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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2013, 01:38:31 AM »

What you are is a delusional and conspiratoric idiot that gets your belief from secondhand sources (illusions).
Most of my mothers family (sephardic jews) and most of my wifes family (roma gypsies) were rounded up and slaughtered during WW2.
My grandparents managed to escape (only survivors of an extensive family) and that is the reason why I am alive today.
My breath is proof of the holocaust.

May G_d have mercy upon you.


May G_d reward them the seventh heaven.
It is terrible that some people even deny their suffering.

But his opinion, although we may not agree with him, is still his opinion. And he has the right 2 express it.
 

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2013, 01:52:41 AM »
Thank you Aladin.

He is entitled to his opinion, much like a blind person also is entitled to review movies.
Don't expect me to agree with stupidity though. Or to refrain from calling a spade a spade.




 

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2013, 01:59:47 AM »
Thank you Aladin.

He is entitled to his opinion, much like a blind person also is entitled to review movies.
Don't expect me to agree with stupidity though. Or to refrain from calling a spade a spade.


I would be dissapointed if you did :)
 

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2013, 05:46:38 AM »

I agree with your comments on the holocaust. But, I'm going to take it that step further and state how I don't believe the holocaust ever happened. There's only 2 pieces of evidence to suggest human beings suffered - "testimony" and "rescue pictures". No valid evidence, or undeniable proof has ever been submitted to the confirmation of the holocaust. It was a very well orchestrated lie that has allowed what we have today. Now to deny the holocaust is like instantly branding yourself a racist. To even comment on the real reason Germany was at war with the West brands you a racist Hitler supremacist. I am neither of those things and love all races and cultures equally

What you are is a delusional and conspiratoric idiot that gets your belief from secondhand sources (illusions).
Most of my mothers family (sephardic jews) and most of my wifes family (roma gypsies) were rounded up and slaughtered during WW2.
My grandparents managed to escape (only survivors of an extensive family) and that is the reason why I am alive today.
My breath is proof of the holocaust.

May G_d have mercy upon you.


Interesting you should mention blindness. If you were to spend the time to look into this (rather than clearly being fed 2nd hand sources yourself) you would see that it was physically impossible to systematically murder so many people and have them vanish without a trace, if looking at blueprint designs and studying the camps themselves.

The common theme here is simple, millions of jews were murdered at the hands of the nazi's. It's a theme both shared by mainstream history, politics, education and of course hollywood. An "enlightened" individual such as yourself however should be clever enough to see through this hidden agenda but it is clear you aren't. It's fine and I understand. With so much public backlash at denying such a huge atrocity, it's no easy decision and not one you could take back at a later date.

So, people died in the camps? Yes they did. Did people suffer in the camps? Yes they did. People were malnourished, starving, ill, some with disease that is all correct. Where is the evidence of mass gassings? You won't find any! What the mainstream and history books fail to mention is that it was the allied bombing to the road and rail networks that prevented much needed food and medical supplies to reach these camps that were in remote locations in vital need of them. They fail to mention that it the bombing that caused huge loss of life.
They also fail to mention the jazz bands in Auschwitz every Saturday afternoon, the weddings, the babysitting facilities, the money that was issued weekly, the postcards available from the shops that people were able to send out. I know by now, you're going to be looking and scratching your head in confusion or maybe even disbelief, but that is usually the result from people that accept the mainstream version of events and can't envision anything else.

You see for you (if what you say is true, which I highly doubt) are not the only one to have relations that temporarily lived in camps ;)   So before you try that one, tread carefully. You may think you know about the holocaust and WW2 but your response shows you know nothing
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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2013, 08:42:58 AM »

I agree with your comments on the holocaust. But, I'm going to take it that step further and state how I don't believe the holocaust ever happened. There's only 2 pieces of evidence to suggest human beings suffered - "testimony" and "rescue pictures". No valid evidence, or undeniable proof has ever been submitted to the confirmation of the holocaust. It was a very well orchestrated lie that has allowed what we have today. Now to deny the holocaust is like instantly branding yourself a racist. To even comment on the real reason Germany was at war with the West brands you a racist Hitler supremacist. I am neither of those things and love all races and cultures equally

What you are is a delusional and conspiratoric idiot that gets your belief from secondhand sources (illusions).
Most of my mothers family (sephardic jews) and most of my wifes family (roma gypsies) were rounded up and slaughtered during WW2.
My grandparents managed to escape (only survivors of an extensive family) and that is the reason why I am alive today.
My breath is proof of the holocaust.

May G_d have mercy upon you.


Interesting you should mention blindness. If you were to spend the time to look into this (rather than clearly being fed 2nd hand sources yourself) you would see that it was physically impossible to systematically murder so many people and have them vanish without a trace, if looking at blueprint designs and studying the camps themselves.

The common theme here is simple, millions of jews were murdered at the hands of the nazi's. It's a theme both shared by mainstream history, politics, education and of course hollywood. An "enlightened" individual such as yourself however should be clever enough to see through this hidden agenda but it is clear you aren't. It's fine and I understand. With so much public backlash at denying such a huge atrocity, it's no easy decision and not one you could take back at a later date.

So, people died in the camps? Yes they did. Did people suffer in the camps? Yes they did. People were malnourished, starving, ill, some with disease that is all correct. Where is the evidence of mass gassings? You won't find any! What the mainstream and history books fail to mention is that it was the allied bombing to the road and rail networks that prevented much needed food and medical supplies to reach these camps that were in remote locations in vital need of them. They fail to mention that it the bombing that caused huge loss of life.
They also fail to mention the jazz bands in Auschwitz every Saturday afternoon, the weddings, the babysitting facilities, the money that was issued weekly, the postcards available from the shops that people were able to send out. I know by now, you're going to be looking and scratching your head in confusion or maybe even disbelief, but that is usually the result from people that accept the mainstream version of events and can't envision anything else.

You see for you (if what you say is true, which I highly doubt) are not the only one to have relations that temporarily lived in camps ;)   So before you try that one, tread carefully. You may think you know about the holocaust and WW2 but your response shows you know nothing

You beleive in something wrong, my friend. You say we can't prove the holocaust happened. Following your logic, we can't prove it didn't happen. Following your logic, we should simply beleive that since we can't prove that this event happened, we shouldn't beleive in the story at all.

When you start making an explanation based on suppositions, you are blind yourself. In a different way, but you are blind. What I hate about conspirationism is that you beleive nothing is real in this world and then create the most improbable story as being ''true'' just because you can't prove it exists. You become what you think everyone else is: a follower of illusions. You think you are enlightened but you are manipulated by your own thoughts in the worst possible way. You are not manipulated by events, but by your own mind.
 

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2013, 02:54:20 PM »
You are correct in what you are saying. I can neither prove nor deny my point. I'm not saying to deny the holocaust because it can't be proven, but to have an understanding of everything before making a valid decision or refuting someone elses as ridiculous because it differs from a mainstream version of events.

What I say is that based on design and what was at the camps, that it was physically impossible to systematically murder millions of people as reported, unless they had some kind of magical powers. This isn't me trying to be funny because I'm open minded enough to believe that anything is possible including magic, but people need to really look into this, and ask why the West was at war with Germany in the first place. A lot of people can't even begin to imagine SS soilders painting Snow White on a wall within a room that was to be used to showcase a childs play, or football games being played (that's soccer for you Americans)

Germany, or any country for that matter who aims to wipe out it's entire labour force during peak war time is just ridiculous. Wave goodbye to full rate production, a key element to winning wars (back in those days)

A lot of lies have been told on this and to "blindly" accept what has been told to us through a combination of testimony, news and hollywood would be a silly thing to do considering the level of confidence we have in these methods of accurateness for truth because if that were the case 9/11 was carried out by Bin Laden, and we went to war in Iraq and Afghan to give them freedom.

I am not enlightened nor claim to be. I am simply an individual that looks at information cautiously and like to do as much as I can to ensure it is accurate before accepting it as a possible truth.

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2013, 12:42:18 AM »
You are correct in what you are saying. I can neither prove nor deny my point. I'm not saying to deny the holocaust because it can't be proven, but to have an understanding of everything before making a valid decision or refuting someone elses as ridiculous because it differs from a mainstream version of events.

What I say is that based on design and what was at the camps, that it was physically impossible to systematically murder millions of people as reported, unless they had some kind of magical powers. This isn't me trying to be funny because I'm open minded enough to believe that anything is possible including magic, but people need to really look into this, and ask why the West was at war with Germany in the first place. A lot of people can't even begin to imagine SS soilders painting Snow White on a wall within a room that was to be used to showcase a childs play, or football games being played (that's soccer for you Americans)

Germany, or any country for that matter who aims to wipe out it's entire labour force during peak war time is just ridiculous. Wave goodbye to full rate production, a key element to winning wars (back in those days)

A lot of lies have been told on this and to "blindly" accept what has been told to us through a combination of testimony, news and hollywood would be a silly thing to do considering the level of confidence we have in these methods of accurateness for truth because if that were the case 9/11 was carried out by Bin Laden, and we went to war in Iraq and Afghan to give them freedom.

I am not enlightened nor claim to be. I am simply an individual that looks at information cautiously and like to do as much as I can to ensure it is accurate before accepting it as a possible truth.


It is indeed True that the chain of events that lead towards WW2 is indeed questionable.
I say WW2 was the unfinished business of WW1. And the Zionist (not jews, there is a difference) played a role in both wars.

But the germans were really ruthless in their conduct.
If one German was killed by the resistance,  They would round up 10, 50 or 100 random men from villagers and they would  be executed.
The decision how many men would be executed (10 for every german soldier or 50 etc.) was done by higher command, depending on how much resistance there was in that area.

If you couple this ruthlessness with Hitler's rhetoric against what he called international jewery. It is not hard 2 imagine, when Germany was facing defeat, what german soldiers would do with innocent jews in their camp.

To discuss technicalities (how it is done how many) is for me irrelevant, these innocent people (men, women and childeren) were removed from their homes, transported 2 these camps and their they died.
People who had their lives ahead of them, people who were like you and me full of ambitions.
People who had nothing to do with world politics.
Imagine yourself and your family in that position. It is horrifying. That's why we must honour the death of innocent people in war. Like today we honour and feel sad for the innocent victims who are attacked by the same godless forces in Syria  (wheter they claim they are muslims is irrelavant their conduct is godless.)


 

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2013, 01:33:29 AM »
Hitler and Germany were demonized for one reason - Hitler once in power turned his back on the bankers and financiers who put him there!!!

He kicked them all out of Germany once in power, including all the Jewish owned media and transformed their bankrupt nation into a world superpower in just under 4 years. In under 4 years Germany went from mass unemployment to flourishing. The people in Germany were no longer starving, poor and homeless. People were working, had homes, were enjoying life. Hell, the money in the citizens pockets had an extra 20+% purchasing power. They created the Autobahn road network, rail lines, all in under 4 years by doing what we should ALL be doing - Cutting the bankers out. Bankers who own all of us had no control to wield in Germany. Some countries in Europe weren't even invaded. History books like to tell us Germany just went on a power trip and started swallowing up countries all over Europe unwillingly. Some of them actually agreed with Hitler and the bankers just couldn't have this man and new Germany run around and influence other countries to remove them, and remove their hold over them.

This is why Hitler was reluctant to bend the UK over and fk it like it could have done easily so many times, because the UK was going through the same parasitical transformation where the financial elite were gaining full control over the former empire and they knew this. They knew it wasn't the UK's fault. They wanted the UK to join them many times.

It was the reason Spencer Perceval was assassinated, The only British Prime Minister to have been assassinated, all because he simply "criticised" the Bank of England (same people behind the FED). JFK - Another who simply "tried" to take power out of the bankers hands was also assassinated. Hitler was successful though, and not only that, other countries in Europe were taking note and supporting it. This is why France, Russia, UK and USA (all owned by the same banking cartel) done everything they could to stop them so that the bankers would maintain control.

Today the history books tell us Hitler was a racist homophobe, and the Nazi's were psycho's, and anyone supporting their cause today is a racist skinhead. Yup, there are those who support them because of this myth and notion. People like JFK get to be heroic because they never succeeded. But had JFK been successful, he would have been known today as the "European-hating mafia-affiliated sexually-perverted scum bag" who raped several women because he could

I agree with your point about WW2 being a continuation of WW1 100% and the Zionists playing a role in both wars. I just think more from both sides needs to be discussed
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