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I heard one theory by Big Syke (Outlawz, one of 2pac's disciples) today that really resonated with me.  He said that rap is a form of information and communication.  And that there is no communication anymore.  If they are just talking about snapping and popping and booty shaking then there is no information and communication.   

Rappers used to really dig into their life stories, so people from different parts of the world could know what was happening in other regions.

...those were some of the points he touched on
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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2013, 07:14:09 PM »
people don't wanna hear a message or music wit meaningful content anymore it seems. the simpler the content the more repetitive the music is the more appealing it is to the average dummy which is why it's called ''dumbin' down''. there is meaningful music that's just as dope as shit back in the day but if if ain't on radio to some people it don't matter.
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2013, 07:19:15 PM »
I feel Nelly is to blame.
 

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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2013, 02:03:13 AM »
"real" hip hop records are still being made today in underground / independant artist. What they play on the radio and Mtv is Commercial rap. Hip Hop is a big business now so corporate amercia wants a piece of the pie and they dictate whats "hot" for the moment and everyone copies the trend. I could give a shit about the radio and whos in the lime light. Sure i would like to see some of my favorite independant artist make it to commercial success but right now, hip hop is going back to the roots and keeping it in the streets. If you have your ear the street instead of the radio then you know whats poppin'.
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2013, 02:20:35 AM »
"real" hip hop records are still being made today in underground / independant artist. What they play on the radio and Mtv is Commercial rap. Hip Hop is a big business now so corporate amercia wants a piece of the pie and they dictate whats "hot" for the moment and everyone copies the trend. I could give a shit about the radio and whos in the lime light. Sure i would like to see some of my favorite independant artist make it to commercial success but right now, hip hop is going back to the roots and keeping it in the streets. If you have your ear the street instead of the radio then you know whats poppin'.


+1 Whoever says there wasn't many dope artists around just don't bother to look for them.

Side note: Listened to Frank Ocean's nostalgia, Ultra just yesterday for the first time, it's fuckin dope!
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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2013, 07:26:07 AM »
Dilution and mass appeal = less and less "real". We now live in a world where people prefer the signifier to the thing being signified, the symbol to the reality. This era will go down in history as "Champagne Times" - lots of bubble, fizz and sparkle to mask a complete lack or content or core.
 

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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2013, 07:53:32 AM »
I feel Nelly is to blame.

Absolutely. All started with that "Hot In Here" song.
 

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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2013, 08:24:38 AM »
Plus the rappers who came up in the nineties grew up with the evolution of hiphop though the 80's and all that dope music they sampled, grew up in musical environments where folks played the oldies etc. the art was changing fast and artists were really breaking new ground.

Kids who grew up with playstations and everything on plate for them don't got nothing real to spit about, no creativity and no competition from their peers, no interest in communities, politics, never read a book, no movement no nothing.

All they got is the image and desire for $$$
 

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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2013, 08:42:50 AM »



+1 Whoever says there wasn't many dope artists around just don't bother to look for them.

Side note: Listened to Frank Ocean's nostalgia, it's fuckin dope!

The homo who openly sings about making love to other men?  No thanks
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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2013, 09:45:06 AM »
One theory I've been pondering is how every generation seems to hate the generation(s) that come after it. Like how rock fans in the 80's hated rock in the 90's. Now of course, all sorts of factors come into play like personal taste and whatnot so it doesn't refer to everybody but it does happen. It wouldn't surprise me if maybe hip-hop's going through that stage now. It probably just feels like a big deal because hip hop hasn't been around as long as other genres. In 20 years from now I expect hip-hop to sound much more different and the fans of hip-hop right now (who I'm guessing are generally late-90's/00's babies) will hate it just like how 80's & early 90's babies hate hip-hop as of right now.
Of course I'm referring mainly to the mainstream scene though. You'll always find great music in the underground scene, it's just becoming a matter of how far do you have to dig to find it.
 

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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2013, 10:07:05 AM »



+1 Whoever says there wasn't many dope artists around just don't bother to look for them.

Side note: Listened to Frank Ocean's nostalgia, it's fuckin dope!

The homo who openly sings about making love to other men?  No thanks

And by "no thanks" you mean that you never listened to any of his songs, I guess? Damn Brian, the day your opinion holds any weight is the day the world's going to end.

One theory I've been pondering is how every generation seems to hate the generation(s) that come after it. Like how rock fans in the 80's hated rock in the 90's. Now of course, all sorts of factors come into play like personal taste and whatnot so it doesn't refer to everybody but it does happen. It wouldn't surprise me if maybe hip-hop's going through that stage now. It probably just feels like a big deal because hip hop hasn't been around as long as other genres. In 20 years from now I expect hip-hop to sound much more different and the fans of hip-hop right now (who I'm guessing are generally late-90's/00's babies) will hate it just like how 80's & early 90's babies hate hip-hop as of right now.
Of course I'm referring mainly to the mainstream scene though. You'll always find great music in the underground scene, it's just becoming a matter of how far do you have to dig to find it.

This comes to mind.

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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2013, 10:42:07 AM »
One theory I've been pondering is how every generation seems to hate the generation(s) that come after it. Like how rock fans in the 80's hated rock in the 90's. Now of course, all sorts of factors come into play like personal taste and whatnot so it doesn't refer to everybody but it does happen. It wouldn't surprise me if maybe hip-hop's going through that stage now. It probably just feels like a big deal because hip hop hasn't been around as long as other genres. In 20 years from now I expect hip-hop to sound much more different and the fans of hip-hop right now (who I'm guessing are generally late-90's/00's babies) will hate it just like how 80's & early 90's babies hate hip-hop as of right now.
Of course I'm referring mainly to the mainstream scene though. You'll always find great music in the underground scene, it's just becoming a matter of how far do you have to dig to find it.

Nice post.  On point.
 

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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2013, 11:21:41 AM »
rap wasnt really mainstream like it is today. rap just went big and because of that there is a ton of wack mainstream shit now

 

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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2013, 11:23:10 AM »
Plus the rappers who came up in the nineties grew up with the evolution of hiphop though the 80's and all that dope music they sampled, grew up in musical environments where folks played the oldies etc. the art was changing fast and artists were really breaking new ground.

Kids who grew up with playstations and everything on plate for them don't got nothing real to spit about, no creativity and no competition from their peers, no interest in communities, politics, never read a book, no movement no nothing.

All they got is the image and desire for $$$

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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2013, 11:23:39 AM »



+1 Whoever says there wasn't many dope artists around just don't bother to look for them.

Side note: Listened to Frank Ocean's nostalgia, it's fuckin dope!

The homo who openly sings about making love to other men?  No thanks
LOL
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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2013, 11:33:26 AM »



+1 Whoever says there wasn't many dope artists around just don't bother to look for them.

Side note: Listened to Frank Ocean's nostalgia, it's fuckin dope!

The homo who openly sings about making love to other men?  No thanks

you clearly have never heard one Frank Ocean song... he has zero songs about that subject with the exception of maybe "Forest Gump"

Frank Ocean > insert generic cheesy popular R&B singer here
 

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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2013, 11:34:49 AM »
I feel Nelly is to blame.

Absolutely. All started with that "Hot In Here" song.

well I think it started with track number two off his first album "St. Louie" and then "Hot In Herre" kinda put the nail in the coffin

now when I think of it so many wack dudes from St. Louis ruined hip-hop like Nelly, Chingy, Huey, etc.
 

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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2013, 01:00:39 PM »
I heard one theory by Big Syke (Outlawz, one of 2pac's disciples) today that really resonated with me.  He said that rap is a form of information and communication.  And that there is no communication anymore.  If they are just talking about snapping and popping and booty shaking then there is no information and communication.  

Rappers used to really dig into their life stories, so people from different parts of the world could know what was happening in other regions.

...those were some of the points he touched on

there is communication. But they don't communicate through music anymore. Back in the days rappers were writing songs to tell people about something. Nowadays they use twitter, facebook etc. I'm not saying they shouldn't be using them but you can see how emotional they get on their fanpages or however they call it. I bet these are the same emotions they used to put on a paper in the past. They simply exchanged pad and pen for twitter. Now think how many beefs there was on a twitter in last few years. And how many beefs on the tracks...

Yes, exaggeration maybe... but there must be something in it.
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+1 Whoever says there wasn't many dope artists around just don't bother to look for them.

Side note: Listened to Frank Ocean's nostalgia, it's fuckin dope!

The homo who openly sings about making love to other men?  No thanks

you clearly have never heard one Frank Ocean song... he has zero songs about that subject with the exception of maybe "Forest Gump"

Frank Ocean > insert generic cheesy popular R&B singer here

LOL It's so obvious, but that's fuckin Brian for ya.

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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2013, 02:58:55 PM »
Dilution and mass appeal = less and less "real". We now live in a world where people prefer the signifier to the thing being signified, the symbol to the reality. This era will go down in history as "Champagne Times" - lots of bubble, fizz and sparkle to mask a complete lack or content or core.

nice post.
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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2013, 03:02:39 PM »
Plus the rappers who came up in the nineties grew up with the evolution of hiphop though the 80's and all that dope music they sampled, grew up in musical environments where folks played the oldies etc. the art was changing fast and artists were really breaking new ground.

Kids who grew up with playstations and everything on plate for them don't got nothing real to spit about, no creativity and no competition from their peers, no interest in communities, politics, never read a book, no movement no nothing.

All they got is the image and desire for $$$


Word.... the 80's and 90's rappers grew up in times when computers were for nerds, video games weren't around as much, you didn't have 500 different television stations.   They mostly ran the streets and got educated to the streets and translated that to their music.
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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2013, 03:04:23 PM »
One theory I've been pondering is how every generation seems to hate the generation(s) that come after it. Like how rock fans in the 80's hated rock in the 90's. Now of course, all sorts of factors come into play like personal taste and whatnot so it doesn't refer to everybody but it does happen. It wouldn't surprise me if maybe hip-hop's going through that stage now. It probably just feels like a big deal because hip hop hasn't been around as long as other genres. In 20 years from now I expect hip-hop to sound much more different and the fans of hip-hop right now (who I'm guessing are generally late-90's/00's babies) will hate it just like how 80's & early 90's babies hate hip-hop as of right now.
Of course I'm referring mainly to the mainstream scene though. You'll always find great music in the underground scene, it's just becoming a matter of how far do you have to dig to find it.

But what about the case of Jazz music.  It wasn't just the old hating the music of the youth.  Sometimes some musical genre's just die out or never return to their golden age.
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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2013, 03:07:44 PM »


there is communication. But they don't communicate through music anymore. Back in the days rappers were writing songs to tell people about something. Nowadays they use twitter, facebook etc. I'm not saying they shouldn't be using them but you can see how emotional they get on their fanpages or however they call it. I bet these are the same emotions they used to put on a paper in the past. They simply exchanged pad and pen for twitter. Now think how many beefs there was on a twitter in last few years. And how many beefs on the tracks...

Yes, exaggeration maybe... but there must be something in it.

that's definitely a big part of it.  Also, all these multiple forms of communication have over-exposed artists and over-saturated the market. I remember being a kid and MTV news would flash with some statement by Snoop or Dre or 2pac and you would be glued to the TV.  Or you would see a quote in the Source every few months and it would be a big deal, because you didn't hear and see your favorite artists that often.  You'd have to wait generally a year or two or three to hear new material from your favorite artists and it had time to build quality and anticipation.   Now you have dozens of tracks leaked every day to the net, and their words are all over twitter, video's all over youtube, so nothing is really exclusive or hard to find anymore.
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"I will make records as big or bigger than Death Row".   -Dre, Source 1996

"I didn't do nothing but make people money and I didn't leave nobody high and dry.  Any album (on death row) people are going to check for.  But it's time for Dre to worry about Dre.  I'm focused on the new Snoop Doggs, not like that but you know what I mean."

Dre -  Source 1996 cover

"Eminem will be bigger than Michael Jackson as long as he doesn't change."

-Dre, Rolling Stones mag 1999 Em cover

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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2013, 09:38:36 PM »
One theory I've been pondering is how every generation seems to hate the generation(s) that come after it. Like how rock fans in the 80's hated rock in the 90's. Now of course, all sorts of factors come into play like personal taste and whatnot so it doesn't refer to everybody but it does happen. It wouldn't surprise me if maybe hip-hop's going through that stage now. It probably just feels like a big deal because hip hop hasn't been around as long as other genres. In 20 years from now I expect hip-hop to sound much more different and the fans of hip-hop right now (who I'm guessing are generally late-90's/00's babies) will hate it just like how 80's & early 90's babies hate hip-hop as of right now.
Of course I'm referring mainly to the mainstream scene though. You'll always find great music in the underground scene, it's just becoming a matter of how far do you have to dig to find it.

+1 for this post even though you like Tyga  :P
 

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Re: Post theories on why hip-hop isn't as dope today as it used to be...
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2013, 11:10:28 PM »
rap wasnt really mainstream like it is today. rap just went big and because of that there is a ton of wack mainstream shit now

Rap and RnB was at it's most commercially successful in the early 2000's, not now.

Time's change, people change, music changes. Either grow with the music, or stick to the classics from your generation. You can moan all you like about Hip Hop being dead, but Kendrick just dropped one of the best albums of the last 5-10 years', and there's plenty of dope music coming out if you're open to the sound. Even RnB is having a revival with Frank Ocean, Miguel and The Dream.

This whole thread is just Brian being old and ignorant as usual.