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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #75 on: December 16, 2012, 10:29:27 AM »
lol @ americans. Im glad this did not happen in a civilized country.
 

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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #76 on: December 16, 2012, 10:29:38 AM »
I literally know 100's of gun owners.  Not a single one has ever shot anything other than an animal (that they eat) or clay pigeon.

Canadians, Australians, Euros are extremely brainwashed against guns.  Most cops in China don't carry guns, but I show how 22 people are stabbed and yall completely ignore that.  What's your response on that?

22 people were stabbed, not shot.  Those 22 people survived, there were no deaths.  

I am not brainwashed.  In Canada, you can feel safe at the movies, or going to school.  I can go anywhere in the country and feel safe knowing its illegal to carry a gun.  In Canada, you need to have a permit just to have a gun in the trunk of your car to go hunting.  
 

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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #77 on: December 16, 2012, 10:45:13 AM »
It seems inherent in some people that they can't compute what is being conveyed. I have detailed to you several massacres and not a one off in which kids and other innocents have been the unfortunate victims of crazed people, now these people did not have access to guns so instead they utilise another weapon against those who are unable to defend themselves in particular little kids. This therefore pours scorn all over this notion that guns are the cause of these horrible incidents. If there were security guards with guns, or at least a teacher who is entrusted with a gun, then these crazed people would have been taken out.

 

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« Reply #78 on: December 16, 2012, 11:17:21 AM »
now these people did not have access to guns so instead they utilise another weapon against those who are unable to defend themselves in particular little kids`

Exactly. See you do get it.


A country with more guns than people = all of the wrong people have free access to guns, or probably own them already.


I best get some popcorn ready for then next massacre (if I still have time to get to the store) it's gonna be soon!

#gunswag
 

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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #79 on: December 16, 2012, 11:23:40 AM »
I am not brainwashed.  In Canada, you can feel safe at the movies, or going to school.  I can go anywhere in the country and feel safe knowing its illegal to carry a gun.  In Canada, you need to have a permit just to have a gun in the trunk of your car to go hunting.  

I live in Japan, where guns are banned to everyone who's not a cop. Yet there have been numerous massacres here where people have used cars and knives to murder many innocent lives. Here anyone can feel safe that they're not going to die because of a gunshot, however the fear of being killed or severely injured via a knife or gas bomb or someother object just takes it's place/becomes bigger.
In the end it's not the guns, it's the people wielding the guns. Even if some things don't kill people as fast as a gun would, in no way does the risk of harm coming your way become significantly lower just because the laws get stricter. You have to do something about the maniacs who plot and do these horrific deeds first.
 

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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #80 on: December 16, 2012, 11:24:57 AM »

Which part about them utilising other weapons to kill don't you get?
 

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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #81 on: December 16, 2012, 11:31:54 AM »
I am not brainwashed.  In Canada, you can feel safe at the movies, or going to school.  I can go anywhere in the country and feel safe knowing its illegal to carry a gun.  In Canada, you need to have a permit just to have a gun in the trunk of your car to go hunting.  

I live in Japan, where guns are banned to everyone who's not a cop. Yet there have been numerous massacres here where people have used cars and knives to murder many innocent lives. Here anyone can feel safe that they're not going to die because of a gunshot, however the fear of being killed or severely injured via a knife or gas bomb or someother object just takes it's place/becomes bigger.
In the end it's not the guns, it's the people wielding the guns. Even if some things don't kill people as fast as a gun would, in no way does the risk of harm coming your way become significantly lower just because the laws get stricter. You have to do something about the maniacs who plot and do these horrific deeds first.

Precisely, but without guns you have no real way to defend yourself and in a country like America where there are so many guns criminal elements will have total advantage over the defenceless. America is falling into the abyss, the police won't save you, the only person that can save you, is you. In a country which is violating all rights, of course they would go after the guns.

By the way i live in England, and as a result of the massacre which occurred in Dunblane a similar sweeping ban on guns was imposed. That hasn't stopped guns from being freely available to gangs though and furthermore, the very massacre itself stinks of something far more heinous than one crazed individual. We know that it is particularly sinister because it was declared that the documents should be sealed for 100 years. Now what do you suppose is contained within those documents? we can only speculate, but it's reasonable to assume that the information contained within displays a much bigger conspiracy than one man.
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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #82 on: December 16, 2012, 11:40:07 AM »

Which part about them utilising other weapons to kill don't you get?


The point isn't whether or not other weapons can kill but that firearms can be used by anyone (no skill or strength required) to kill a huge amount of people in a very short time. It's still not a good enough reason to take them away form people though IMO. In fact I feel that everyone should be REQUIRED to carry a weapon instead of just being allowed to. Would make people think twice about how they behave if they know they might get shot.
 

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« Reply #83 on: December 16, 2012, 11:40:15 AM »

Which part about them utilising other weapons to kill don't you get?


Yes the China dude had a knife (lets say because he couldn't get a gun)

I'll quote Lazy "22 injured in that knife attack, but 22 lived"



You were expecting a 5 year old shot in the head to pull through?
 

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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #84 on: December 16, 2012, 11:41:21 AM »
The 2nd Amendment which is the right to bear arms was put into place to protect the average person against a tyrannical government.

No it wasn't.




And you know 100's of gun owners? I literally know 3 people at the most, and 2 of them work in pest control or farming.


The issue isn't a almost 1 off attack in China. It's the constant occurrence of these gun related massacres in America.
Actually, that is incorrect. The amount of mass shooting incidents has not increased at all (http://news.yahoo.com/no-rise-mass-killings-impact-huge-185700637.html). They've actually gone down in the last decade. The media has ramped up the coverage of them. The media has you by the balls, amigo.

Have you even looked up MK Ultra and Operation Northwoods?

In your own words: "ps don't answer that".
 

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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #85 on: December 16, 2012, 11:42:28 AM »
Are you unable to read? I have cited other recent massacres in which scores of people have died from knife attacks, meat cleaver attacks.
 

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« Reply #86 on: December 16, 2012, 11:45:13 AM »
The 2nd Amendment which is the right to bear arms was put into place to protect the average person against a tyrannical government.

No it wasn't.




And you know 100's of gun owners? I literally know 3 people at the most, and 2 of them work in pest control or farming.


The issue isn't a almost 1 off attack in China. It's the constant occurrence of these gun related massacres in America.
Actually, that is incorrect. The amount of mass shooting incidents has not increased at all (http://news.yahoo.com/no-rise-mass-killings-impact-huge-185700637.html). They've actually gone down in the last decade. The media has ramped up the coverage of them. The media has you by the balls, amigo.

Have you even looked up MK Ultra and Operation Northwoods?

In your own words: "ps don't answer that".


"There is no pattern, there is no increase," says criminologist James Allen Fox of Boston's Northeastern University, who has been studying the subject since the 1980s, spurred by a rash of mass shootings in post offices."


There is a pattern if you look at America vs the rest of the Western World. They are nearly all in America homie. That's the pattern. Saying there is no increase is like saying 'its ok they still happen' - because u except they are part of normal society.
 

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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #87 on: December 16, 2012, 11:48:17 AM »

Which part about them utilising other weapons to kill don't you get?


The point isn't whether or not other weapons can kill but that firearms can be used by anyone (no skill or strength required) to kill a huge amount of people in a very short time. It's still not a good enough reason to take them away form people though IMO. In fact I feel that everyone should be REQUIRED to carry a weapon instead of just being allowed to. Would make people think twice about how they behave if they know they might get shot.
I cant remember the article, but there was a study where many counties and areas in the US that have concealed gun laws have led to lowered gun violence incidences. The logic being that people think twice to use a weapon on an individual in the event that the person they wish to attack may be armed as well.

Now, I don't reall like the idea of bringing back the wild west, but it puts a hole in a lot of your arguments.
 

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« Reply #88 on: December 16, 2012, 11:50:15 AM »
Are you unable to read? I have cited other recent massacres in which scores of people have died from knife attacks, meat cleaver attacks.

Just trying to explain why people (not me) are calling for gun control even despite the obvious fact that other things can be used to kill as well. If that was for me..

If you are claiming cleavers are just as good as guns for the job how come the army doesn't go to war with them? Would be really convenient not to deal with ammo logistics etc.
 

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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #89 on: December 16, 2012, 11:50:56 AM »
The 2nd Amendment which is the right to bear arms was put into place to protect the average person against a tyrannical government.

No it wasn't.




And you know 100's of gun owners? I literally know 3 people at the most, and 2 of them work in pest control or farming.


The issue isn't a almost 1 off attack in China. It's the constant occurrence of these gun related massacres in America.
Actually, that is incorrect. The amount of mass shooting incidents has not increased at all (http://news.yahoo.com/no-rise-mass-killings-impact-huge-185700637.html). They've actually gone down in the last decade. The media has ramped up the coverage of them. The media has you by the balls, amigo.

Have you even looked up MK Ultra and Operation Northwoods?

In your own words: "ps don't answer that".


"There is no pattern, there is no increase," says criminologist James Allen Fox of Boston's Northeastern University, who has been studying the subject since the 1980s, spurred by a rash of mass shootings in post offices."


There is a pattern if you look at America vs the rest of the Western World. They are nearly all in America homie. That's the pattern. Saying there is no increase is like saying 'its ok they still happen' - because u except they are part of normal society.
Of course you leave out the part where these incidences have gone down during the past decade or the fact that lightening strikes are more common to kill people than a mass shooting lol.
 

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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #90 on: December 16, 2012, 11:56:26 AM »
Are you unable to read? I have cited other recent massacres in which scores of people have died from knife attacks, meat cleaver attacks.

Just trying to explain why people (not me) are calling for gun control even despite the obvious fact that other things can be used to kill as well. If that was for me..

If you are claiming cleavers are just as good as guns for the job how come the army doesn't go to war with them? Would be really convenient not to deal with ammo logistics etc.

My remark was not aimed in your direction, i addressed your point a little further up.
 

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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #91 on: December 16, 2012, 12:00:41 PM »
Are you unable to read? I have cited other recent massacres in which scores of people have died from knife attacks, meat cleaver attacks.

Just trying to explain why people (not me) are calling for gun control even despite the obvious fact that other things can be used to kill as well. If that was for me..

If you are claiming cleavers are just as good as guns for the job how come the army doesn't go to war with them? Would be really convenient not to deal with ammo logistics etc.

My remark was not aimed in your direction, i addressed your point a little further up.

Oh right sorry about that.

And you make a good point too. Gun control mainly restricts law abiding citizens, leading to a society where thugs have an upper hand over them..
 

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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #92 on: December 16, 2012, 12:12:22 PM »
I literally know 100's of gun owners.  Not a single one has ever shot anything other than an animal (that they eat) or clay pigeon.

Canadians, Australians, Euros are extremely brainwashed against guns.  Most cops in China don't carry guns, but I show how 22 people are stabbed and yall completely ignore that.  What's your response on that?

22 people were stabbed, not shot.  Those 22 people survived, there were no deaths.  

I am not brainwashed.  In Canada, you can feel safe at the movies, or going to school.  I can go anywhere in the country and feel safe knowing its illegal to carry a gun.  In Canada, you need to have a permit just to have a gun in the trunk of your car to go hunting.  


u need a permit in usa, as well
 

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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #93 on: December 16, 2012, 12:20:12 PM »
So these massacres are

A) done by the government making people crazy for their own ends? LMFAO

B) done by crazy people and a responsible government needs to step in and do something about it


Why can't you as a seemingly intelligent people work out that this is a distinctly American method of venting anger (towards almost always random innocent people) and it's carried out time and time again by your own people.

Ask yourself why it's happening on your own doorstep, and the rest of the civilised world isn't doing it.

Elsewhere I wouldn't be surprised if I heard a chronically depressed person hanged themselves. In America only I'm not surprised to hear about the same kind of person committing a high school gun massacre.


why do u act like u know whats going on, and laugh off any other possibility? do u understand that government has been trying to rid us of firearms for the longest, but cant do so because of the 2nd amendment? is it really out of the question for them to stage occurrences such as these for a greater cause? and more importantly, why do u want so bad for government to have total control over u? i dont get it. do u really think they're "good people" looking out for out "best interest"? taking guns away from citizens and giving em to only law enforcement would give those fucks even more power over us. WHY WOULD U WANT THAT? some faggot shit, foreal.
 

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« Reply #94 on: December 16, 2012, 12:23:16 PM »
It seems inherent in some people that they can't compute what is being conveyed. I have detailed to you several massacres and not a one off in which kids and other innocents have been the unfortunate victims of crazed people, now these people did not have access to guns so instead they utilise another weapon against those who are unable to defend themselves in particular little kids. This therefore pours scorn all over this notion that guns are the cause of these horrible incidents. If there were security guards with guns, or at least a teacher who is entrusted with a gun, then these crazed people would have been taken out.



good shit...dubcc=the only place where ull find intelligence debating literal retardation.
 

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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #95 on: December 16, 2012, 12:24:28 PM »
I am not brainwashed.  In Canada, you can feel safe at the movies, or going to school.  I can go anywhere in the country and feel safe knowing its illegal to carry a gun.  In Canada, you need to have a permit just to have a gun in the trunk of your car to go hunting.  

I live in Japan, where guns are banned to everyone who's not a cop. Yet there have been numerous massacres here where people have used cars and knives to murder many innocent lives. Here anyone can feel safe that they're not going to die because of a gunshot, however the fear of being killed or severely injured via a knife or gas bomb or someother object just takes it's place/becomes bigger.
In the end it's not the guns, it's the people wielding the guns. Even if some things don't kill people as fast as a gun would, in no way does the risk of harm coming your way become significantly lower just because the laws get stricter. You have to do something about the maniacs who plot and do these horrific deeds first.


theres only one solution- BAN CARS AND KNIVES!
 

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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #96 on: December 16, 2012, 12:31:58 PM »
Why can't you as a seemingly intelligent people work out that this is a distinctly American method of venting anger (towards almost always random innocent people) and it's carried out time and time again by your own people.
Wrong again. Most acts of violence in America, gun violence included, are premeditated and the victims are known. Not random innocent people as you put it. Again, the media owns your ass, and you're too blind to see it. You're too blind to see that the media is in bed with the government as well.

People with your logic would ban arms and hands if strangulation deaths went up in your neck-of-the-woods lol
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« Reply #97 on: December 16, 2012, 12:32:32 PM »
Nick, am neither liberal nor conservative, I am a mixed bag of views, but I don't understand how anyone can't understand that being able to protect yourself is an absolute must. Furthermore we can debunk a further fallacy which is often conveyed by those who oppose guns and it's simply this, if you look at UK gun crime since 1996 which is when the gun ban took effect, it rose massively, has seen masses of police resources, funds and man power put into it to try and address it and only now, 17 years later are the statistics beginning to fall to somewhere near the pre 1996 levels. This suggests that the the gun has not made people safer, all it has done is empowered the criminal elements in society. Every scum bag shot while instigating potentially deadly violence is a victory, every time a person dies at the hands of a scum bag who did not have a gun to defend themselves, then it's a tragedy.
 

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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #98 on: December 16, 2012, 12:34:35 PM »
Shooting a kid in the head with a gun is the easiest way to kill them and the most cowardly way compared to most other methods.

Rushing a group of people with a knife takes balls


The dude that shoots a load of kids and kills himself before getting apprehended and answer for his crimes is a coward of the highest order. Most of these fruit cakes are trying to assert some sort of power over people they don't have. The biggest joke is on them when they target innocent kids and kill themselves. Either way they have no regard for life including their own.



Whatever the cause of these gun massacres they are regulatly happening in America 'almost' exclusively.

Don't you ask yourselves why?

And if you're saying 'some could be conspiracies' then ask yourselves this:

If it happens a lot anyway, why would anyone need to fake 'some'?


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Re: 27 dead in elementary school shooting.....this shit has to be a set-up
« Reply #99 on: December 16, 2012, 12:35:11 PM »
Why can't you as a seemingly intelligent people work out that this is a distinctly American method of venting anger (towards almost always random innocent people) and it's carried out time and time again by your own people.
Wrong again. Most acts of violence in America, gun violence included, are premeditated and the victims are known. Not random innocent people as you put it. Again, the media owns your ass, and you're too blind to see it. You're too blind to see that the media is in bed with the government as well.

People with your logic would ban arms and hands if strangulation deaths went up in your neck-of-the-woods lol


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