you look like a silly kid... when you cant even admit that with no insurance you ge no help.... tell me.. if you can get help without the insurance, what is the insurance made for? ::)

LOL...

You wont? Or you can't...
My hospital system works fine for me everybody I know. You say you've read about plenty of examples, Which you haven't shown, How am I supposed to belive you? I can't. I've read an example IN THIS THREAD that showed charges and care were provided for free to a person. You haven't shown shit. "WHY ARE YOU DENYING THE TRUTH????" Did you even read what Trauma wrote, or are you just blind to anything that proves you wrong.

And quit it with the insults. I debate facts, if you are going to argue with me, stop trying to make it a personal issue. THATS childish.

The insurance is there for people who can afford it. For people who cannot or choose not to have it, there is medicare.

ooh.. so i guess all theese newspapers ive been reading have been misstaking...


if you want proof, give me your home adress and ill send you some newspapers.... and make sure you got a swedish translator ::)

Misstaking? Why don't you get one of these newspapers, and instead of sending it to me, type up the first paragraph.

If I were you I would be worrying why 60% of the money I earn goes to people I've never even met, rather than trying to bring down another country's medical system that works just fine for millions.

if i would type down the fact ive gotten from my newspaper, would you belive me?.. hm....

btw... its 30%... for 33% i get

1. free school (free private schools also)
1.1 free food at school
1.2 free books, and other important equipments

2. almost free hospital
2.1 around a $20 fee for surgeries
2.2 no charge for heart-transplantation, etc etc

3. a full social net
3.1 money provided in cash, not coupons...


etc etc....

sweden got 33% in taxes
usa got 24% in taxes....

what do i get in usa??... NOTHING....


...

i found John Q really interesting...... if i remember correct, that movie is based on a true story

"taxed-to-the-eyeballs welfare state where the government grabs more than 52% of the country's GDP—the highest percentage of any industrial country. A Swedish businessman who earns Euro200,000 a year gets to keep just [/b]49%[/b]of his paycheck. Of OECD countries, only France comes close to Sweden in taxing its most successful businesspeople (for complete tax data on 33 countries, see "The tax grab 2001," Forbes Global, Feb. 5)."

http://www.forbes.com/global/2001/0319/034.html

You know your argument is getting weak when you use a movie as evidence.

In other news, I heard that a man created a baseball filed in Iowa, and all these ghosts started showing up to play baseball with him. I heard it was based on a true story.


 

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« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2003, 04:16:13 PM »
LMAO.. nice one... nice one...

forbes is a pretty reliable source... indeed

actually, it should be 58%....


but lets be realistic... how many people earns $16'500/month? ($200'000/year,  €1 = $1)

a normal good salary lays at 2500 bucks/ month.... in sweden the tax for that will be 33%...

my information is taken from "Riksskatteverket" which is swedens "IRS"

http://www.rsv.se/pdf/skattetabell_2v_28.pdf


sweden dont have alotta "billionaires" cuz of the taxes... but we have not many "POOR" people and beggers either.. because of the taxes...



nice try though


 

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Re:American Standard of Living
« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2003, 05:35:49 PM »
if you ask me to find links for you as proof, i wont... you know that your hostital system is fucked, i know that your hhospital system is fucked... ive read about plenty of examples of people that havent gotten any care becaue the doctors couldnt determine if the person could pay for himself or not. WHY ARE YOU DENYING THE TRUTH??

it just makes you look like a silly kid... when you cant even admit that with no insurance you ge no help.... tell me.. if you can get help without the insurance, what is the insurance made for? ::)

It s funny how eeryone that actually lives in America has called Irish Thugs' s post complete bullshit. This thread is nothing more than sheer jealously of America.....mostly because they are jealous that we have th best hospitals in the world.
 

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« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2003, 05:49:46 PM »
Ey for real though.... What happened to John Q's medicare?



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« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2003, 10:37:18 PM »

In other news, I heard that a man created a baseball filed in Iowa, and all these ghosts started showing up to play baseball with him. I heard it was based on a true story.



In other news, I heard  American (British) soldiers went and saved Private Ryan and also the Americans (British) were the heroes in U571.  I heard it was based on a true story.

Sorry Engel, couldn't resist
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« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2003, 10:12:22 AM »
Just to add to this little war of words. Sweden is generally accepted as one of the best places in the world to live, with the best roads, healthcare and social services, albeit with high taxes. Their system is being studyed by teams from all over Europe to gain some knowledge. America is generally accepted to have a poor healthcare system for those without insurance. I know your gonna be saying shit like "you dont live here, your just jealous". Well i'm not jealous. Other than a possible holiday, I wouldnt like to live in america. I too have read articles about the hostpital system, people have told me about the system. Im not saying here is perfect, its not, but America is generally accepted as hhaving a shitty health and social services and couldnt compare with sweden. I dont subscribe to any online shit so i have no figures or stats to back me up. Sue me.
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Re:American Standard of Living
« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2003, 03:35:09 AM »
^ gee i'm sure doing fine with my shitty health care and so is my grandma


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Re:American Standard of Living
« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2003, 05:39:35 PM »
Jake, I don't want to get too close to the bone here, because I know you dislike me every time I type a post up, but have you ever considered why your grandma got ill in the first place?