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Re: Rap Vs. Hip-Hop
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2012, 10:04:20 AM »
Nah I gotta say you're getting things flipped IMO

Hip-Hop is the music.

Graff and shit is hip-hop culture

The term Rap Music has been used way before the term Hip-Hop was even coined. Hip-Hop is the culture.

Calling Rap Music, Hip-Hop is like calling Country Music, American Music; or like calling Salsa Music, Spanish Music. Salsa music is Spanish music, it's part of the culture but it's actually Salsa Music. Rap music actually Hip-Hop music, but it's actually Rap Music which is part of Hip-Hop culture. That's why this is called "Gangsta Rap".

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/nrVCRQd1ugU?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/nrVCRQd1ugU?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0</a>

This is still part of Hip-Hop Culture, but it's Gangsta Rap.

Or this,

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/UVtpXvzzXiA?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/UVtpXvzzXiA?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0</a>

This is the BIGGEST mistake in labeling music. This can be called "Backpack" Rap, or "Conscience" Rap, some call it "Alternative" Rap, but it's still Rap Music. It's part of Hip-Hop culture, but many people also get it confused with being Hip-Hop. Many people will take a song like this, or an artist like Kweli and label that Hip-Hop. It's only a part of Hip-Hop, an actual small part of Hip-Hop that people are trying to label the "Whole" of Hip-Hop. Hell, Kweli is even rebelling against the label "Conscience" Rap. But what Kweli is doing is Rap Music.

Rap is what you do, you rap. You don't "Hip-Hop", you live Hip--Hop.
 

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Re: Rap Vs. Hip-Hop
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2012, 10:14:19 AM »
Nah I gotta say you're getting things flipped IMO

Hip-Hop is the music.

Graff and shit is hip-hop culture

The term Rap Music has been used way before the term Hip-Hop was even coined. Hip-Hop is the culture.

Calling Rap Music, Hip-Hop is like calling Country Music, American Music; or like calling Salsa Music, Spanish Music. Salsa music is Spanish music, it's part of the culture but it's actually Salsa Music. Rap music actually Hip-Hop music, but it's actually Rap Music which is part of Hip-Hop culture. That's why this is called "Gangsta Rap".

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/nrVCRQd1ugU?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/nrVCRQd1ugU?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0</a>

This is still part of Hip-Hop Culture, but it's Gangsta Rap.

Or this,

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/UVtpXvzzXiA?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/UVtpXvzzXiA?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0</a>

This is the BIGGEST mistake in labeling music. This can be called "Backpack" Rap, or "Conscience" Rap, some call it "Alternative" Rap, but it's still Rap Music. It's part of Hip-Hop culture, but many people also get it confused with being Hip-Hop. Many people will take a song like this, or an artist like Kweli and label that Hip-Hop. It's only a part of Hip-Hop, an actual small part of Hip-Hop that people are trying to label the "Whole" of Hip-Hop. Hell, Kweli is even rebelling against the label "Conscience" Rap. But what Kweli is doing is Rap Music.

Rap is what you do, you rap. You don't "Hip-Hop", you live Hip--Hop.

Rap/Hip-Hop interchangeable when referring to the music

Dance or Art is not Hip-Hop...but it's a part of Hip-Hop culture
 

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Re: Rap Vs. Hip-Hop
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2012, 10:38:38 AM »
Nah I gotta say you're getting things flipped IMO

Hip-Hop is the music.

Graff and shit is hip-hop culture

The term Rap Music has been used way before the term Hip-Hop was even coined. Hip-Hop is the culture.

Calling Rap Music, Hip-Hop is like calling Country Music, American Music; or like calling Salsa Music, Spanish Music. Salsa music is Spanish music, it's part of the culture but it's actually Salsa Music. Rap music actually Hip-Hop music, but it's actually Rap Music which is part of Hip-Hop culture. That's why this is called "Gangsta Rap".

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/nrVCRQd1ugU?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/nrVCRQd1ugU?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0</a>

This is still part of Hip-Hop Culture, but it's Gangsta Rap.

Or this,

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/UVtpXvzzXiA?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/UVtpXvzzXiA?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0</a>

This is the BIGGEST mistake in labeling music. This can be called "Backpack" Rap, or "Conscience" Rap, some call it "Alternative" Rap, but it's still Rap Music. It's part of Hip-Hop culture, but many people also get it confused with being Hip-Hop. Many people will take a song like this, or an artist like Kweli and label that Hip-Hop. It's only a part of Hip-Hop, an actual small part of Hip-Hop that people are trying to label the "Whole" of Hip-Hop. Hell, Kweli is even rebelling against the label "Conscience" Rap. But what Kweli is doing is Rap Music.

Rap is what you do, you rap. You don't "Hip-Hop", you live Hip--Hop.

Rap/Hip-Hop interchangeable when referring to the music

Dance or Art is not Hip-Hop...but it's a part of Hip-Hop culture

Dance and Art are Hip-Hop. They are as much part of Hip-Hop as is the music. Music is just a part, but since it's the most popular part, people ignore the rest. Dance and Art don't sell, music does so people only look at music. But Dance and Art make up as much of Hip-Hop as Music.
 

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Re: Rap Vs. Hip-Hop
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2012, 10:43:21 AM »
Nah I gotta say you're getting things flipped IMO

Hip-Hop is the music.

Graff and shit is hip-hop culture

The term Rap Music has been used way before the term Hip-Hop was even coined. Hip-Hop is the culture.

Calling Rap Music, Hip-Hop is like calling Country Music, American Music; or like calling Salsa Music, Spanish Music. Salsa music is Spanish music, it's part of the culture but it's actually Salsa Music. Rap music actually Hip-Hop music, but it's actually Rap Music which is part of Hip-Hop culture. That's why this is called "Gangsta Rap".

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/nrVCRQd1ugU?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/nrVCRQd1ugU?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0</a>

This is still part of Hip-Hop Culture, but it's Gangsta Rap.

Or this,

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/UVtpXvzzXiA?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/UVtpXvzzXiA?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0</a>

This is the BIGGEST mistake in labeling music. This can be called "Backpack" Rap, or "Conscience" Rap, some call it "Alternative" Rap, but it's still Rap Music. It's part of Hip-Hop culture, but many people also get it confused with being Hip-Hop. Many people will take a song like this, or an artist like Kweli and label that Hip-Hop. It's only a part of Hip-Hop, an actual small part of Hip-Hop that people are trying to label the "Whole" of Hip-Hop. Hell, Kweli is even rebelling against the label "Conscience" Rap. But what Kweli is doing is Rap Music.

Rap is what you do, you rap. You don't "Hip-Hop", you live Hip--Hop.

Rap/Hip-Hop interchangeable when referring to the music

Dance or Art is not Hip-Hop...but it's a part of Hip-Hop culture

Dance and Art are Hip-Hop. They are as much part of Hip-Hop as is the music. Music is just a part, but since it's the most popular part, people ignore the rest. Dance and Art don't sell, music does so people only look at music. But Dance and Art make up as much of Hip-Hop as Music.

Graffiti existed long before Hip-Hop. A tennis shoe is not Hip-Hop. Break Dance is born out of Hip-Hop but it's not Hip-Hop sorry.

Hip-Hop culture.
 

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Re: Rap Vs. Hip-Hop
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2012, 02:01:38 PM »
I think we are almost saying the same thing, but different. It is Hip-Hop culture. But Rap music is also Hip-Hop culture, but Rap music is not the beginning and end of Hip-Hop.

Graffiti is Hip-Hop. Graffiti changed forever once it was touched by Hip-Hop. Before, graffiti varied throughout the world, movements like "Kilroy was Here" or propaganda art like "Andre the Giant has a Posse" were, and always exist outside of Hip-Hop. But within Hip-Hop graffiti has taken a different twist. Hip-Hop mural art influence of graffiti has spread across the globe, and now graffiti everywhere has been influenced by Hip-Hop. Yes propaganda art and other graffiti movement still exist, but there is still a graffiti art movement that exist within Hip-Hop and it's now global.

This is all Hip-Hop culture, but the music is NOT interchangeable with the culture. Rap Music is a form of Hip-Hop Music, in fact it is the music of Hip-Hop. Rap music is the soundtrack of Hip-Hop culture, but it is the only thing in Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop is much much more than Rap Music. Rap music sells, and to call Rap Music Hip-Hop would be like calling Salsa Music Spanish Music. Yes it's Spanish music, it's part of Spanish culture, but there is much more to the culture of Spanish speaking countries than Salsa Music. Or K-Pop and Korean Music. There is more to Korean culture than "Gangnam Style". There are other parts of Hip-Hop than Rap Music. As said by Afrika Bambaataa himself.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/563eLRk3lts?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/563eLRk3lts?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0</a>
 

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Re: Rap Vs. Hip-Hop
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2012, 09:00:51 PM »
graffiti is not hip-hop, it is a PART of hip-hop culture. rap music, on the other hand, can be referred to as hip-hop music, as well. the two terms are interchangeable. this stuff isn't really debatable, as it's already been defined, officially.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hip-hop

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Re: Rap Vs. Hip-Hop
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2012, 09:25:27 PM »
As I said, Rap Music is Hip-Hop Music the same way Salsa Music is Spanish Music. It's a type of music representing the culture.

As for graffiti, there are other types of graffiti that's not Hip-Hop, but Hip-Hop culture has influenced graffiti and graffiti is part of Hip-Hop culture. Graffiti is as much part of Hip-Hop culture as Rap Music.

Who would know more about Hip-Hop, Afrika Bambaataa or Webster?
 

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Re: Rap Vs. Hip-Hop
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2012, 11:06:34 PM »
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Re: Rap Vs. Hip-Hop
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2012, 08:59:46 AM »
webster

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Re: Rap Vs. Hip-Hop
« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2012, 02:53:59 PM »
webster > your life

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Re: Rap Vs. Hip-Hop
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2012, 05:17:12 PM »
I hate when people call it Rap Music. Makes no sense.

Imagine people calling the music Britney, MJ or Bieber makes Singing Music.  :-X
 

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Re: Rap Vs. Hip-Hop
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2012, 06:12:33 PM »
^rap is a genre of music...singing as not.

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Re: Rap Vs. Hip-Hop
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2012, 07:57:05 PM »
webster > your life

Sccit's e-life and e-rap career >>> M Dogg's e-life, but who really cares
 

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Re: Rap Vs. Hip-Hop
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2012, 11:16:31 PM »
webster > your life

Sccit's e-life and e-rap career >>> M Dogg's e-life, but who really cares


true.....and also mdogg's e-life > mdogg's  real life

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Re: Rap Vs. Hip-Hop
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2012, 11:24:59 PM »
 Man Fuck KRS ONE and all these other motherfuckers talking about what hip-hop culture is. Because all that shit is is street culture. Simple as that, Just because you utilized the style, slang, and imagery of your block, neighborhood, or city or state and packaged it into your album covers, singles, public image doesn't make you apart of some special culture. Early New York rap was derived of all the happenings at the time, Graffiti isn't just a simple "Hip-Hop" Entity it's existed before and has a massive relation to other sub-genres outside of the so called hip-hop culture.  All These artist who speak about hip-hop are nothing more then wannabe elitist who want to claim something to make them special.

New Yorks style was different from the West Coast, Gangster rap's (older) entire image is taken from the Street and Gang Culture of California. The Term Hip-Hop used to devise a culture is a sham, because everything that supposedly makes hip-hop has always reached a wider aspect then what Hip-Hop culture has made it out to be.  


All these people who talk about living the Hip-Hop Culture or being into the culture are nothing more then retards wanting to belong, because the people who do everything hip-hop has labeled as part of its culture don't call it hip-hop.


I Swear rap has been the only sub-genre of music were people fight about what's the music and fake culture. Correct me if I'm wrong. Rap is rap, simple is that, Doesn't matter if it's from the 1980s, or circa today. The only thing that's changed is the lyricism, production and the style in which the music samples from. Because that's all rap is, is an emulation of who ever decides to make it.

Rap in the early 80s was simplistic ground breaking but simplistic, The Late 80s Brought Juggernaut acts who's style reflected their attitudes, were they were from, and who they were. Just like today. Regardless if it's political or pure ignorance in the lyrical subject matter. It's a musical genre that's the only one that has a stupid stigma of being authentic, which is Ironic considering the biggest names in rap rarely stayed true to their lyrics.