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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2013, 10:23:52 PM »
For reals though, we have a culture problem, and these mass shootings are just an illusion, a distraction from the real problem. People in America don't know how to treat guns. We treat guns as a weekend hobby we do well we get drunk. We don't need gun control, we need people to become educated as to the dangers of guns, and how to properly treat them. We should educate people on guns the same way we educated them on civics, because guns are a civics issue in the US. Don't ban gun, teach people how to use them, clean them, respect them and store them to prevent home accidents. The most recent statistic is that 500 children died in home accidents in 2008. Here are some examples from 2008, I am trying to find more recent examples.

This is largely inaccurate, no offense. I don't know how many gun owners you know, but I was raised around people who hunt, and people who have guns in their home for protection. Out of let's say 10 households I remember with gun enthusiasts present, 9 of them practiced safe gun ownership. Alcohol was never involved in any firearm activity, not even a beer when hunting. What you're doing with that statement is letting the odd redneck/nigger/cholo's poor gun discipline speak for all gun owners in America and that's not fair. I agree we need more gun education, and support teaching it to the youth and adults regularly, but if you put out statements like that in an environment that matters, someone might believe you and start writing us all off as lazy idiots.

As a fellow registered gun owner, I would just like to say that if you think 9 out of 10 gun owners are responsible, that means 1 out of 10 is not, and that 1 person does extreme damage to the reputation of every gun owner. I am talking in a very narrow sounding board on dubcc, I have been here 12 years now and I know what I can get away with and who is watching. With that said, I am talking to people on this board, watch out and be responsible. I have met idiots who think a gun is a toy. I have family that leave guns laying around the house. And by the looks of the list of dead children I posted earlier, my family is not the only ones.

It's not fair to have the idiots speak for all gun owners, but it is also not addressing the problem to just ignore the idiots just because the majority of gun owners are responsible. My dad, who is a member of the NRA, Marine and who loads his own rounds as a past time is NOT the problem. But the idiot who leaves a loaded gun under his pillow for his 3 year old to find IS THE PROBLEM. The two guys who get dunk on weekends and go shooting, then wonder how there can be an accident IS THE PROBLEM. We need gun education, my father said when he went to Eisenhower High School in Rialto, CA, there was a gun class. You could even bring a gun to school and they had a place where they teach you how to work on the gun, and clean the gun. Of course he graduated in 1972. When I was in high school, my dad had me transferred out of Rialto because of the crime around the high school is the center of a 4 mile gang war zone. Times have changed.

We have lots of problems to address, but to start on assault rifles and large clips is the WRONG place to start. The place to start is the low hanging fruit. The idiots, the people who give gun owners a bad name. We need to get mental health on there, but we also need to get more education and screening.
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2013, 12:27:54 AM »
No problem, though I will say I don't consider myself anti-gun. My dad is a card carrying member of the NRA and former Marine. BUT he did have me go to every gun safety course before he let me touch a gun, and I technically own a couple of hunting rifles. (though they are still at my dad's house as I don't plan on having guns around my children until they are at least 13 years old.) I just think it's a culture issue. I posted this on my Facebook, a list of the known murders on New Years Day. One day into 2013, and we have this list to chew on.


7 people shot, 1 killed in a party in Columbus, GA
3 people shot and killed in Philly, one was just 17
2 victims were found shot to death in Elizabeth City, NC
A 31 year old man was killed at a social gathering in Suffolk, VA
11 people shot, 1 killed so far this new year in Chicago
A man shot and killed in a Georgia night club
4 people shot, 1 killed, the other three in critical condition in a shooting in Lansing, MI
4 shot, 1 killed in a gas station in Lorain, OH
A man killed his girlfriend in Port Arthur, TX
3 shot, 1 killed as a 19 year old boy died at a party in Clayton, NC
A man was shot to death in Corpus Christi, Texas early this morning
A 15 year old boy was killed visiting a friend for New Years when bullets hit their home in Flint, MI
A man was shot and killed in Indianapolis
And a woman died in Columbus, NC, her boyfriend is being held.
A college student was killed while at his parents house in New Orleans, LA
A man was found shot to death in a front porch in Cleveland, OH
2 men shot and killed in seperate tragidies Milwaukee, WI
A man was shot and killed outside a sports bar in Houston, TX

One day into the new year, it's amazing! Very few of these people were killed by assault rifle. We have a culture problem, and it's time to address it. To hammer it home, I am not in favor of gun restriction, but lately I have been open to owner restriction.

Damn. That's about 6 months worth in the UK (population around 60million)

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2013, 03:12:14 AM »
Hammers must go. Why are you yanks so obsessed with hardware tools? Just let the government ban them.

No way. I need to be armed with a hammer to prevent the government from taking my freedom

What Euro country do you rep? Does it suck knowing that you guys gave your king or whatever all your guns?

Considering my ava/username it isn't that hard to guess. But nice to see that you still can make these claims despite not even knowing which country I'm from.

Truth is, there are millions of gun owners here (no automatics tho). The difference is that we a) don't have a crazy cult that glorifies guns beyond all sanity and b) we don't live in an anarchistic country.
Actually, it doesn't suck in any way. And frankly we have no king and a more democratic constitution than you. I know that doesn't mean shit in those times were democracy is a chimera but your precious guns didn't stop your government from controlling you either. We don't have crazy uber powerful secret services and we didn't fall for that war on terrorism patriot act bs so I guess it isn't all that bad over here. Yet. Despite the fucking EU regime. But thank you for your interest.

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2013, 07:53:58 AM »
No problem, though I will say I don't consider myself anti-gun. My dad is a card carrying member of the NRA and former Marine. BUT he did have me go to every gun safety course before he let me touch a gun, and I technically own a couple of hunting rifles. (though they are still at my dad's house as I don't plan on having guns around my children until they are at least 13 years old.) I just think it's a culture issue. I posted this on my Facebook, a list of the known murders on New Years Day. One day into 2013, and we have this list to chew on.

One day into the new year, it's amazing! Very few of these people were killed by assault rifle. We have a culture problem, and it's time to address it. To hammer it home, I am not in favor of gun restriction, but lately I have been open to owner restriction.

Well, nice to see that there are some reasonable people left. I consider myself a pacifist, but I can respect private gun ownership if the people who carry them are able to treat them more rational.
Many people love guns so much that they would give them names and keep them in their bed.  There are so many idiots around the world who lack any responsibility and mind, let alone mental problems, who you better don't encourage to have guns.

I ain't gonna lie, a gun might be useful in the future when this system collapses.
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2013, 10:02:30 AM »
theres murders all the time in LA, and basically they get little to no media coverage.


only when it happens in predominant white communities, or the victims happen to be whites that arnt crimnials or drug addicts, .
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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2013, 11:36:14 AM »
http://www.lacountymurders.com/

But right now, there are NO murders in LA County for the new year! But there is a tracker.
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2013, 10:46:17 AM »
I got my first pellet gun when I was 6. My Dad taught me from a very young age how to handle and respect a gun. Never have once touched alcohol while shooting and never will. The same goes for the vast majority of gun owners I know personally.

The 2nd amendment was put in place to protect citizens in the event their government turns to tyranny which is what we are seeing now. That is why they want to disarm everyone now.

What happens when governments disarm their citizens?

-In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated

-In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

-Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

-China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated

-Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

-Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

-Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

-Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.


Check this vid:
INNOCENTS BETRAYED - The TRUE story of GUN CONTROL WORLDWIDE (Documentary - 58 Mins) - Innocents Betrayed - YouTube

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.

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"Gun control has cleared the way for seven major genocides since 1915, in which governments gone bad murdered 56,000,000 persons, including millions of children." -Aaron Zelman of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2013, 11:52:13 AM »
I got my first pellet gun when I was 6. My Dad taught me from a very young age how to handle and respect a gun. Never have once touched alcohol while shooting and never will. The same goes for the vast majority of gun owners I know personally.

The 2nd amendment was put in place to protect citizens in the event their government turns to tyranny which is what we are seeing now. That is why they want to disarm everyone now.

What happens when governments disarm their citizens?

-In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated

-In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

-Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

-China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated

-Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

-Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

-Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

-Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.


Check this vid:
INNOCENTS BETRAYED - The TRUE story of GUN CONTROL WORLDWIDE (Documentary - 58 Mins) - Innocents Betrayed - YouTube

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens. Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late! The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'. During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED! If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.

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"Gun control has cleared the way for seven major genocides since 1915, in which governments gone bad murdered 56,000,000 persons, including millions of children." -Aaron Zelman of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership




Jrome takes a stroll, America circa 2020 :'(
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2013, 12:17:28 PM »
What do you have to say about those numbers of genocides on disarmed populous' Will? Your dodge tactics are getting redundant again. Are you able to actually debate like a grown up?
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2013, 12:44:08 PM »
What do you have to say about those numbers of genocides on disarmed populous' Will? Your dodge tactics are getting redundant again. Are you able to actually debate like a grown up?

You're comparing modern America to Uganda in the early 1970's, what do you expect me to say?

And since when did this become a 'run everything passed OG Will' thread. I think you need to remember there's a much bigger world out there than this 'internet safety blanket' you've knitted for yourself.
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2013, 12:57:31 PM »
I am not talking of unarming honest Americans. I am talking about making a provision that in order to own a gun, you have to prove you can handle a gun, clean a gun, know how to store a gun, and know that a gun is more likely to shot a family member than an intruder. These are gun basics. Right now ANYONE can buy a gun. You say the majority of people respect guns, I don't argue that. But if everyone respected guns, we would not be the nation with the most murders in the Industrialized World. We would not have so many kids who die from gun accidents each year. We have a huge problem.

Lets also look at mental health. We have lost more soldiers to suicide than to combat. We allow people who have mental health issues to get a gun. It's time we stop saying, I'M A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER, DON'T TALK ABOUT ME. THAT'S BULLSHIT. I am a gun owner too, and I'm bringing it up. We need to change. It's time we look from within and figure out how to get people to respect guns. I am sick and tired of babies dying in gun accidents. I am sick and tired of the same profile of white male committing mass shootings. I am sick and tired of children dying in gang cross fires. I am sick and tired of IDIOTS owning guns and thinking it's a damn toy.

When I posted on my Facebook about the lack of respect people have for guns, my dad shocked me when he said, "That's why I never bought you a BB gun, but you know how to fire an M-1. Straight up, he never bought me a pallet gun, but I was 14 years old firing M-1's and an SKS Soviet military semi-automatic. As I said, I am NOT anti-gun, I am not even anti-assault rifle. But I am against IDIOTS getting a gun. And it's IDIOTS to usually want assault rifles.

You want a gun, the constitution allows that. But also know that there are people who non-gun owners call "GUN NUTS" and it's these people that give you, and me a bad name.
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2013, 01:38:27 PM »
What do you have to say about those numbers of genocides on disarmed populous' Will? Your dodge tactics are getting redundant again. Are you able to actually debate like a grown up?

You're comparing modern America to Uganda in the early 1970's, what do you expect me to say?

And since when did this become a 'run everything passed OG Will' thread. I think you need to remember there's a much bigger world out there than this 'internet safety blanket' you've knitted for yourself.

So you think it's complete randomness and coincidence that these genocides took place after their respective countries were disarmed? 56 million people slaughtered? Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it. It's unfortunate for you to deny the truth right in front of your face. I truly pity you.

It's not only about you, but you're so lost / misdirected and outspoken about your views, that I feel it's my duty as a human being to try and help you. I know it's most likely pointless but maybe someday you'll see how terribly flawed your argument is. And the fact that I make your arguments look stupid every time I post, I can see why you no longer want to debate.

And please spare me with the Internet talk...you're on here all the time. We both have 6k posts but my account is over 10 yrs old. How about you?
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2013, 01:44:23 PM »
What do you have to say about those numbers of genocides on disarmed populous' Will? Your dodge tactics are getting redundant again. Are you able to actually debate like a grown up?

You're comparing modern America to Uganda in the early 1970's, what do you expect me to say?

And since when did this become a 'run everything passed OG Will' thread. I think you need to remember there's a much bigger world out there than this 'internet safety blanket' you've knitted for yourself.

So you think it's complete randomness and coincidence that these genocides took place after their respective countries were disarmed? 56 million people slaughtered? Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it. It's unfortunate for you to deny the truth right in front of your face. I truly pity you.

It's not only about you, but you're so lost / misdirected and outspoken about your views, that I feel it's my duty as a human being to try and help you. I know it's most likely pointless but maybe someday you'll see how terribly flawed your argument is. And the fact that I make your arguments look stupid every time I post, I can see why you no longer want to debate.

And please spare me with the Internet talk...you're on here all the time. We both have 6k posts but my account is over 10 yrs old. How about you?

I'm sorry your posts are just getting more blah blah blah to me.

I'm not at all interested in you or your posts at the end of the day.

Having said that, I would like to see you respond to M Dogg who is a total breath of fresh air by comparison, and seems to be the definition of a free thinking American. Good luck with that ;)
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2013, 01:47:29 PM »
I am not talking of unarming honest Americans. I am talking about making a provision that in order to own a gun, you have to prove you can handle a gun, clean a gun, know how to store a gun, and know that a gun is more likely to shot a family member than an intruder. These are gun basics. Right now ANYONE can buy a gun. You say the majority of people respect guns, I don't argue that. But if everyone respected guns, we would not be the nation with the most murders in the Industrialized World. We would not have so many kids who die from gun accidents each year. We have a huge problem.

Lets also look at mental health. We have lost more soldiers to suicide than to combat. We allow people who have mental health issues to get a gun. It's time we stop saying, I'M A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER, DON'T TALK ABOUT ME. THAT'S BULLSHIT. I am a gun owner too, and I'm bringing it up. We need to change. It's time we look from within and figure out how to get people to respect guns. I am sick and tired of babies dying in gun accidents. I am sick and tired of the same profile of white male committing mass shootings. I am sick and tired of children dying in gang cross fires. I am sick and tired of IDIOTS owning guns and thinking it's a damn toy.

When I posted on my Facebook about the lack of respect people have for guns, my dad shocked me when he said, "That's why I never bought you a BB gun, but you know how to fire an M-1. Straight up, he never bought me a pallet gun, but I was 14 years old firing M-1's and an SKS Soviet military semi-automatic. As I said, I am NOT anti-gun, I am not even anti-assault rifle. But I am against IDIOTS getting a gun. And it's IDIOTS to usually want assault rifles.

You want a gun, the constitution allows that. But also know that there are people who non-gun owners call "GUN NUTS" and it's these people that give you, and me a bad name.

I was with you up until you said you're sick of white people committing mass shootings...you need to do a better job at rising above racism my friend. By your statement, you're not sick of Blacks, Mexicans, etc killing each other for decades of turf wars?

You also forget the Malvo serial killer that terrorized DC about 10 years ago? 2 black guys went around sniping innocent people. But that's ok because they're black right?

The powers that be drive race into your mind daily because it keeps you distracted from looking at them. Don't fall into the trap.
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2013, 01:49:37 PM »
What do you have to say about those numbers of genocides on disarmed populous' Will? Your dodge tactics are getting redundant again. Are you able to actually debate like a grown up?

You're comparing modern America to Uganda in the early 1970's, what do you expect me to say?

And since when did this become a 'run everything passed OG Will' thread. I think you need to remember there's a much bigger world out there than this 'internet safety blanket' you've knitted for yourself.

So you think it's complete randomness and coincidence that these genocides took place after their respective countries were disarmed? 56 million people slaughtered? Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it. It's unfortunate for you to deny the truth right in front of your face. I truly pity you.

It's not only about you, but you're so lost / misdirected and outspoken about your views, that I feel it's my duty as a human being to try and help you. I know it's most likely pointless but maybe someday you'll see how terribly flawed your argument is. And the fact that I make your arguments look stupid every time I post, I can see why you no longer want to debate.

And please spare me with the Internet talk...you're on here all the time. We both have 6k posts but my account is over 10 yrs old. How about you?

I'm sorry your posts are just getting more blah blah blah to me.

I'm not at all interested in you or your posts at the end of the day.

Having said that, I would like to see you respond to M Dogg who is a total breath of fresh air by comparison, and seems to be the definition of a free thinking American. Good luck with that ;)

Dodging again. That's fine though little willy, run along I'm sure it's time to go breast feed from ya mum.
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2013, 01:54:12 PM »
What do you have to say about those numbers of genocides on disarmed populous' Will? Your dodge tactics are getting redundant again. Are you able to actually debate like a grown up?

You're comparing modern America to Uganda in the early 1970's, what do you expect me to say?

And since when did this become a 'run everything passed OG Will' thread. I think you need to remember there's a much bigger world out there than this 'internet safety blanket' you've knitted for yourself.

So you think it's complete randomness and coincidence that these genocides took place after their respective countries were disarmed? 56 million people slaughtered? Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it. It's unfortunate for you to deny the truth right in front of your face. I truly pity you.

It's not only about you, but you're so lost / misdirected and outspoken about your views, that I feel it's my duty as a human being to try and help you. I know it's most likely pointless but maybe someday you'll see how terribly flawed your argument is. And the fact that I make your arguments look stupid every time I post, I can see why you no longer want to debate.

And please spare me with the Internet talk...you're on here all the time. We both have 6k posts but my account is over 10 yrs old. How about you?

I'm sorry your posts are just getting more blah blah blah to me.

I'm not at all interested in you or your posts at the end of the day.

Having said that, I would like to see you respond to M Dogg who is a total breath of fresh air by comparison, and seems to be the definition of a free thinking American. Good luck with that ;)

Dodging again. That's fine though little willy, run along I'm sure it's time to go breast feed from ya mum.

LOL just keep repeating that my dude :)
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2013, 01:59:26 PM »
I'm not your dude. We have more of a pimp (me) and ho (you) relationship.
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2013, 02:06:31 PM »
I'm not your dude. We have more of a pimp (me) and ho (you) relationship.

And you were asking for serious debate?

Don't let yourself down.

I'm here to talk music and the occasional laugh but this massacre caused me to vocalise my humanitarian side.



You however have gone from edgy conspiracy theorist and championer of the 'oppressed' ...


To fucking zero.

No offense ;)
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2013, 02:15:02 PM »
I am not talking of unarming honest Americans. I am talking about making a provision that in order to own a gun, you have to prove you can handle a gun, clean a gun, know how to store a gun, and know that a gun is more likely to shot a family member than an intruder. These are gun basics. Right now ANYONE can buy a gun. You say the majority of people respect guns, I don't argue that. But if everyone respected guns, we would not be the nation with the most murders in the Industrialized World. We would not have so many kids who die from gun accidents each year. We have a huge problem.

Lets also look at mental health. We have lost more soldiers to suicide than to combat. We allow people who have mental health issues to get a gun. It's time we stop saying, I'M A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER, DON'T TALK ABOUT ME. THAT'S BULLSHIT. I am a gun owner too, and I'm bringing it up. We need to change. It's time we look from within and figure out how to get people to respect guns. I am sick and tired of babies dying in gun accidents. I am sick and tired of the same profile of white male committing mass shootings. I am sick and tired of children dying in gang cross fires. I am sick and tired of IDIOTS owning guns and thinking it's a damn toy.

When I posted on my Facebook about the lack of respect people have for guns, my dad shocked me when he said, "That's why I never bought you a BB gun, but you know how to fire an M-1. Straight up, he never bought me a pallet gun, but I was 14 years old firing M-1's and an SKS Soviet military semi-automatic. As I said, I am NOT anti-gun, I am not even anti-assault rifle. But I am against IDIOTS getting a gun. And it's IDIOTS to usually want assault rifles.

You want a gun, the constitution allows that. But also know that there are people who non-gun owners call "GUN NUTS" and it's these people that give you, and me a bad name.

I was with you up until you said you're sick of white people committing mass shootings...you need to do a better job at rising above racism my friend. By your statement, you're not sick of Blacks, Mexicans, etc killing each other for decades of turf wars?

You also forget the Malvo serial killer that terrorized DC about 10 years ago? 2 black guys went around sniping innocent people. But that's ok because they're black right?

The powers that be drive race into your mind daily because it keeps you distracted from looking at them. Don't fall into the trap.


So this is how you think, this is how you try to discredit the truth? Hey it's up to you to stay stuck in your own ignorance.
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2013, 02:56:56 PM »
I'm not your dude. We have more of a pimp (me) and ho (you) relationship.

And you were asking for serious debate?

Don't let yourself down.

I'm here to talk music and the occasional laugh but this massacre caused me to vocalise my humanitarian side.



You however have gone from edgy conspiracy theorist and championer of the 'oppressed' ...


To fucking zero.

No offense ;)

I'd tell you to stick to discussing hip hop, but your taste in that sucks as well.

Sorry Will but you're boring and incapable of debate. I have to entertain myself somehow.
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #45 on: January 04, 2013, 03:01:01 PM »
I am not talking of unarming honest Americans. I am talking about making a provision that in order to own a gun, you have to prove you can handle a gun, clean a gun, know how to store a gun, and know that a gun is more likely to shot a family member than an intruder. These are gun basics. Right now ANYONE can buy a gun. You say the majority of people respect guns, I don't argue that. But if everyone respected guns, we would not be the nation with the most murders in the Industrialized World. We would not have so many kids who die from gun accidents each year. We have a huge problem.

Lets also look at mental health. We have lost more soldiers to suicide than to combat. We allow people who have mental health issues to get a gun. It's time we stop saying, I'M A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER, DON'T TALK ABOUT ME. THAT'S BULLSHIT. I am a gun owner too, and I'm bringing it up. We need to change. It's time we look from within and figure out how to get people to respect guns. I am sick and tired of babies dying in gun accidents. I am sick and tired of the same profile of white male committing mass shootings. I am sick and tired of children dying in gang cross fires. I am sick and tired of IDIOTS owning guns and thinking it's a damn toy.

When I posted on my Facebook about the lack of respect people have for guns, my dad shocked me when he said, "That's why I never bought you a BB gun, but you know how to fire an M-1. Straight up, he never bought me a pallet gun, but I was 14 years old firing M-1's and an SKS Soviet military semi-automatic. As I said, I am NOT anti-gun, I am not even anti-assault rifle. But I am against IDIOTS getting a gun. And it's IDIOTS to usually want assault rifles.

You want a gun, the constitution allows that. But also know that there are people who non-gun owners call "GUN NUTS" and it's these people that give you, and me a bad name.

I was with you up until you said you're sick of white people committing mass shootings...you need to do a better job at rising above racism my friend. By your statement, you're not sick of Blacks, Mexicans, etc killing each other for decades of turf wars?

You also forget the Malvo serial killer that terrorized DC about 10 years ago? 2 black guys went around sniping innocent people. But that's ok because they're black right?

The powers that be drive race into your mind daily because it keeps you distracted from looking at them. Don't fall into the trap.


So this is how you think, this is how you try to discredit the truth? Hey it's up to you to stay stuck in your own ignorance.

What truth are you referring to? Your post was racist and you prolly didn't even realize it till I pointed it out to you. You're the one that said you're sick of white people killing, which infers that you aren't sick of other races killing.

Jon Malvo and the other dude were black serial killers.

U mad at whitey Mdogg?

 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #47 on: January 04, 2013, 08:52:02 PM »
I am not talking of unarming honest Americans. I am talking about making a provision that in order to own a gun, you have to prove you can handle a gun, clean a gun, know how to store a gun, and know that a gun is more likely to shot a family member than an intruder. These are gun basics. Right now ANYONE can buy a gun. You say the majority of people respect guns, I don't argue that. But if everyone respected guns, we would not be the nation with the most murders in the Industrialized World. We would not have so many kids who die from gun accidents each year. We have a huge problem.

Lets also look at mental health. We have lost more soldiers to suicide than to combat. We allow people who have mental health issues to get a gun. It's time we stop saying, I'M A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER, DON'T TALK ABOUT ME. THAT'S BULLSHIT. I am a gun owner too, and I'm bringing it up. We need to change. It's time we look from within and figure out how to get people to respect guns. I am sick and tired of babies dying in gun accidents. I am sick and tired of the same profile of white male committing mass shootings. I am sick and tired of children dying in gang cross fires. I am sick and tired of IDIOTS owning guns and thinking it's a damn toy.

When I posted on my Facebook about the lack of respect people have for guns, my dad shocked me when he said, "That's why I never bought you a BB gun, but you know how to fire an M-1. Straight up, he never bought me a pallet gun, but I was 14 years old firing M-1's and an SKS Soviet military semi-automatic. As I said, I am NOT anti-gun, I am not even anti-assault rifle. But I am against IDIOTS getting a gun. And it's IDIOTS to usually want assault rifles.

You want a gun, the constitution allows that. But also know that there are people who non-gun owners call "GUN NUTS" and it's these people that give you, and me a bad name.

I was with you up until you said you're sick of white people committing mass shootings...you need to do a better job at rising above racism my friend. By your statement, you're not sick of Blacks, Mexicans, etc killing each other for decades of turf wars?

You also forget the Malvo serial killer that terrorized DC about 10 years ago? 2 black guys went around sniping innocent people. But that's ok because they're black right?

The powers that be drive race into your mind daily because it keeps you distracted from looking at them. Don't fall into the trap.


So this is how you think, this is how you try to discredit the truth? Hey it's up to you to stay stuck in your own ignorance.

What truth are you referring to? Your post was racist and you prolly didn't even realize it till I pointed it out to you. You're the one that said you're sick of white people killing, which infers that you aren't sick of other races killing.

Jon Malvo and the other dude were black serial killers.

U mad at whitey Mdogg?



Not mad at whitey. But when I heard about Sandy Hook, and I already knew the profile of the killer before it was even released to the public is a very, very telling statement about the recent history of mass murderers. You keep pointing to DC sniper, you could also point to Virginia Tech as the killer was Asian. But that's only two out of many. Now I will be honest, Asians do have a high number of mass murders as well, and Blacks and Latinos have a couple. But compared to whites, no minority is even close. In 2012, look at who has been doing the shooting.

Adam Lanza; Newtown, CT; 28 dead; White (mentally ill)
Andrew Engeldinger; Minneapolis, MN; 8 dead; White (killed his employer and others after being fired)
Wade Michael Page; Oak Creek, WI; 10 dead; White (thought he was shooting at Muslims, turned out they were Sikhs)
James Holmes; Aurora, CO; 70 dead; White (mentally ill)
Ian Stawicki; Seattle, WA; 7 dead; White (reason unknown, girlfriend said he was acting weird that day)
One L. Goh; Oakland, CA; 10 dead; Asian (Former nursing student who wanted revenge after being teased)
Jeong Soo Paek; Atlanta, GA; 5 dead; Asian (killed sisters, their husbands and then himself in a dispute)

Mass murders death count this last year by race: Blacks: 0; Latino: 0; Asians: 15; Whites: 118
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #48 on: January 06, 2013, 09:16:01 AM »
I am not talking of unarming honest Americans. I am talking about making a provision that in order to own a gun, you have to prove you can handle a gun, clean a gun, know how to store a gun, and know that a gun is more likely to shot a family member than an intruder. These are gun basics. Right now ANYONE can buy a gun. You say the majority of people respect guns, I don't argue that. But if everyone respected guns, we would not be the nation with the most murders in the Industrialized World. We would not have so many kids who die from gun accidents each year. We have a huge problem.

Lets also look at mental health. We have lost more soldiers to suicide than to combat. We allow people who have mental health issues to get a gun. It's time we stop saying, I'M A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER, DON'T TALK ABOUT ME. THAT'S BULLSHIT. I am a gun owner too, and I'm bringing it up. We need to change. It's time we look from within and figure out how to get people to respect guns. I am sick and tired of babies dying in gun accidents. I am sick and tired of the same profile of white male committing mass shootings. I am sick and tired of children dying in gang cross fires. I am sick and tired of IDIOTS owning guns and thinking it's a damn toy.

When I posted on my Facebook about the lack of respect people have for guns, my dad shocked me when he said, "That's why I never bought you a BB gun, but you know how to fire an M-1. Straight up, he never bought me a pallet gun, but I was 14 years old firing M-1's and an SKS Soviet military semi-automatic. As I said, I am NOT anti-gun, I am not even anti-assault rifle. But I am against IDIOTS getting a gun. And it's IDIOTS to usually want assault rifles.

You want a gun, the constitution allows that. But also know that there are people who non-gun owners call "GUN NUTS" and it's these people that give you, and me a bad name.

I was with you up until you said you're sick of white people committing mass shootings...you need to do a better job at rising above racism my friend. By your statement, you're not sick of Blacks, Mexicans, etc killing each other for decades of turf wars?

You also forget the Malvo serial killer that terrorized DC about 10 years ago? 2 black guys went around sniping innocent people. But that's ok because they're black right?

The powers that be drive race into your mind daily because it keeps you distracted from looking at them. Don't fall into the trap.


So this is how you think, this is how you try to discredit the truth? Hey it's up to you to stay stuck in your own ignorance.

What truth are you referring to? Your post was racist and you prolly didn't even realize it till I pointed it out to you. You're the one that said you're sick of white people killing, which infers that you aren't sick of other races killing.

Jon Malvo and the other dude were black serial killers.

U mad at whitey Mdogg?



Not mad at whitey. But when I heard about Sandy Hook, and I already knew the profile of the killer before it was even released to the public is a very, very telling statement about the recent history of mass murderers. You keep pointing to DC sniper, you could also point to Virginia Tech as the killer was Asian. But that's only two out of many. Now I will be honest, Asians do have a high number of mass murders as well, and Blacks and Latinos have a couple. But compared to whites, no minority is even close. In 2012, look at who has been doing the shooting.

Adam Lanza; Newtown, CT; 28 dead; White (mentally ill)
Andrew Engeldinger; Minneapolis, MN; 8 dead; White (killed his employer and others after being fired)
Wade Michael Page; Oak Creek, WI; 10 dead; White (thought he was shooting at Muslims, turned out they were Sikhs)
James Holmes; Aurora, CO; 70 dead; White (mentally ill)
Ian Stawicki; Seattle, WA; 7 dead; White (reason unknown, girlfriend said he was acting weird that day)
One L. Goh; Oakland, CA; 10 dead; Asian (Former nursing student who wanted revenge after being teased)
Jeong Soo Paek; Atlanta, GA; 5 dead; Asian (killed sisters, their husbands and then himself in a dispute)

Mass murders death count this last year by race: Blacks: 0; Latino: 0; Asians: 15; Whites: 118

There were over 500 murders in Chicago in 2012. Guess how many of those were by blacks? 65% or 325. Are you sick of that too or no?

The man has you right where he wants you...looking at superficial bullshit that he waves in front of your face which distracts and prevents you from doing a little digging and seeing how the man is truly the one responsible for these tragedies. But people like you and willy laugh that off, so comfortable in your belief system and faith in your masters despite the facts and history to prove otherwise.
 

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Re: Why is this shooting not getting more attention?
« Reply #49 on: January 06, 2013, 10:43:21 AM »
LOL Jrome still muddying the waters , not acknowledging the difference between massacres and murder.