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DJ Quik
44 (47.8%)
Dat Nigga Daz
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Battlecat
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Cold 187 aka Big Hutch
7 (7.6%)
Soopafly
2 (2.2%)
DJ Pooh
7 (7.6%)
Johnny J
5 (5.4%)

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Author Topic: Second best producer in west coast history? (behind Dre of course)  (Read 4935 times)

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Re: Second best producer in west coast history? (behind Dre of course)
« Reply #100 on: August 16, 2013, 11:38:17 AM »
regulate is perfect the way it is...it's a classic album, and any1 who rates it a 7 has no credibility when it comes to west coast rap

LOOOOL call it a 9.5/10 if you want Nik 8)

Warrens 'cat sat on the mat' rappin kills it for me.

The album as a whole is 7/10 = very good dope but no more. Which also ties it with Reasonable Doubt. ;)
 

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Re: Second best producer in west coast history? (behind Dre of course)
« Reply #101 on: August 16, 2013, 12:02:50 PM »
u give "good kid maad city" a 7.5 and "regulate" a 7




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Re: Second best producer in west coast history? (behind Dre of course)
« Reply #102 on: August 16, 2013, 12:47:50 PM »
u give "good kid maad city" a 7.5 and "regulate" a 7




stop

Yeah Regulate the album, not the song

Start
 

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Re: Second best producer in west coast history? (behind Dre of course)
« Reply #103 on: August 16, 2013, 12:49:05 PM »
regulate is perfect the way it is...it's a classic album, and any1 who rates it a 7 has no credibility when it comes to west coast rap

In order to go full 10, I always ask myself could it be better, in which I'd say Regulate could have used a feature from Snoop or at least DPG. Maybe it's because at the time, Warren and Snoop were seen as best friends that everyone thought Snoop would be on the album. But aside from that, it's damn near flawless on the production side, I just have a hard time calling it perfect. But it's a classic, and part of what makes a classic album classic are little flaws. Like Warren spelling next... n...x...e...t... LMAO. It's like Baby Be Mine on the Thriller album. If you listen closely, you can hear when they changed the pitch of the song mid song... LOL... but that's what makes it classic. Little flaws like that add something to it. Still I have a hard time giving Regulate anything over a 9, but I actually think 8.5 is too low.

Besides, it's stood the test of time for almost 20 years. If that don't make it a classic, then I don't know.
 

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Re: Second best producer in west coast history? (behind Dre of course)
« Reply #104 on: August 16, 2013, 01:02:43 PM »
FINISH HIM!

u give "good kid maad city" a 7.5 and "regulate" a 7




stop

Yeah Regulate the album, not the song

Start


*FINISHED*
 

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Re: Second best producer in west coast history? (behind Dre of course)
« Reply #105 on: August 17, 2013, 03:42:01 AM »
Bosko is dope as hell too imo, I don't think anyone has mentioned him yet. To me he's like a bay area Battlecat, he's got that type of funk in his beats. I especially like what he did for E-40 during the "Element Of Surprise", "Charlie Hustle" and "Loyalty & Betrayal" days. Prodeje from South Central Cartel is another one, dude gets slept on hard for his productions; "N Gatz We Truss", "All Day Everyday", "Kickin' Game" are all classic albums imo. Madness 4 Real is another dude that was dope back in the day, the stuff he did for WC (check Dub's "Curb Servin'" album) and Ruthless was sick (Eazy-E's "Luv 4 Dem Gangsta'z" is one of my favorite Madness 4 Real tracks). For me the list goes like this, there's so many I can keep going though; they're all tight it's hard to put them in order specially the top 5, it depends on my mood. Quik is definitely #1 tho'.

1. DJ Quik
2. Battlecat
3. DJ Pooh / Fredwreck (like 'em both equally)
4. Daz & Soopafly (they've done so much together that I can't put one before the other)
5. Dr. Dre
6. Cold 187 / Warren G (like 'em both equally)
7. DJ Muggs
8. Shock G
9. Prodeje
10. Bosko / Madness 4 Real (like 'em both equally, I would have put them higher but I just wish they would have done more)

I almost forgot about Muggs and Shock G, I had to edit my top ten and put them on.

bosko's dope, and dude can sing too (cf. Tremendous Damage on Vicious Lies and Dangerous Rumors).

I forgot Prode'je but I thought about him later on, dude has a crazy catalogue but he owes a lot to his co-producers though (Robert Bacon & Tommy Mundy).

Madness 4 Real are from Denmark though
 

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Re: Second best producer in west coast history? (behind Dre of course)
« Reply #106 on: August 17, 2013, 09:16:59 PM »
I forgot Prode'je but I thought about him later on, dude has a crazy catalogue but he owes a lot to his co-producers though (Robert Bacon & Tommy Mundy).
That's true of just about every great producer.
 

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« Reply #107 on: August 18, 2013, 06:40:56 AM »
dre
madlib
dj quick
alchemist
 

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« Reply #108 on: August 19, 2013, 12:18:34 AM »
King Tee
Kid Frost
Westcoast Stone (2 underrated imo)
 

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Re: Second best producer in west coast history? (behind Dre of course)
« Reply #109 on: August 19, 2013, 01:07:28 PM »
regulate is perfect the way it is...it's a classic album, and any1 who rates it a 7 has no credibility when it comes to west coast rap

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Re: Second best producer in west coast history? (behind Dre of course)
« Reply #110 on: August 19, 2013, 01:11:18 PM »
7 out of ten would be a VERY generous rating if were ranking it amongst all hip hop if were only talking westcoast id say seven is about appropriate.

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« Reply #111 on: August 19, 2013, 01:14:18 PM »
Bosko is dope as hell too imo, I don't think anyone has mentioned him yet. To me he's like a bay area Battlecat, he's got that type of funk in his beats. I especially like what he did for E-40 during the "Element Of Surprise", "Charlie Hustle" and "Loyalty & Betrayal" days. Prodeje from South Central Cartel is another one, dude gets slept on hard for his productions; "N Gatz We Truss", "All Day Everyday", "Kickin' Game" are all classic albums imo. Madness 4 Real is another dude that was dope back in the day, the stuff he did for WC (check Dub's "Curb Servin'" album) and Ruthless was sick (Eazy-E's "Luv 4 Dem Gangsta'z" is one of my favorite Madness 4 Real tracks). For me the list goes like this, there's so many I can keep going though; they're all tight it's hard to put them in order specially the top 5, it depends on my mood. Quik is definitely #1 tho'.

1. DJ Quik
2. Battlecat
3. DJ Pooh / Fredwreck (like 'em both equally)
4. Daz & Soopafly (they've done so much together that I can't put one before the other)
5. Dr. Dre
6. Cold 187 / Warren G (like 'em both equally)
7. DJ Muggs
8. Shock G
9. Prodeje
10. Bosko / Madness 4 Real (like 'em both equally, I would have put them higher but I just wish they would have done more)

I almost forgot about Muggs and Shock G, I had to edit my top ten and put them on.

bosko's dope, and dude can sing too (cf. Tremendous Damage on Vicious Lies and Dangerous Rumors).

I forgot Prode'je but I thought about him later on, dude has a crazy catalogue but he owes a lot to his co-producers though (Robert Bacon & Tommy Mundy).

Madness 4 Real are from Denmark though


didnt know them dudes were from denmark...didnt know rob bacon was the one playing on alot of those prodeje productions...i wasnt a huge fan of theirs but i heard all their shit from my homeboys. that song they had on the show stdk went hard. and so did that cd that havikk and prodege did with LV all over almost every song.

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Re: Second best producer in west coast history? (behind Dre of course)
« Reply #112 on: August 19, 2013, 01:14:19 PM »
7 out of ten would be a VERY generous rating if were ranking it amongst all hip hop if were only talking westcoast id say seven is about appropriate.

Thank you.


Typical West Coast headz™ ain't taking lyricism and song writing into account. Only the production sound and delivery.
 

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« Reply #113 on: August 19, 2013, 01:19:36 PM »
i dont want to take away from the impact it had on the culture at the time because that was a huge album but that shit did NOT age well.







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« Reply #114 on: August 19, 2013, 01:23:01 PM »
i dont want to take away from the impact it had on the culture at the time because that was a huge album but that shit did NOT age well.

The lead single is a part of modern pop culture.

If Warren had 11 more Regulates on the album we'd be talking Doggystyle status.
 

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« Reply #115 on: August 19, 2013, 01:28:53 PM »
 id put pharcydes first album before regulate

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Re: Second best producer in west coast history? (behind Dre of course)
« Reply #116 on: August 19, 2013, 01:38:07 PM »
id put pharcydes first album before regulate

Overall, yes, I agree. But I would put the production of Regulate over Pharcyde.
 

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« Reply #117 on: August 19, 2013, 01:41:44 PM »
id put pharcydes first album before regulate

I rate them the same actually.


I loved that track they did on Heavy Rhyme Experience since it came out ahead of the album, but they ain't got enough in em to fill a CD. Most of its just goofball stuff, just kidz in a studio. Production is gorgeous tho.

The albums both follow the format of all the main work put into the singles (a mainstream thing). Not knocking Warren for that btw Nik
 

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Re: Second best producer in west coast history? (behind Dre of course)
« Reply #118 on: August 19, 2013, 01:46:21 PM »
7 out of ten would be a VERY generous rating if were ranking it amongst all hip hop if were only talking westcoast id say seven is about appropriate.

Thank you.


Typical West Coast headz™ ain't taking lyricism and song writing into account. Only the production sound and delivery.

Fuck that... beatheoven and Mozart didn't have any lyrics in their music.. and they are considered the all-time greats.  I can't imagine someone sitting back bumping Warren G's shit and being like, "ohhh that last rhyme wasn't complex enough, I decided I don't like this"
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Re: Second best producer in west coast history? (behind Dre of course)
« Reply #119 on: August 19, 2013, 01:55:42 PM »
7 out of ten would be a VERY generous rating if were ranking it amongst all hip hop if were only talking westcoast id say seven is about appropriate.

Thank you.


Typical West Coast headz™ ain't taking lyricism and song writing into account. Only the production sound and delivery.

Fuck that... beatheoven and Mozart didn't have any lyrics in their music.. and they are considered the all-time greats.  I can't imagine someone sitting back bumping Warren G's shit and being like, "ohhh that last rhyme wasn't complex enough, I decided I don't like this"

Alternately - how can you fully appreciate the art of rap if you don't value better lyricism?
 

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Re: Second best producer in west coast history? (behind Dre of course)
« Reply #120 on: August 19, 2013, 02:00:19 PM »
By the art of flow. Snoop, even in his prime, wasn't the best lyricist. But that muthaphukka was the coldest sounding dude to ever spit.
 

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Re: Second best producer in west coast history? (behind Dre of course)
« Reply #121 on: August 19, 2013, 02:17:05 PM »
By the art of flow. Snoop, even in his prime, wasn't the best lyricist. But that muthaphukka was the coldest sounding dude to ever spit.

Sure. But even Snoop on Doggystyle hits a ceiling and after a time can only keep repeating himself.

It's Dre's finessing Snoops delivery, his production and the supporting cast in tandem with Snoop the MC that make it what it is (and why Snoop never got close again since).

The holy grail to some, but Chronic is better IMO and there are better still albums out there

For example


Which is why I think it's funny when someone says Regulate is a 9.5
 

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Re: Second best producer in west coast history? (behind Dre of course)
« Reply #122 on: August 19, 2013, 03:03:43 PM »
See, with Warren G and Regulate, you are confusing production with album quality. Of course Chronic is better than Doggystyle, Chronic might be the greatest rap album ever. Of course PE is better than Regulate, ITANOMTHUB is a fucking bad ass album! What I'm saying is just straight production. If you look at albums for nothing more than beats, Regulate... is one of the best albums ever. Regulate... was a fuckin' amazing collections of beats. As I said, overall I'd say 8.5-9.0. It's overall impact to Hip-Hop is still huge 20 years later, the single tracks were all good and the lead single is a classic track. These are things that make a great album. I'm not talking about the raps on the album, because the raps were sub-par. But as just a work of production with a producer making beats and covering up the short comings of those rapping on the album (including himself), it's a damn good album.

What's funny if you are listing classic albums to prove Regulate is not a classic. Yet this ONLY hammers home the fact that Regulate is a classic in it's own right. It's like a rapper, once you put Kendrick's name next to Jay-Z, Kendrick wins. Even though many think Kendrick is better than Jay, Jay is considered better. So just putting Kendrick in that conversation means Kendrick wins.

Same with albums, once you list actual classic albums to compare to Regulate.. you win. In order to downplay Regulate... you'd have to say something crazy, like Paper Trail or Carter III is better producted than Regulate... I already said Quik is a better producer than Warren, so you'd have to go on that list and get someone NOT Quik to say produced a whole better album than Regulate...
 

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« Reply #123 on: August 19, 2013, 05:29:56 PM »
i dont want to take away from the impact it had on the culture at the time because that was a huge album but that shit did NOT age well.

definitely didn't age well.
 

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Re: Second best producer in west coast history? (behind Dre of course)
« Reply #124 on: August 19, 2013, 05:42:57 PM »
Daz: LEGENDARY



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/sm58sXIYuZc?hl=en_US&amp;amp;version=3" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/sm58sXIYuZc?hl=en_US&amp;amp;version=3</a>


DJ Quik: DOPE



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Case Closed.
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"I didn't do nothing but make people money and I didn't leave nobody high and dry.  Any album (on death row) people are going to check for.  But it's time for Dre to worry about Dre.  I'm focused on the new Snoop Doggs, not like that but you know what I mean."

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