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Quote from: Do Buy Albums on August 18, 2012, 01:40:28 PMQuote from: OG Black Wilson on August 18, 2012, 10:13:55 AMQuote from: ttpac on August 18, 2012, 10:11:22 AMQuote from: Do Buy Albums on August 18, 2012, 06:17:48 AMQuote from: The "Untouchable" DJR on August 18, 2012, 01:38:24 AMI've been going on since the beginning of this WideAwake/Death Row thing about how it didn't make sense without Suge and it was not going to work out. Like someone said before DR should have just stayed bankrupt, the bootleggers would have done their job as far as emptying out the vault so no loss there.I think bootlegging is one of the reasons their releases are so weakSome people are making money behind the scenes selling the good stuff under the counter I respect your opinion but disagree because if WA would put out the material people are yearning for and actually make them available in stores their products would probably sell more. By releasing watered down releases in piss poor quality they are actually creating a marketplace/opportunity for bootleggers to exploit. If they give people what they want it would most likely stifle the bootleggers but the way they are doing it people will actually buy from bootleggers because they seem to have a better understanding of what fans want as opposed to FastAsleep. here's the problem: it's a fact that these guys are bootlegging songs behind the scenes and have been since 2009.Snap. And not just the normal stuff, Imagine all the stuff they hold that can NEVER be released or heard. Like Dre stuff, Pac outtakes and whatnot.All that holy grail stuff must be getting sold to top level black market collectors. Die hard Euros, Japs and WiggersI'm talkin G's overseasAnything can be bought for the right price. Seems like people have shallow pockets these days though.
Quote from: OG Black Wilson on August 18, 2012, 10:13:55 AMQuote from: ttpac on August 18, 2012, 10:11:22 AMQuote from: Do Buy Albums on August 18, 2012, 06:17:48 AMQuote from: The "Untouchable" DJR on August 18, 2012, 01:38:24 AMI've been going on since the beginning of this WideAwake/Death Row thing about how it didn't make sense without Suge and it was not going to work out. Like someone said before DR should have just stayed bankrupt, the bootleggers would have done their job as far as emptying out the vault so no loss there.I think bootlegging is one of the reasons their releases are so weakSome people are making money behind the scenes selling the good stuff under the counter I respect your opinion but disagree because if WA would put out the material people are yearning for and actually make them available in stores their products would probably sell more. By releasing watered down releases in piss poor quality they are actually creating a marketplace/opportunity for bootleggers to exploit. If they give people what they want it would most likely stifle the bootleggers but the way they are doing it people will actually buy from bootleggers because they seem to have a better understanding of what fans want as opposed to FastAsleep. here's the problem: it's a fact that these guys are bootlegging songs behind the scenes and have been since 2009.Snap. And not just the normal stuff, Imagine all the stuff they hold that can NEVER be released or heard. Like Dre stuff, Pac outtakes and whatnot.All that holy grail stuff must be getting sold to top level black market collectors. Die hard Euros, Japs and WiggersI'm talkin G's overseas
Quote from: ttpac on August 18, 2012, 10:11:22 AMQuote from: Do Buy Albums on August 18, 2012, 06:17:48 AMQuote from: The "Untouchable" DJR on August 18, 2012, 01:38:24 AMI've been going on since the beginning of this WideAwake/Death Row thing about how it didn't make sense without Suge and it was not going to work out. Like someone said before DR should have just stayed bankrupt, the bootleggers would have done their job as far as emptying out the vault so no loss there.I think bootlegging is one of the reasons their releases are so weakSome people are making money behind the scenes selling the good stuff under the counter I respect your opinion but disagree because if WA would put out the material people are yearning for and actually make them available in stores their products would probably sell more. By releasing watered down releases in piss poor quality they are actually creating a marketplace/opportunity for bootleggers to exploit. If they give people what they want it would most likely stifle the bootleggers but the way they are doing it people will actually buy from bootleggers because they seem to have a better understanding of what fans want as opposed to FastAsleep. here's the problem: it's a fact that these guys are bootlegging songs behind the scenes and have been since 2009.
Quote from: Do Buy Albums on August 18, 2012, 06:17:48 AMQuote from: The "Untouchable" DJR on August 18, 2012, 01:38:24 AMI've been going on since the beginning of this WideAwake/Death Row thing about how it didn't make sense without Suge and it was not going to work out. Like someone said before DR should have just stayed bankrupt, the bootleggers would have done their job as far as emptying out the vault so no loss there.I think bootlegging is one of the reasons their releases are so weakSome people are making money behind the scenes selling the good stuff under the counter I respect your opinion but disagree because if WA would put out the material people are yearning for and actually make them available in stores their products would probably sell more. By releasing watered down releases in piss poor quality they are actually creating a marketplace/opportunity for bootleggers to exploit. If they give people what they want it would most likely stifle the bootleggers but the way they are doing it people will actually buy from bootleggers because they seem to have a better understanding of what fans want as opposed to FastAsleep.
Quote from: The "Untouchable" DJR on August 18, 2012, 01:38:24 AMI've been going on since the beginning of this WideAwake/Death Row thing about how it didn't make sense without Suge and it was not going to work out. Like someone said before DR should have just stayed bankrupt, the bootleggers would have done their job as far as emptying out the vault so no loss there.I think bootlegging is one of the reasons their releases are so weakSome people are making money behind the scenes selling the good stuff under the counter
I've been going on since the beginning of this WideAwake/Death Row thing about how it didn't make sense without Suge and it was not going to work out. Like someone said before DR should have just stayed bankrupt, the bootleggers would have done their job as far as emptying out the vault so no loss there.
I understand them re-releasing songs from that boxset. They're only doing that because that boxset is discontinued (in part due the Dr. Dre material appearing on there without his permission and it becoming a legal issue along with "The Chronic Relit: From The Vault"). WideAwake used "Doggy Bag" along with "20 To Life: Volume 1" and "20 To Life: Volume 2" to re-release the unreleased material that appeared on the boxset. I just hope that after this release, they can move forward and give the fans more good unreleased recordings. Maybe release a remastered version of "Doggystyle" or "Dogg Food" in the future.
I'd be more interested if they did well put together versions of the classic albums...Like if they released Doggystyle, with all the remixes from the singles, with all the tracks that later became tracks on Doggystyle,instrumental versions of all the tracks... maybe even some of the tracks broken down into just parts so we can see how they were made,that would be more interesting to me...And then have a big booklet with lots of info on the making of Doggystyle, interviews with people who were involved, how the artwork/photos were donefor it... then do that for the Chronic, Dogg Food, etc.I don't know if you ever seen like classic Jazz albums or rock albums or anything, but they do that all the time, like have full liner notes redone for them,and get the session recordings for the album and put all that stuff on a couple of discs or so...
doggystyle relit is a possibility though with some bloody mary and danny boy tracks at the end.
I just want them to put out 100% unreleased albums and compilations, properly mixed and mastered, with at least 14 tracks per disc. No more of this 12 track bullshit. And I definitely do not want to see one single song that has been released officially make it onto these unreleased projects. Now, I absolutely do not mind if they put stuff like G'd Up & Banged Out by Crooked I or We R Blown by Petey Pablo on unreleased projects because even though they've been bootlegged in pretty good quality, they are still officially unreleased and I would like to see every track get a proper release.
if wideawake wanted to make a fancy remaster of doggystyle that would satisfy consumers they would need to:-figure out how to master properly (and better then the original)-find a way around the red tape with dre so they can put outtakes on-make peace with people involved in creating the album so they can interview them for liner notes-do some research and figure out death rows history to assemble tracks from that time-do some more research to figure out who was involved for the liner notes-basically completely get there act together.........basically this is all a fantasy. i'm not saying yall are asking for too much wanting a decent product like this actually worth buying i'm saying it's so impossible it's not even worth talking about. doggystyle relit is a possibility though with some bloody mary and danny boy tracks at the end.
Do a collector's set of some of the classic catalog and model it after what these other labels have done with say, the BDP catalog or ODB and GZA's deluxe albums. Include all the single and 16' inch stuff on a bonus disc with cleaned-up versions of the "Doggystyle" leftovers from the first Lost Sessions (don't know if that's still legally possible). Put "G's Up, Hoes Down" back in the original tracklist and do a remastered Doggystyle collector's edition, instead of these over-priced, poorly-mixed and weakly-compiled bootleg-quality albums they've been putting out.
re-releasing and repackaging shit is not gonna work...i wont, and nobody i know, is gonna buy doggystyle, or dogg food or whatever else again for a couple of unreleased tracks, more linear notes and a bulky package...
re-releasing and repackaging shit is not gonna work...i wont, and nobody i know, is gonna buy doggystyle, or dogg food or whatever else again for a couple of unreleased tracks, more linear notes and a bulky package...and the cats who use itunes and amazon wont have the full "experience" of that purchase so yeah....while were at it, is there anyone stupid enough to have legitimately purchased a digital download for doggystyle?
Quote from: J-FUNKTION on August 21, 2012, 08:12:03 AMre-releasing and repackaging shit is not gonna work...i wont, and nobody i know, is gonna buy doggystyle, or dogg food or whatever else again for a couple of unreleased tracks, more linear notes and a bulky package...and the cats who use itunes and amazon wont have the full "experience" of that purchase so yeah....while were at it, is there anyone stupid enough to have legitimately purchased a digital download for doggystyle? History says otherwise. There's a reason labels keep putting out deluxe editions of all their classic albums. Selling whole albums of unreleased music is actually more of a financial gamble than re-releasing classic albums with a few extra goodies attached.
Quote from: UCC on August 20, 2012, 11:13:59 AMI'd be more interested if they did well put together versions of the classic albums...Like if they released Doggystyle, with all the remixes from the singles, with all the tracks that later became tracks on Doggystyle,instrumental versions of all the tracks... maybe even some of the tracks broken down into just parts so we can see how they were made,that would be more interesting to me...And then have a big booklet with lots of info on the making of Doggystyle, interviews with people who were involved, how the artwork/photos were donefor it... then do that for the Chronic, Dogg Food, etc.I don't know if you ever seen like classic Jazz albums or rock albums or anything, but they do that all the time, like have full liner notes redone for them,and get the session recordings for the album and put all that stuff on a couple of discs or so...Exactly what I was thinking CDs with big booklets full of (production) info, artwork etc basically everything they could find and there has to be alot, not just music wise but also photo sessions, promo material the works. Only I think they should leave the classic albums alone and move on with the unreleased stuff, then really putting the emphasis on "unreleased" with stickers on the CDs like "Unleashed from The Vaults: 100% authentic Death Row exclusives" or something like that. Let's say they're releasing a compilation album from the 2002/2003 era, songs by Crooked I, Eastwood, N.I.N.A., Boo-yaa Tribe, Kurupt, Spider, Switchblade etc are on it. A nice booklet in there with as much info on each song as possible, a little background info on each artist, photo's and pictures that are actually from that period and maybe a brief summary of the label's status those 2 years. The XXL cover in 2002, Left Eye joinig the label, other artists affiliation with the label during that time (Juvenile, Ray J, Murder Inc), interviews the artists did and so on. As far as the sound quality goes, I was under the impression that not all of the material was in good shape and that some songs simply could not get any better sound quality wise. If that really is the case then I don't mind the quality being average at best or even worse, better to have it in bad quality then to not have it at all.
I don't buy that because they are also including material that was put out on other projects. It's just lazy to me. I actually like what UCC was talking about and it's something I've suggested in the past as well. Do a collector's set of some of the classic catalog and model it after what these other labels have done with say, the BDP catalog or ODB and GZA's deluxe albums. Include all the single and 16' inch stuff on a bonus disc with cleaned-up versions of the "Doggystyle" leftovers from the first Lost Sessions (don't know if that's still legally possible). Put "G's Up, Hoes Down" back in the original tracklist and do a remastered Doggystyle collector's edition, instead of these over-priced, poorly-mixed and weakly-compiled bootleg-quality albums they've been putting out.
Quote from: 3331 on August 20, 2012, 04:48:20 PM doggystyle relit is a possibility though with some bloody mary and danny boy tracks at the end.LMAO I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed they sure love to throw us unheard, unreleased Bloody Mary, C-Po and Danny Boy songs but they hoard the good shit (Crooked I's Untouchable cd, Every Single Day OG, Sam Sneed originals and of course everything by 2pac) they spent 26 million bucks to buy DR and put out albums that sell 5000 copies at 10x a piece. that's 50,000 profit + a small amount of back catalogue income
maybe....but in 2012/2013?
Selling whole albums of unreleased music is actually more of a financial gamble than re-releasing classic albums with a few extra goodies attached.
Quote from: J-FUNKTION on August 21, 2012, 12:19:15 PMmaybe....but in 2012/2013? I would say so you ever notice how many times labels will re-issue classic albums or do new "greatest hits" packages? If you're someone that collects CD's, a remastered deluxe edition of an album might be something worth having. On the opposite side of things, if you're a casual fan, unreleased music from an artist is kind of a questionable investment.