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Something Scary We Can't Do Anything About
« on: March 09, 2003, 11:57:58 PM »
Here's somethin for the kiddies to sleep tight about.


The U.S. has 12,000 nuclear Warheads, no joke.  

Russia, has 22,500.  TWENTY TWO THOUSAND, AND FIVE HUNDRED.  Normally, I wouldn't care, because it only takes 1 or 2, ya know? But anyways, we all know what's gone down in russia, and who knows how many of these snuck into the wrong hands, got forgot about, were sold by local leaders, etc.  That's scary.  
 

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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2003, 12:29:50 AM »
Word... Those statistics are out of control.
 

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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2003, 02:36:53 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2003, 06:09:01 AM »
i found the nukes in USA more dangerous.. specially in the hand of bush..

remember, it was usa who nuked hiroshima and nagasaki... not russia
 

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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2003, 07:23:29 AM »
America could blow something up 4000 times the size of earth! No joke.
 

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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2003, 07:30:05 AM »
So, you find the nukes Bush has control over, at the top of the world, more threatening then the thousands laying around that anymad man with a little bit of money could buy, and CLIMB to the top of the world with? That's really intelligent.  Anti-Americanism at it's best.  
 

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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2003, 07:53:52 AM »
So, you find the nukes Bush has control over, at the top of the world, more threatening then the thousands laying around that anymad man with a little bit of money could buy, and CLIMB to the top of the world with? That's really intelligent.  Anti-Americanism at it's best.  

check the facts.. america is STILL the only country that have used nukes towardz innocent people
 

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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2003, 12:29:11 PM »
I understand were ibo is coming from, though we need to try and disarm alll countries. you woint achieve shit with nuclear weapons unless u wanna fuck up the world. I'd be more afraid of bush, especially if i lived outside the west, but i guess for americans its obvious an outsider would be more of a threat
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2003, 12:48:20 PM »
Yeah, I definitely trust Ivan Stepanovich, the poor baker's son who has just got enough money together to buy a nuke, and hates the free world, more than George W. Bush, a brave and intelligent man who, at heart, believes in the freedom of speech.

Yeah, fuck Bush.
 

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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2003, 12:59:19 PM »
Yeah, I definitely trust Ivan Stepanovich, the poor baker's son who has just got enough money together to buy a nuke, and hates the free world, more than George W. Bush, a brave and intelligent man who, at heart, believes in the freedom of speech.

Yeah, fuck Bush.

did you recently see sum of all fears or what... lol
 

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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2003, 08:51:11 PM »
Yeah, I definitely trust Ivan Stepanovich, the poor baker's son who has just got enough money together to buy a nuke, and hates the free world, more than George W. Bush, a brave and intelligent man who, at heart, believes in the freedom of speech.

Yeah, fuck Bush.

did you recently see sum of all fears or what... lol
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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2003, 09:24:23 PM »
When did you folks get so clouded that you don't see clearly anymore?  Russia fell apart.  There are nukes all over places that ARENT EVEN RUSSIA ANYMORE.  The Russian government basically ceased to exist at one time; do you honestly think all the nukes are accounted for?  In the cold war, you had things like Nukes being set to go off at certain times, in case the country was ever eradicated; the only way to disarm them would be to provide security codes, telling the system that the country was still o.k., don't shoot.  That's just something as an idiot that popped into my head; imagine what Russia and the U.S. had in the works with the combined intelligence of each countries greatest minds, lol.  There could be bombs all over russia set to detonate in 2010, or there could be bombs in a remote station where the 10 employees were all massacred, and the nukes stolen 10 years ago.  We don't know.  


For you guys to be so paranoid of America that you actually consider them a bigger threat than loose bombs laying around that anybody with bad intentions could grab, you've got to be out of your mind.  It would take all of congress, the house of representatives, and the president being insane to nuke a country unfairly.  It would take 1 nut with a few followers stealing one out of russia to nuke the dome of the rock, or parliament, or the u.s. capitol building.  

I'm an openminded guy, but you guys are so blindly negative towards the u.s. that it's infuriating.  Of course the U.S. shouldn't have 12,000 nukes.  But when you have 25,000 in a country that's dissolved? I feel like I'm talking to kindergardeners.  
 

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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2003, 01:28:38 AM »
I'm no nuclear bomb-ologist, but don't those things have to be very carefully stored and maintained? its not like people can just take one and keep it in their yard for when they feel like blowing up a country, right?

Anyway, I've decided I'm not going to worry myself with things that are out of my control. If someone wants to set one of those things off, it aint shit i can do about it
 

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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2003, 01:18:44 PM »
Word to both Ronnie and Kaidy.
 

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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2003, 01:29:09 PM »
Word to both Ronnie and Kaidy.

word...btw how much does one nuclear war head cost? lol

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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2003, 01:31:05 PM »
did you recently see sum of all fears or what... lol

You're the one with the weird conspiracy theory about how Bush is trying to kill everyone on purpose.
 

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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2003, 02:39:06 PM »
did you recently see sum of all fears or what... lol

You're the one with the weird conspiracy theory about how Bush is trying to kill everyone on purpose.

i know that bush dont hesitate to kill somebody if he he have a possibility to reach his goal... he's just like his damn father.....

i know that what happened in "sum of all fears" cant happen in reality... russia know where their nukes are... btw, in sum of all fears, it was americas fault... it was an american nuke,.,, lol..

you cant keep a nuke in the basement or something.. lol... hiding a nuke is not the easiest thing to do...
 

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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2003, 02:41:11 PM »
thats just crazy, hope those bombs are in safe hands. The cold war was just a crazy period.
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« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2003, 02:53:27 PM »
i know that bush dont hesitate to kill somebody if he he have a possibility to reach his goal... he's just like his damn father.....

i know that what happened in "sum of all fears" cant happen in reality... russia know where their nukes are... btw, in sum of all fears, it was americas fault... it was an american nuke,.,, lol..

you cant keep a nuke in the basement or something.. lol... hiding a nuke is not the easiest thing to do...

Did anyone say anything about hiding a nuke in a basement? There are crime lords, terrorist commanders, etc, all over the former USSR. Some control their own mini-countries. The scientists who stayed in Russia often work for these crimelords or terrorists. It's pretty easy, actually.

And all good leaders through history have been willing to sacrifice the needs of the few for the needs of the many.
 

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« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2003, 03:56:50 PM »
i know that what happened in "sum of all fears" cant happen in reality... russia know where their nukes are... btw, in sum of all fears, it was americas fault... it was an american nuke,.,, lol..

you cant keep a nuke in the basement or something.. lol... hiding a nuke is not the easiest thing to do...

So You're a Nuclear weapons Specialist as well?

"WASHINGTON (AP) - Russia's military has lost track of 100 suitcase-sized nuclear bombs, the nation's former national security chief has told American lawmakers, who expressed alarm to the Clinton administration.

But U.S. and Russian officials discount the claims by retired Gen. Alexander Lebed, the ousted one-time foe of President Boris Yeltsin.

"We don't have any evidence to support what (Lebed) said and responsible Russian officials have specifically denied it," a White House official said Thursday.

"We have no credible information any nuclear weapon, suitcase or not, has even been available on the black market."

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed, however, that the Russian military has such portable nuclear bombs, which security experts describe as the "perfect terrorist weapon" in the wrong hands.

Lebed described the devices as Special Atomic Demolition Munitions that are designed for sabotage behind enemy lines - blowing up bridges or command centers, for example. The 1-kiloton nuclear bombs, which weigh 60-100 pounds and can fit into a suitcase or backpack, can kill 50,000-100,000 people and devastate a portion of a city, according to Lebed.

In May, Lebed told a congressional delegation led by Rep. Curt Weldon, R-Pa., that as Yeltsin's top defense expert last year he discovered the Russian military couldn't account for 48 of 132 of suitcase bombs.

In going public, Lebed upped the total of missing suitcase bombs to 100 out of 250 in an interview with CBS's "60 Minutes."

"I don't know their location," Lebed told CBS in a program scheduled to air Sunday. "I don't know whether they have been destroyed or whether they are stored or whether they've been sold or stolen. I don't know."

Lebed added that when he told Yeltsin, "I did not see any reaction" and the Russian military didn't institute an inventory check.

Former Defense Minister Igor Rodionov told CBS he "never had any information, a single report" that the suitcase bombs were stolen.

Deputy Defense Minister Andrei Kokoshin, who met with the congressional delegation after Lebed, also assured lawmakers no nuclear weapons were missing.

Last week, Yeltsin named Kokoshin head of the powerful Defense Council as he shook up his cabinet to institute military reforms.

Last October, Yeltsin fired Lebed amid charges the former paratrooper was trying to form a private army. Yeltsin had appointed Lebed his security chief after the general withdrew from challenging the president for re-election.

Rep. Weldon, who concedes Lebed may have an ax to grind, said he believes that at the very least the Russian government's control has grown lax over its nuclear stockpile since the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

"The potential for very sophisticated nuclear technology and weapons to get into the hands of Third World nations and other groups is very real, and it's something I don't think the administration follows up on," Weldon said in an interview. "The Russian government doesn't have control."

In April, Defense Secretary William Cohen said the United States relies on Russian assurances - and not independent checks - that Moscow has full control over its nuclear weapons.

"We don't know the exact nature of the command and control that's in place," Cohen told reporters. "We have been assured by the highest officials that they have very strict controls over their systems."

In August, Weldon, who is a Russian expert and sits on the House National Security Committee, wrote letters to CIA Director George Tenet and National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, expressing his concerns about Lebed's allegations about the security of Russia's nuclear weapons.

"I was particularly alarmed by his disclosure that he is unable to account for many nuclear weapons," Weldon wrote, detailing the charges.

Weldon also met with Energy Secretary Federico Pena in July before the Cabinet secretary went to Moscow and the congressman urged Pena to bring the matter up again with Russia military officials.

The DOE didn't respond immediately to requests for comment on what Pena discussed in Moscow."

http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/090597/LA0759.htm

This report was from 1997...

Here is another from 2002:

"MOSCOW — The head of Russia's nuclear regulatory agency says small amounts of weapons- and reactor-grade nuclear materials have disappeared from the country's atomic facilities.

Instances of the loss of nuclear materials have been recorded, but what the quantity is is another question," Yuri Vishnyevsky, head of Gosatomnadzor, said Thursday. "Of those situations that we can talk about in actuality, they involve either grams of weapons-grade or kilograms of the usual uranium used in atomic power plants."

"Most often, these instances are connected with factories preparing fuel: Elektrostal in the Moscow region and Novosibirsk" in Siberia, Vishnyevsky said.

He did not give further details on when the losses were discovered or how the material might have gone missing.

The International Atomic Energy Agency lists two known thefts of uranium from Elektrostal, in 1994 and 1995. In both cases, the uranium was seized by Russian police.

The agency also lists the 1994 seizure in Germany of 400 grams of plutonium brought in from Moscow.

A few grams of Uranium-235, the most common weapons-grade nuclear material, would not be sufficient to make a bomb. But reactor-grade uranium can be enriched to weapons-grade through a complicated process believed to be possessed by some countries trying to develop nuclear weapons, such as Iraq.

Russia's nuclear security has been a high concern in the decade since the Soviet Union's collapse brought financial troubles that reduced funding for state facilities and induced poverty that could motivate nuclear workers to sell atomic materials.

Worries have risen in the wake of increasing terrorism, including last month's attack on a Moscow theater by Chechen gunmen who held hundreds of hostages to press their demand that Russia withdraw troops from Chechnya.

"After Sept. 11 of last year, the situation with regard to security at all Russian nuclear facilities changed for the better, but it still has not reached perfection," Vishnyevsky said.

He estimated that bringing security to its ideal level at Russian nuclear operations would require about 6 billion rubles, or $200 million.

Vishnyevsky made his statements while criticizing a proposed law on technological regulation now being considered by the Duma, the lower house of parliament.

He presented a letter to the Duma from a number of prominent scientists criticizing the proposed law for calling for "the minimal necessary demands for security at the same time that in the whole world and in our country the demands for security in using atomic energy should be the maximum."

It also was reported Friday that a Russian scientific expedition located a Soviet nuclear submarine and 237 containers of radioactive waste in the northern Kara Sea.

The K-27 submarine was dumped in the Kara Sea in 1981, 13 years after one of its reactors released radiation and it was taken out of service, according to the Norway-based environmental group Bellona.

Expedition members also examined what is believed to be the burial site of the reactor section of another nuclear submarine — the K-254, Russian Deputy Emergency Situations Minister Mikhail Faleyev told the Interfax-Military news agency.

Preliminary tests of water, sediment and sea life found that radiation levels are "stable" at both sites, Faleyev said.

Environmental groups say the Soviet Union routinely dumped radioactive waste and nuclear reactors from decommissioned submarines into Arctic waters off the Novaya Zemlya archipelago, a former nuclear testing site."


 

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« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2003, 10:14:22 PM »
man some of you are just fucking...OUT THERE!


how do you find America more lethal to you (Canada ,which we'll never bomb cuz they're too close to us and we need someone to make fun of, UK.....our closest allie and a critical link to americas past, same way of thought. Ireland...too close to the UK, Japan...where else would we get our cheap shit, the middle east .....we're after their oil remember??!!, Sweden....can't think of a good reason we need them but we'd never bomb them, Italy..too much of a link to americas past, only other culture besides our own we obess over)

the world is safe from and American Nuke for the most part.....either we  have too much of an interest there to kill it , or we have an Ally around there. So unless we go to war with the south pole or mars we ain't nuking jack shit .


also nuclear weapons have evolved from giant bombs to more powerful devices that can fit in your breifcase......


the way you people think is crazy, if i asked you who would you trust more with a gun : an average american cop or a canadian convict on crack a few of you would say  the convict cuz the cop was american , and base it  on some off the wall concept that all americans are fat dumb idiots with an ego determinded to kill all foriegners......and becuase your favorite rap group said fuck the police


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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2003, 04:10:25 AM »
man some of you are just fucking...OUT THERE!


how do you find America more lethal to you (Canada ,which we'll never bomb cuz they're too close to us and we need someone to make fun of, UK.....our closest allie and a critical link to americas past, same way of thought. Ireland...too close to the UK, Japan...where else would we get our cheap shit, the middle east .....we're after their oil remember??!!, Sweden....can't think of a good reason we need them but we'd never bomb them, Italy..too much of a link to americas past, only other culture besides our own we obess over)

the world is safe from and American Nuke for the most part.....either we  have too much of an interest there to kill it , or we have an Ally around there. So unless we go to war with the south pole or mars we ain't nuking jack shit .


also nuclear weapons have evolved from giant bombs to more powerful devices that can fit in your breifcase......


the way you people think is crazy, if i asked you who would you trust more with a gun : an average american cop or a canadian convict on crack a few of you would say  the convict cuz the cop was american , and base it  on some off the wall concept that all americans are fat dumb idiots with an ego determinded to kill all foriegners......and becuase your favorite rap group said fuck the police

obvoiusly hiroshima and nagasaki werent safe... were they?...

its simple... i do not trust an american president with a nuke...
 

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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2003, 08:05:51 AM »
Im not afraid of bush bombing ireland, we have too good a relationship. As i said though, I'd fear him if i lived outside of the west. I think people fear less what bush could do to their country, but how he could provoke more terrorists to attack the west. All this war thinking is all short term. remember america put saddam in...whats to say in ten years the new guy wont be trying to bomb the fuck out of us. We need to try and get to the root of the problem, and that is understanding why most terrorists do what they do. Most feel opressed by the west like they're second, even third class citizens of the world. THAT needs to be addressed if we are to stomp out terrorism. I believe there is only a tiny minority of terrorists who hate the west because of religion, I think they are incited by sanctions, unfair trade and wars like this one, which will be twisted around as much as possible to attract new recruits.

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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2003, 08:10:48 AM »
man some of you are just fucking...OUT THERE!


how do you find America more lethal to you (Canada ,which we'll never bomb cuz they're too close to us and we need someone to make fun of, UK.....our closest allie and a critical link to americas past, same way of thought. Ireland...too close to the UK, Japan...where else would we get our cheap shit, the middle east .....we're after their oil remember??!!, Sweden....can't think of a good reason we need them but we'd never bomb them, Italy..too much of a link to americas past, only other culture besides our own we obess over)

the world is safe from and American Nuke for the most part.....either we  have too much of an interest there to kill it , or we have an Ally around there. So unless we go to war with the south pole or mars we ain't nuking jack shit .


also nuclear weapons have evolved from giant bombs to more powerful devices that can fit in your breifcase......


the way you people think is crazy, if i asked you who would you trust more with a gun : an average american cop or a canadian convict on crack a few of you would say  the convict cuz the cop was american , and base it  on some off the wall concept that all americans are fat dumb idiots with an ego determinded to kill all foriegners......and becuase your favorite rap group said fuck the police

obvoiusly hiroshima and nagasaki werent safe... were they?...

its simple... i do not trust an american president with a nuke...


The president is not the only one to authorize a Nuclear attack, Congress & Represenitives also...just say you do not trust the American Governent which has the liberty of freedom which other countries criticize/lack. Dont like it...move to Iraq
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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2003, 08:29:05 AM »
man some of you are just fucking...OUT THERE!


how do you find America more lethal to you (Canada ,which we'll never bomb cuz they're too close to us and we need someone to make fun of, UK.....our closest allie and a critical link to americas past, same way of thought. Ireland...too close to the UK, Japan...where else would we get our cheap shit, the middle east .....we're after their oil remember??!!, Sweden....can't think of a good reason we need them but we'd never bomb them, Italy..too much of a link to americas past, only other culture besides our own we obess over)

the world is safe from and American Nuke for the most part.....either we  have too much of an interest there to kill it , or we have an Ally around there. So unless we go to war with the south pole or mars we ain't nuking jack shit .


also nuclear weapons have evolved from giant bombs to more powerful devices that can fit in your breifcase......


the way you people think is crazy, if i asked you who would you trust more with a gun : an average american cop or a canadian convict on crack a few of you would say  the convict cuz the cop was american , and base it  on some off the wall concept that all americans are fat dumb idiots with an ego determinded to kill all foriegners......and becuase your favorite rap group said fuck the police

obvoiusly hiroshima and nagasaki werent safe... were they?...

its simple... i do not trust an american president with a nuke...


The president is not the only one to authorize a Nuclear attack, Congress & Represenitives also...just say you do not trust the American Governent which has the liberty of freedom which other countries criticize/lack. Dont like it...move to Iraq

lol....


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