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Re: Reasonable Doubt is easily Jay-Z's best album. Anyone disagree?
« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2012, 04:16:24 PM »
the fact that Jay was more piggy-backing Raekwon and Nas, meant That the album offered little in the way of originality.

Respectfully disagree there. The gangsta element Rae and Nas had already capitalized on, no doubt.

I thought this brought more of a gangster point of view to the NY rap scene. Instead of running in niggas cribs with a mac 10 for a robbery, I thought he did a good job at articulating the stress and paranoia, vulnerability if you will that was missing from previous mafioso rap in the early nineties.

Cuban Linx and It Was Written were like two giant circuses filled with violence and grit, while Reasonable Doubt, in my opinion felt like an intimate conversation with a gangster somewhere at the top, looking back at the subject matter in Nas and Rae's worlds.

I'm not saying Reasonable Doubt was a better effort than the other two albums, but to me it is creatively different than them.
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« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2012, 07:32:40 PM »
I agree it's a default answer for people to say Reasonable Doubt is his best. He undoubtedly got better as time went on.

And for the person who said Jay dropped got singles but his albums never matched - you couldn't be farther from the truth. Jay has probably the deepest catalogue in hip hop in terms of both quantity and quality.

RD is classic, Blueprint is great, black album is his 3rd best and that one is really over rated. 4 really dope songs the rest were disappointing. In my lifetimes series all have some good songs, but the majority of those albums are skippers. Everything after black album is forgettable as hell. Still makes good singles but his albums aren't anything special. N's in Paris and Run this town are great singles and like I said, he's always been good at that.

When you consider his whole discog, the majority of it isn't nearly as good as people make it out to be.
 

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« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2012, 07:46:46 PM »
Jay has probably the deepest catalogue in hip hop in terms of both quantity and quality.

lmao PLEASE!
 

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Re: Reasonable Doubt is easily Jay-Z's best album. Anyone disagree?
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2012, 04:05:56 AM »
Jay has probably the deepest catalogue in hip hop in terms of both quantity and quality.

lmao PLEASE!

Who tops him? He has 11 albums and 10 of them went number one. Who comes close to that? That's not including his album with Kanye or the ones with R Kelly.
 

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Re: Reasonable Doubt is easily Jay-Z's best album. Anyone disagree?
« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2012, 12:27:06 PM »
Jay has probably the deepest catalogue in hip hop in terms of both quantity and quality.

lmao PLEASE!

Who tops him? He has 11 albums and 10 of them went number one. Who comes close to that? That's not including his album with Kanye or the ones with R Kelly.

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Re: Reasonable Doubt is easily Jay-Z's best album. Anyone disagree?
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2012, 01:34:01 PM »
Jay has probably the deepest catalogue in hip hop in terms of both quantity and quality.

lmao PLEASE!

Who tops him? He has 11 albums and 10 of them went number one. Who comes close to that? That's not including his album with Kanye or the ones with R Kelly.

Do we really have to explain to you how sales don't equate with quality in regards to hip hop?

Look, I love Jay's catalog. Saying it's the deepest in both quantity and quality is silly. Tons of rappers have put out way more material, and tons of rappers have put out more high quality records.

That being said, if you feel Jay is the pinnacle of quality in rap, so be it. That's your opinion and no one can take that from you, but you do have to admit that there are others who have done more in the game.
 

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Re: Reasonable Doubt is easily Jay-Z's best album. Anyone disagree?
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2012, 07:15:19 PM »
Who has done more in the game then? Sales aside, nobody has 11 albums that match his quality. That's not an opinion - there's only a handful of rappers with 11 albums period. Tons of rappers have put out way more material? Who? And if you're counting mixtapes that doesn't count, that's where the watering down happens.

You're talking about a guy that dropped an album every summer for 8 years straight, one of them a double album. Several of them epic with game changing anthems that paved the way for some of the biggest producers of the last decade (Kanye, Just Blaze). Who matches that?

Snoop, Ice Cube, Eminem, Nas? I don't think so. Unless you can name rappers that top his catalogue in both quantity and quality then you've got no backing to what you say.
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« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2012, 04:56:14 AM »
^^^ even tho he's never been my personal fav i gotta admit.  Jay's track record is amazing
 

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« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2012, 08:01:41 AM »
Jay-Z only has so many #1 albums because he/his label bought a bunch of copies in those first week sales... fact, but I won't go too far into that I don't wanna derail this thread lol
 

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Re: Reasonable Doubt is easily Jay-Z's best album. Anyone disagree?
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2012, 08:47:34 AM »
Nah i think its safe to say that Jay earned that.  He might've went a little big head claiming GOAT so early but looking back at it i think its safe to say he was right (from a Success point of view)
 

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Re: Reasonable Doubt is easily Jay-Z's best album. Anyone disagree?
« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2012, 09:31:20 PM »
Who has done more in the game then? Sales aside, nobody has 11 albums that match his quality. That's not an opinion - there's only a handful of rappers with 11 albums period. Tons of rappers have put out way more material? Who? And if you're counting mixtapes that doesn't count, that's where the watering down happens.

You're talking about a guy that dropped an album every summer for 8 years straight, one of them a double album. Several of them epic with game changing anthems that paved the way for some of the biggest producers of the last decade (Kanye, Just Blaze). Who matches that?

Snoop, Ice Cube, Eminem, Nas? I don't think so. Unless you can name rappers that top his catalogue in both quantity and quality then you've got no backing to what you say.


LOL...this is laughable.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Dre#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tech_n9ne#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nas#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-Bo#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_QUIK#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Del_tha_Funkee_Homosapien#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarface_discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-40_discography


off top...and yea, even cube, snoop, and eminem can be argued, cuz their classics are better....amongst others. pac's first 5 albums slaughter jay'z first 5....your logic is flawed, jay has a nice catalogue, but he aint sittin on the top. not even close.
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Re: Reasonable Doubt is easily Jay-Z's best album. Anyone disagree?
« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2012, 10:27:06 PM »
Who has done more in the game then? Sales aside, nobody has 11 albums that match his quality. That's not an opinion - there's only a handful of rappers with 11 albums period. Tons of rappers have put out way more material? Who? And if you're counting mixtapes that doesn't count, that's where the watering down happens.

You're talking about a guy that dropped an album every summer for 8 years straight, one of them a double album. Several of them epic with game changing anthems that paved the way for some of the biggest producers of the last decade (Kanye, Just Blaze). Who matches that?

Snoop, Ice Cube, Eminem, Nas? I don't think so. Unless you can name rappers that top his catalogue in both quantity and quality then you've got no backing to what you say.


LOL...this is laughable.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Dre#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tech_n9ne#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nas#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-Bo#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_QUIK#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Del_tha_Funkee_Homosapien#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarface_discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-40_discography


off top...and yea, even cube, snoop, and eminem can be argued, cuz their classics are better....amongst others. pac's first 5 albums slaughter jay'z first 5....your logic is flawed, jay has a nice catalogue, but he aint sittin on the top. not even close.

You said "done more in the game", out of those names noone has had as much influence as Jay over a 15 year period in hip hop. Jays been responsible for moving the culture in multiple ways, not to mention his label brought us Kanye, State Prop, Dipset, J Cole and he basically gave the game Rihanna.
 

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Re: Reasonable Doubt is easily Jay-Z's best album. Anyone disagree?
« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2012, 11:13:17 PM »
Who has done more in the game then? Sales aside, nobody has 11 albums that match his quality. That's not an opinion - there's only a handful of rappers with 11 albums period. Tons of rappers have put out way more material? Who? And if you're counting mixtapes that doesn't count, that's where the watering down happens.

You're talking about a guy that dropped an album every summer for 8 years straight, one of them a double album. Several of them epic with game changing anthems that paved the way for some of the biggest producers of the last decade (Kanye, Just Blaze). Who matches that?

Snoop, Ice Cube, Eminem, Nas? I don't think so. Unless you can name rappers that top his catalogue in both quantity and quality then you've got no backing to what you say.


LOL...this is laughable.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Dre#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tech_n9ne#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nas#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-Bo#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_QUIK#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Del_tha_Funkee_Homosapien#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarface_discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-40_discography


off top...and yea, even cube, snoop, and eminem can be argued, cuz their classics are better....amongst others. pac's first 5 albums slaughter jay'z first 5....your logic is flawed, jay has a nice catalogue, but he aint sittin on the top. not even close.

You said "done more in the game", out of those names noone has had as much influence as Jay over a 15 year period in hip hop. Jays been responsible for moving the culture in multiple ways, not to mention his label brought us Kanye, State Prop, Dipset, J Cole and he basically gave the game Rihanna.


lol, dont fool yourself. jay-z might be more famous than all of em, but as far as substance goes, his catalogue is far from one of the bests in hip-hop. also, jay-z came in the game as a swagger-jacker ala the game. he's bitten more rhymes than anyone in hip-hop. now, as far as being a business-man/rapper, no one is touching jay, he's currently at the top. but jay-z is way more influenced by others than others are influenced by him when it comes to flat out emceeing.

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Re: Reasonable Doubt is easily Jay-Z's best album. Anyone disagree?
« Reply #43 on: January 01, 2013, 04:07:15 AM »
Who has done more in the game then? Sales aside, nobody has 11 albums that match his quality. That's not an opinion - there's only a handful of rappers with 11 albums period. Tons of rappers have put out way more material? Who? And if you're counting mixtapes that doesn't count, that's where the watering down happens.

You're talking about a guy that dropped an album every summer for 8 years straight, one of them a double album. Several of them epic with game changing anthems that paved the way for some of the biggest producers of the last decade (Kanye, Just Blaze). Who matches that?

Snoop, Ice Cube, Eminem, Nas? I don't think so. Unless you can name rappers that top his catalogue in both quantity and quality then you've got no backing to what you say.


LOL...this is laughable.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Dre#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tech_n9ne#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nas#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-Bo#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJ_QUIK#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Del_tha_Funkee_Homosapien#Discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarface_discography

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-40_discography


off top...and yea, even cube, snoop, and eminem can be argued, cuz their classics are better....amongst others. pac's first 5 albums slaughter jay'z first 5....your logic is flawed, jay has a nice catalogue, but he aint sittin on the top. not even close.

Quik came out 5 years before Jay and has 3 less albums than him. Quik has about 3 albums that hold a candle to Jay and that's about it.

Mac Dre, Tech N9ne, C-Bo, Del - I'm sorry they're just not in the same conversation even though I love Bo, Del and Tech. E-40 has a great catalogue, but he's dropped a lot of fluff the last 8 years. Can you honestly say his catalogue matches Jay's? I just don't agree. Your tastes in hip hop appear to be mostly west coast driven with some mid west horror-rap type. That's your forte, but nobody heralds albums from those guys as classics.
 

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Re: Reasonable Doubt is easily Jay-Z's best album. Anyone disagree?
« Reply #44 on: January 01, 2013, 04:12:11 AM »
Pac is my all-time favorite rapper, but only his last 3 of the first 5 (Me Against The World, All Eyez On Me, and Makaveli) top Jay's work. Realistically you can't compare them because Pac died only 5 years active in the game, and now we have Jay-Z on his third decade in the game and still on top.