It's time....the elite have started turning on Obama

[virtuoso]

Yep, you heard it right, there is NO way that there is not a direct link between Snowden coming out with these revelations and Obama's seeming lack of will to pursue an even bloodier campaign.

Well, let me back track a little, in the second term the president is always turned upon, their criminality is exposed but this has happened with a few years to go before the next presidential campaign....my guess......for whatever reasons Obama and his aides did not want to arm the terrorists in Syria but the Israeli lobby are holding his feet to the fire, they have so much shit on this man.

I would be willing to bet that if needs be that you would even find out the truth about his real place of birth. I know, I know, that's a "birther" thing, but the reality is the news is made it's not reality, we are suspended in a state of virtual reality until the media are given the nod to shatter the picture which has been painted.

Obama deserves to be impeached for all of the criminality BUT, it would do jack shit, there are literally hundreds of traitors who should be impeached and won't be. The Israeli lobby is sending a message alright, if you fuck with us in any way, all of your criminality, your dodgy past will come out.

Despite seeing him as a criminal, let's be honest here Obama has been scaling back the major wars, yes he is a lying dirty criminal bastard, but compare to McCain....he is angel, that demon literally salivates at the thought of murdering more people, not drone strikes I mean full on wars of mass destruction. You think Obama kisses ass to israel? oh boy, just wait.

Now, by the same token perhaps Obama is a willing fall guy in all of this, but one thing is for sure.....it's now on to the final phase and that final phase is to destroy the morale of all of those who believed in Obama.

The velvet gloves are going to be coming off in a big way, I believe, i hope I am wrong

[virtuoso]

Oh and like the evil cowardly scum which he certainly is, Obama bows and now readies for a proposed "no fly zone" within Syria.

Where the fuck are the progressives?

I don't mean here, but i meant where the fuck are the marches by the so called caring democratic supporters?

Where are the petitions?

Where the fuck are the grass roots counter movements to this?

Fuck these global psychopaths

[Infinite Trapped in 1996]

interesting thread... you may have a point that the elites are starting to turn on Obama.  Maybe now that he's in the second term he's not giving into war hawks like McCain and Zionists like Liebermen as much as before.

He's probably smart enough to realize that the only way he can solidify his legacy is if he somehow gets the economy jump started before he leaves office.  The are already scheduled to leave Afghanistan in 2014.  So if they have drawn back on funds to Iraq, now Afghan, and stay out of the Arab Spring drama... they should have more money in their coffers then ever before in the Obama administration. 

So in spite of his socialist policies this could offer a chance for Obama to save the country billions and get the economy moving just in time that he can leave office and claim he got the economy back on track.

[Heinz]

It's all part of "their" little childish game.
Keep paying attention to the circus... it keeps your third eye comfortably numb and blind.

[Heinz]

And by the way "they" are no elite, aknowledging that means you have fallen for their illusion.

[Aladin]

@ Viruoso & Infinite.
It would be wise 2 pay attention 2 Heinz, because he is right on spot.

This circus as he calls it is just dust in the eyes.

[virtuoso]

Fuck these global cancerous parasites then, you are right, when you say not to use the term elite.

I know it's all a circus Heinz, but this circus has real, devastating outcomes for the syrians, for the serbians, for the iraqis, for the afghanis, for the greeks, the portugese, the africans, for the cancer incidence rates, the poisoning of the crops, the usage of depleted uranium, all of it. In fact you could spend days detailing the outright psychopathic abuse that these small select interest groups have wielded.

[Heinz]

Parasite is a good description because they feed off YOU when YOU give them energy.
Who do you think gains from it when you start filling your mind/spirit with obscenities and graphic descriptions of their horrible actions?
Here is a clue: It sure ain't YOU.

The circus we can see is also just a part of a larger act we cannot see. And we are probably blind for a reason.

Since you seem fond of saying who is evil and focus your energy towards "exposing" what is Satanic/Luciferic here is a quote I am fond of:

"The devil suffers, not because he is evil, but because he thirsts
to be good and doesn’t quite know how to".

[virtuoso]

On a popular UK forum I put it like this...

Which only underlines that so many people have no principles, only talking points and serves to illustrate how easily the mindless moronic masses can be manipulated and mobilised at a minutes notice.

The majority are not feeding their mind with so called anger and negativity and yet their passive behaviour emboldens these parasites to feast more no?

[Heinz]

I agree with you that ignorance of the parasites existence does not make them disappear or any less harmful.
A way for them to being able to feed off you is exactly by hiding from you like the shadow creatures they are or to lure you into the darkness (beware of this).
When exposed to the light: Poof! And they lose their "power".
But the key word here is the light.

Using words like: mindless moronic masses, is infantile of you and completely unnecessary.
Everyone is struggling in their own right and neither you or I have been appointed to judge anyone.
Think highly of someone instead of trying to lower them, it actually helps.

[virtuoso]

When someone lacks the basic ability to reason information and instead sees their peers as some kind of trusted parental figure, then mindless moronic masses is an appropriate description. You may disagree with it, but that is why base level propaganda works so well, that is why the information and even body language appears so transparent, it's because they don't need to up their game in order to fool the majority.

[Heinz]

I disagree with taking the position of a besswerwisser and using negatively charged words like mindless moronic masses.
When you do that you thread dangerous ground where seeds of arrogance rapidly sprout from the soil.

To turn things around: Who do you think has the same conception about the masses?
The ones you criticize here for being evil and Luciferic.

[virtuoso]

Not seeds of arrogance, seeds of frustration, it brings me no kind of comfort to realise that there are so many people who have just been made into little like zombies.

If a mass murderer preaches to me that murder is wrong, it doesn't invalidate that statement. Similarly with the parasite class conveying a message of useless eaters, it doesn't mean they are wrong to say that as it's patently true. However where that is a complete disparity lies in how the cancer views humanity as a whole with disdain whereas I care enough to be pissed by it. When I convey in a calm, concise simple manner to people the realities and they just don't want to hear it, can't compute it. can't fathom it, have never even considered it, dismiss, brush it off, no, it's not arrogance.

I guess what you could say is it's despair.

[Aladin]

You are both intelligent men.
And both of you make solid points.

I understand Heinz when he says, that we must not fight negativity with negativity. Two wrongs don't make it right.

And I also understand Virtuoso when he says that ignoring it, as I see it is like an ostrich sticking his head in the sand.

Both have positive and negative.
If you concentrate 2 much on it.. it will consume you and make you bitter.
If you ignore it... you will distance yourself 2 much 2 even care.

So my opinion...choose the balanced middle path.
In the end God knows best.

[Heinz]

Not seeds of arrogance, seeds of frustration, it brings me no kind of comfort to realise that there are so many people who have just been made into little like zombies.

If a mass murderer preaches to me that murder is wrong, it doesn't invalidate that statement. Similarly with the parasite class conveying a message of useless eaters, it doesn't mean they are wrong to say that as it's patently true. However where that is a complete disparity lies in how the cancer views humanity as a whole with disdain whereas I care enough to be pissed by it. When I convey in a calm, concise simple manner to people the realities and they just don't want to hear it, can't compute it. can't fathom it, have never even considered it, dismiss, brush it off, no, it's not arrogance.

I guess what you could say is it's despair.

Why should they listen to someone who calls and views them as mindless morons?

Here is another quote, this time by a fool I once knew:

"The things you get annoyed by are the things you get controlled by".

.

[Heinz]

You are both intelligent men.
And both of you make solid points.

I understand Heinz when he says, that we must not fight negativity with negativity. Two wrongs don't make it right.

And I also understand Virtuoso when he says that ignoring it, as I see it is like an ostrich sticking his head in the sand.

Both have positive and negative.
If you concentrate 2 much on it.. it will consume you and make you bitter.
If you ignore it... you will distance yourself 2 much 2 even care.

So my opinion...choose the balanced middle path.
In the end God knows best.

I am far from intelligent my friend. But I have an opinion.
It is not that I ignore the existence of evil around me it is just that I don't pay it much mind (literally).
Like Virtuoso points out the path it has led him to is one of despair and that is the danger of letting the circus consume your mind.

I agree with you cousin Aladin and would like to add that: not only in the end but:
In ALL things G_D knows best.

Many blessings to you both.

Heinz

[virtuoso]

The reality is that hardened stance has come about more recently, it is has come about through the countless interactions with people who just don't even get the most rudimentary points. We have all been subject to bullshit which has been served up on the menu ever since we were children but some people have allowed it to seduce their inner core and it has damaged them, I genuinely believe that. It has damaged them from the point of view of not being able to reason and from the perspective of viewing one group of people as lesser than another and thus less deserving of the rights that they enjoy not really understanding why, just simply parroting the points which they have heard.

With that said, if there was any blackmail hanging over Obama it has surely now disappeared after and his psychopathic devil cohorts have laid the ground work for a much bigger escalation in Syria. Therefore the original point of this thread has been null and void through the complete capitulation which he has again exhibited.

[Heinz]

The reality is that hardened stance has come about more recently, it is has come about through the countless interactions with people who just don't even get the most rudimentary points. We have all been subject to bullshit which has been served up on the menu ever since we were children but some people have allowed it to seduce their inner core and it has damaged them, I genuinely believe that. It has damaged them from the point of view of not being able to reason and from the perspective of viewing one group of people as lesser than another and thus less deserving of the rights that they enjoy not really understanding why, just simply parroting the points which they have heard.

With that said, if there was any blackmail hanging over Obama it has surely now disappeared after and his psychopathic devil cohorts have laid the ground work for a much bigger escalation in Syria. Therefore the original point of this thread has been null and void through the complete capitulation which he has again exhibited.

Why the need to convince people of YOUR "truths" and how YOU see things? Do you feel it is your responsibility? If so WHY?

[virtuoso]

Perhaps I have misphrased that, i am all for someone having a different opinion than me,  a difference of opinion is the way in which we learn from each other. What I was trying to convey was the fact that when scrutinised I have noted that many individuals are like deers caught in the cars headlights and don't have any kind of response to muster. Why have I been trying to at least drop my own feelings? the simple to that is that ever since I was 16 I started to take note of the pace of change and the radically changing landscape. We are heading into really dark days and granted, I can't change it, but I won't, perhaps can't just simply keep my mouth shut without offering my point of view. It is my token resistance I guess you could say? I feel like it's passive acceptance if I just nod, agree and go along with this.

Having said that, I go and demonstrate too, not because a small minority can do jack shit, but just simply because it's a way of getting it off my chest. When I asked where are the progressives etc.....that is to say where is the passion that they displayed when conveying the anti war message?. Since most of them have now vaporised, that again, is a classic and unfortunate example of how people only carried that because they were being prompted to do so.

[Heinz]

Are you familiar with the concept of cognitive dissonance Virtuoso?
If not it might explain a few things for you.

[Fraxxx]

You are both intelligent men.
And both of you make solid points.

I understand Heinz when he says, that we must not fight negativity with negativity. Two wrongs don't make it right.

And I also understand Virtuoso when he says that ignoring it, as I see it is like an ostrich sticking his head in the sand.

Both have positive and negative.
If you concentrate 2 much on it.. it will consume you and make you bitter.
If you ignore it... you will distance yourself 2 much 2 even care.

So my opinion...choose the balanced middle path.
In the end God knows best.

True!

Personally, I don't think there's a need for the god part but whenever someone comes to that aforementioned conclusion I couldn't care less what that man's stance on spirituality is.

Of course, trying to stay informed is important. But if you dig yourself into that pile of dirt too deep it will leave stains.

Your physical and mental health is what matters most so you gotta watch what you put into your body and mind. Concentrating on all the bad things you can't even change takes your time and energy and leaves you frustrated and bitter, just like Heinz said before.

Concentrating on what you can change benefits you and your environment. A positive person is a positive influence.
Did you ever get someone to change their mindstate by shitting on them and their personal choices? If you can accept that (many) people ain't moronic but "only" lazy and ignorant regarding certain issues you can approach them in a much more constructive way.

Even if the world might go to shit you don't have to take part in that. Nobody is a saint, but you don't have to feed your hard-earned money or your precious time to the machine.
I'm all for feeling good about what you do. Only, if you are bitter that will turn you into an arrogant person. If you stay aware of your own flaws you can draw positive energy from your actions without the need to compare to others for reassurence that you are better than them.

Lead by example, I guess. If someone asks, answer without trying to belittle them.

Everything is in motion and getting to a point where one achieves a more calm, balanced mindstate takes time, obviously. But you'll never get there if you're heading down the wrong road. Which is an awfully cheesy statement but true nonetheless.

[Heinz]

You are both intelligent men.
And both of you make solid points.

I understand Heinz when he says, that we must not fight negativity with negativity. Two wrongs don't make it right.

And I also understand Virtuoso when he says that ignoring it, as I see it is like an ostrich sticking his head in the sand.

Both have positive and negative.
If you concentrate 2 much on it.. it will consume you and make you bitter.
If you ignore it... you will distance yourself 2 much 2 even care.

So my opinion...choose the balanced middle path.
In the end God knows best.

True!

Personally, I don't think there's a need for the god part but whenever someone comes to that aforementioned conclusion I couldn't care less what that man's stance on spirituality is.

Of course, trying to stay informed is important. But if you dig yourself into that pile of dirt too deep it will leave stains.

Your physical and mental health is what matters most so you gotta watch what you put into your body and mind. Concentrating on all the bad things you can't even change takes your time and energy and leaves you frustrated and bitter, just like Heinz said before.

Concentrating on what you can change benefits you and your environment. A positive person is a positive influence.
Did you ever get someone to change their mindstate by shitting on them and their personal choices? If you can accept that (many) people ain't moronic but "only" lazy and ignorant regarding certain issues you can approach them in a much more constructive way.

Even if the world might go to shit you don't have to take part in that. Nobody is a saint, but you don't have to feed your hard-earned money or your precious time to the machine.
I'm all for feeling good about what you do. Only, if you are bitter that will turn you into an arrogant person. If you stay aware of your own flaws you can draw positive energy from your actions without the need to compare to others for reassurence that you are better than them.

Lead by example, I guess. If someone asks, answer without trying to belittle them.

Everything is in motion and getting to a point where one achieves a more calm, balanced mindstate takes time, obviously. But you'll never get there if you're heading down the wrong road. Which is an awfully cheesy statement but true nonetheless.

You make good points Fraxxx.
Lead by example is a good advice. If you have personal integrity I believe people will naturally listen and find inspiration in your words.

I would like to add that in addition to, and perhaps preceeding the importance of physical and mental health comes spiritual health.

[virtuoso]

The only way of tackling cognitive dissonance is to challenge it, so yeah, i know all about cognitive dissonance. I never convey to a person that I think they are stupid, the moronic description is one of observation collected after said numerous experiences. You would think that given the state of the world, given the access we have to information, given the transparent body language, tone of voice, justifications that a lot of this hold over people's minds whilst not being overturned would have certainly been diluted and yet, not a bit of it. I agree though, it is important not to let the actions of these giant parasites poison my soul or my mind but by the same time it is utterly disheartening to see how easily so many people can be switched off and switched on at will depending on what reaction the parasites wish to produce.

[Fraxxx]

The only way of tackling cognitive dissonance is to challenge it, so yeah, i know all about cognitive dissonance. I never convey to a person that I think they are stupid, the moronic description is one of observation collected after said numerous experiences. You would think that given the state of the world, given the access we have to information, given the transparent body language, tone of voice, justifications that a lot of this hold over people's minds whilst not being overturned would have certainly been diluted and yet, not a bit of it. I agree though, it is important not to let the actions of these giant parasites poison my soul or my mind but by the same time it is utterly disheartening to see how easily so many people can be switched off and switched on at will depending on what reaction the parasites wish to produce.

I can see how experiencing the individual ignorance of some and the controllability of the masses can be disheartening.
But don't you know or get to know a lot of open-minded people at the same time?
Isn't cutting off all the direct, truely negative influences, as much as possible, (like the truely moronic people) and not bothering too much with all the stuff you can't control, but focusing on what can be changed for the better (like yourself and your personal surroundings) much more satisfiying? There are a lot of good people and a lot of encouraging things happening, too.
In the end, you have to decide what is more important to focus on. And I think that it is much more fullfilling, personally and effective to concentrate on what you really can affect in a productive and positive way, than to point out over and over all the disgusting shit that is happening anyway.

I really appreciate that you address all those issues that you speak on, I just think that you shouldn't allow that shit to affect you on a personal level.

[Heinz]

A natural reaction to the horror circus when you enter it is disgust, despair and anger.
Not to get stuck inside the tent is the key.
A way of doing this is like Fraxx points out to shift your focus and go outside where the sun is shining.
Or do you want to be a hero and fight the beast? How?
Is that even your purpose...? What is your purpose? Is there a purpose at all?
Wise men have said: Know thyself.
Start with that and the rest will surely make sense.

A saint called John Climacus who I enjoyed reading many years ago was asked a question:
- What is the greatest of the virtues?
His reply was:
- Humility.

I have found his answer to be true.