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HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (Documentary)
« on: January 17, 2013, 06:19:48 AM »
Just watched this and found it to be pretty interesting. Chuck D is still unfuckwitable. 8)



"Sparking dialogue on hip-hop and its declarations on gender, HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes provides thoughtful insight from intelligent, divergent voices including rap artists, industry executives, rap fans and social critics from inside and outside the hip-hop generation. The film includes interviews with famous rappers such as Mos Def, Fat Joe, Chuck D and Jadakiss and hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons; along with commentary from Michael Eric Dyson, Beverly Guy-Sheftall, Kevin Powell and Sarah Jones and interviews with young women at Spelman College, a historically black school and one of the nation’s leading liberal arts institutions.

The film also explores such pressing issues as women and violence in rap music, representations of manhood in hip-hop culture, what today’s rap lyrics reveal to their listeners and homoeroticism in hip-hop. A “loving critique” from a self-proclaimed “hip-hop head,” HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes discloses the complex intersection of culture, commerce and gender through on-the-street interviews with aspiring rappers and fans at hip-hop events throughout the country."
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Re: HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (Documentary)
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2013, 10:05:25 PM »
Looks dope, I'm going to check this out in a few days
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Re: HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (Documentary)
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2013, 06:16:20 PM »
I watched some of it... thought it was wack, because the discussion was mostly about wack hip-hop fans, it wasn't on some real hip-hop documentary tip.  
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"I will make records as big or bigger than Death Row".   -Dre, Source 1996

"I didn't do nothing but make people money and I didn't leave nobody high and dry.  Any album (on death row) people are going to check for.  But it's time for Dre to worry about Dre.  I'm focused on the new Snoop Doggs, not like that but you know what I mean."

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Re: HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (Documentary)
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2013, 11:27:15 PM »
I'd like to see a documentary on Hip-Hop and the 5 Percenters. I will watch this one soon.

I brought in Dr. Ebony Utley to my college last week, the work she has done connecting Hip-Hop and Religion is just amazing. And the crazy thing is she is only 32 years old. But man, she knows her stuff.
 

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Re: HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (Documentary)
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2013, 01:24:45 AM »
I watched some of it... thought it was wack, because the discussion was mostly about wack hip-hop fans, it wasn't on some real hip-hop documentary tip.  

I don't even know what you mean by that. The thing touches exactly on the subjects it says in the text. Did you at least manage to get through the first 5 minutes?  :grumpy:
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Re: HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (Documentary)
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2013, 01:30:51 AM »
I'd like to see a documentary on Hip-Hop and the 5 Percenters. I will watch this one soon.

I brought in Dr. Ebony Utley to my college last week, the work she has done connecting Hip-Hop and Religion is just amazing. And the crazy thing is she is only 32 years old. But man, she knows her stuff.

Don't give up as quick as Brian. In the second half 50 Cent IS presenting his chest! ;)

As for Ebony Utley, I'm reading an interview she did right now.
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Re: HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (Documentary)
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2013, 03:13:41 PM »
I'd like to see a documentary on Hip-Hop and the 5 Percenters. I will watch this one soon.

I brought in Dr. Ebony Utley to my college last week, the work she has done connecting Hip-Hop and Religion is just amazing. And the crazy thing is she is only 32 years old. But man, she knows her stuff.

I'd be interested in that.  You have any links to her work?
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Re: HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (Documentary)
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2013, 03:16:06 PM »
I watched some of it... thought it was wack, because the discussion was mostly about wack hip-hop fans, it wasn't on some real hip-hop documentary tip.  

I don't even know what you mean by that. The thing touches exactly on the subjects it says in the text. Did you at least manage to get through the first 5 minutes?  :grumpy:

Yeah, I got through about 20 to 30 minutes of it.  I wasn't really impressed with the guy who was doing the documentary.  It seemed very pretentious and I'm not into the whole "I had fun at college parties and listening to hip-hop but now that I've finished my degree and I'm trying to get acceptance in the business and academic world I'm going to start wearing a suit and tie and talking bad about rap music".
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"I will make records as big or bigger than Death Row".   -Dre, Source 1996

"I didn't do nothing but make people money and I didn't leave nobody high and dry.  Any album (on death row) people are going to check for.  But it's time for Dre to worry about Dre.  I'm focused on the new Snoop Doggs, not like that but you know what I mean."

Dre -  Source 1996 cover

"Eminem will be bigger than Michael Jackson as long as he doesn't change."

-Dre, Rolling Stones mag 1999 Em cover

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Re: HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (Documentary)
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2013, 03:23:23 PM »
I watched some of it... thought it was wack, because the discussion was mostly about wack hip-hop fans, it wasn't on some real hip-hop documentary tip.  

I don't even know what you mean by that. The thing touches exactly on the subjects it says in the text. Did you at least manage to get through the first 5 minutes?  :grumpy:

Yeah, I got through about 20 to 30 minutes of it.  I wasn't really impressed with the guy who was doing the documentary.  It seemed very pretentious and I'm not into the whole "I had fun at college parties and listening to hip-hop but now that I've finished my degree and I'm trying to get acceptance in the business and academic world I'm going to start wearing a suit and tie and talking bad about rap music".

Yeah, cuz that's exactly what he was doing...
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Re: HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (Documentary)
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2013, 10:37:59 PM »


Yeah, cuz that's exactly what he was doing...

It was.. and like the girl who said she was a recovering rap-aholic or something like that?  How rap had abused her and kept her in a circle.   Bro... like I said, I don't really care to watch a long documentary on how rap has damaged the life of wack rap fans. 
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"I will make records as big or bigger than Death Row".   -Dre, Source 1996

"I didn't do nothing but make people money and I didn't leave nobody high and dry.  Any album (on death row) people are going to check for.  But it's time for Dre to worry about Dre.  I'm focused on the new Snoop Doggs, not like that but you know what I mean."

Dre -  Source 1996 cover

"Eminem will be bigger than Michael Jackson as long as he doesn't change."

-Dre, Rolling Stones mag 1999 Em cover

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Re: HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (Documentary)
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2013, 03:35:27 AM »


Yeah, cuz that's exactly what he was doing...

It was.. and like the girl who said she was a recovering rap-aholic or something like that?  How rap had abused her and kept her in a circle.   Bro... like I said, I don't really care to watch a long documentary on how rap has damaged the life of wack rap fans.  

You mean the girl who said something for about TEN seconds? You wanna tell me you watched 30 minutes of this? Either you're lying or you're stupid since you're so missing the point here. Whatever, it's EXACTLY what it said in the text, a critical analysis of different aspects of the culture. If you expected stanism, that's your fault.

Edit: Fuck, don't you ever question why you are so butthurt about shit like this. Last time it was someone critisizing Cube in a very appropriate fashion - same childish reaction.
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Re: HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (Documentary)
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2013, 08:57:43 PM »
Did anyone notice that Jadakiss was drunk for the whole interview?

He was completely drunk or impaired.
 

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Re: HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (Documentary)
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2013, 08:59:18 PM »
But yeah, great documentary on how Hip-Hop has been subverted by the power structure.
 

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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2013, 02:31:20 AM »
I'd like to see a documentary on Hip-Hop and the 5 Percenters.


RZA's book the The Tao of Wu gives a good illustration of that whole combination.


 

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Re: HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (Documentary)
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2013, 02:23:37 AM »
But yeah, great documentary on how Hip-Hop has been subverted by the power structure.

And the role of consumers and artists when they subdue to that power structure and act accordingly.
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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2013, 03:44:40 PM »
But yeah, great documentary on how Hip-Hop has been subverted by the power structure.

And the role of consumers and artists when they subdue to that power structure and act accordingly.

Yeah.. blame the corporate machine but when artists go independent the quality of music almost always gets worse.  I have many examples of this...

Xzibit - His 3 classic albums all came when he was signed to the major.

Mos Def-  After Rawkus records folded Mos went independent and all his albums since have failed to make an impression

Talib Kweli-  Same as Mos Def

Canibus-  His first two albums with Universal were fucking sick!!!  Then he lost his deal and started manufacturing "stan" beef with Eminem and his career fell so hard he joined the military.

Daz Dillinger-   Everything Daz did over at Death Row was fire.  From his first verse he did on the Chronic to his last solo with Revenge Retaliation and Get Back this dude was a legend... then he went independent and faded out from there.

Kurupt-  Everything he did at Death Row was fire, and although his first solo wasn't great, his second and third solo's were dope... but since going independent this dude is said to have fallen off worse than any other West Coast artist.

Ice Cube-  Used to always put out quality records on majors and now I never even bothered checking out his independent releases.

...I could go on forever 
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"I didn't do nothing but make people money and I didn't leave nobody high and dry.  Any album (on death row) people are going to check for.  But it's time for Dre to worry about Dre.  I'm focused on the new Snoop Doggs, not like that but you know what I mean."

Dre -  Source 1996 cover

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-Dre, Rolling Stones mag 1999 Em cover

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Re: HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (Documentary)
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2013, 07:03:01 PM »
Except Immortal Technique.
 

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Re: HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (Documentary)
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2013, 03:29:56 AM »
But yeah, great documentary on how Hip-Hop has been subverted by the power structure.

And the role of consumers and artists when they subdue to that power structure and act accordingly.

Yeah.. blame the corporate machine but when artists go independent the quality of music almost always gets worse.  I have many examples of this...

Xzibit - His 3 classic albums all came when he was signed to the major.

Mos Def-  After Rawkus records folded Mos went independent and all his albums since have failed to make an impression

Talib Kweli-  Same as Mos Def

Canibus-  His first two albums with Universal were fucking sick!!!  Then he lost his deal and started manufacturing "stan" beef with Eminem and his career fell so hard he joined the military.

Daz Dillinger-   Everything Daz did over at Death Row was fire.  From his first verse he did on the Chronic to his last solo with Revenge Retaliation and Get Back this dude was a legend... then he went independent and faded out from there.

Kurupt-  Everything he did at Death Row was fire, and although his first solo wasn't great, his second and third solo's were dope... but since going independent this dude is said to have fallen off worse than any other West Coast artist.

Ice Cube-  Used to always put out quality records on majors and now I never even bothered checking out his independent releases.

...I could go on forever 

It's not about the quality of production which a big company definitely can provide but about the missing diversity in content which the companies can dictate through the existing structures. Upcoming artists must have created a huge buzz for themselves before they are backed by a big label to put out an album which is different only cuz it'll make them lots of money anyway. How many rappers are there that accomplished that in the last couple of years?
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Re: HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (Documentary)
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2013, 02:17:29 PM »


It's not about the quality of production which a big company definitely can provide but about the missing diversity in content which the companies can dictate through the existing structures. Upcoming artists must have created a huge buzz for themselves before they are backed by a big label to put out an album which is different only cuz it'll make them lots of money anyway. How many rappers are there that accomplished that in the last couple of years?

not a bad point but isn't that more of a problem with radio stations, video stations, club music?
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"I didn't do nothing but make people money and I didn't leave nobody high and dry.  Any album (on death row) people are going to check for.  But it's time for Dre to worry about Dre.  I'm focused on the new Snoop Doggs, not like that but you know what I mean."

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Re: HIP-HOP: Beyond Beats and Rhymes (Documentary)
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2013, 03:18:39 PM »
No. It's a problem that the radio/TV/internet monopolies manipulate the music for their own benefit, as the movie explained.

Media consolidation is the problem.