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« Reply #75 on: November 17, 2013, 04:57:14 AM »


Is Wudu the arabic word for Voodoo?



No it is not.

Explanation of Wudu:


There are some arab words:

Noor: Light
Salat: Prayer
Sunnah: Tradition of the prophet
Wudu: Spiritual washing/cleaning

It is not coincident that you wash your hands, feet, eyes, nose, mouth.
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« Reply #76 on: November 17, 2013, 05:05:48 AM »
Wudu and voodooo both sound elaborately ritualistic.
Interesting connection.



 

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« Reply #77 on: November 17, 2013, 05:11:40 AM »
Well let me ask you a question then.
which Religion did Moshe Rabbani follow?
 

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« Reply #78 on: November 17, 2013, 05:17:38 AM »
Which Moshe Rabbani are you referring to Aladin?
 

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« Reply #79 on: November 17, 2013, 05:21:01 AM »
Prophet Musa in arabic. Prophet Moses in english.
 

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« Reply #80 on: November 17, 2013, 05:29:15 AM »
Are you asking because you don't know yourself or do you feel the need to confront me with something you think you know better than me?



 

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« Reply #81 on: November 17, 2013, 05:32:33 AM »
Are you asking because you don't know yourself or do you feel the need to confront me with something you think you know better than me?

No Heinz,
It is a genuine question.
 

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« Reply #82 on: November 17, 2013, 05:33:30 AM »
But for what purpose?
 

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« Reply #83 on: November 17, 2013, 05:35:54 AM »
Let me refrain that question.

If you or me where ever lucky enough 2 meet prophet Moshe on the other side and could ask him what is your religion.
What answer according to you he will give?
 

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« Reply #84 on: November 17, 2013, 05:56:03 AM »
I don't like to speculate or answer for someone other than myself.
And I don't believe in luck.







 

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« Reply #85 on: November 17, 2013, 06:11:53 AM »

let me give you mine perspective.

Moshe can not give the anwer Judaism. He never heard of it in his lifetime.
The name Judaism, is not mentioned in the Torah, nor the Mishnah, nor the Talmud.
If it is mentioned please correct me.

He would probably say. My religion is Total submission to the will of (G_d)  HaShem.
You can not disagree with that term.

Islam is the only religion that is named by G_d himself. It is mentioned in the Quran.
You know what it means?
Islam means Total submission to the will of God in arabic.




 

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« Reply #86 on: November 17, 2013, 06:52:21 AM »

let me give you mine perspective.

Moshe can not give the anwer Judaism. He never heard of it in his lifetime.
The name Judaism, is not mentioned in the Torah, nor the Mishnah, nor the Talmud.
If it is mentioned please correct me.

He would probably say. My religion is Total submission to the will of (G_d)  HaShem.
You can not disagree with that term.

Islam is the only religion that is named by G_d himself. It is mentioned in the Quran.
You know what it means?
Islam means Total submission to the will of God in arabic.


Your perspective is nothing new to me, many muslims share it with you.

Probably denotes speculation.
The truth is neither you nor I KNOW what Moses would answer.
And for you to say what I can or cannot disagree with is somewhat ignorant and assumptious.
The G_d of Moses had a very specific name according to MY faith and that is the G_d my people (Israel) are asked to submit to and no other god.

I have no problem relating to the etymological meaning of islam but I am not a follower of muslim doctrine.
Neither was Moses since the Qu'ran did not exist when he walked the earth so don't try to make him a muslim and speak on his behalf.
















 

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« Reply #87 on: November 17, 2013, 07:12:20 AM »


The G_d of Moses had a very specific name according to MY faith and that is the G_d my people (Israel) are asked to submit to and no other god.

I have no problem relating to the etymological meaning of islam but I am not a follower of muslim doctrine.
Neither was Moses since the Qu'ran did not exist when he walked the earth so don't try to make him a muslim and speak on his behalf.


Exactly. I agree with you.

Islam is not a new religion.
it is rather an continuation of what was revealed to all the Great prophets of G_d.

It is not an attack on your religion, which in mine opinion is the same Religion.  We have some issues, yes. But A jew or a Christian is my brother in faith.

For your information: Muslim means nothing else then one who submits to the will of G_d.
That you held Sabaat yesterday is because of your submission to the will of G_d.
 

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« Reply #88 on: November 17, 2013, 08:06:36 AM »


The G_d of Moses had a very specific name according to MY faith and that is the G_d my people (Israel) are asked to submit to and no other god.

I have no problem relating to the etymological meaning of islam but I am not a follower of muslim doctrine.
Neither was Moses since the Qu'ran did not exist when he walked the earth so don't try to make him a muslim and speak on his behalf.



For your information: Muslim means nothing else then one who submits to the will of G_d.
That you held Sabaat yesterday is because of your submission to the will of G_d.


A muslim (to me) is one that accepts the Qu'ran as the written word of Allah and that Muhammad was his prophet.
The basic tenet for a muslim is that there is no god but Allah...
لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا الله مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ الله
As I understand it this is the foundation for Islam as a religion.
And by that religious definition I am NOT a muslim.
If you simply go by the etymological meaning of the word muslim: "to be whole" then it is of course something different and may be discussed from a different perspective.

Since you are trying to tie everything together by a certain lineage how do you feel about the Bahai faith?
They say that they are a continuation of the same lineage as well.




 

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« Reply #89 on: November 17, 2013, 08:18:29 AM »


The G_d of Moses had a very specific name according to MY faith and that is the G_d my people (Israel) are asked to submit to and no other god.

I have no problem relating to the etymological meaning of islam but I am not a follower of muslim doctrine.
Neither was Moses since the Qu'ran did not exist when he walked the earth so don't try to make him a muslim and speak on his behalf.



For your information: Muslim means nothing else then one who submits to the will of G_d.
That you held Sabaat yesterday is because of your submission to the will of G_d.


A muslim (to me) is one that accepts the Qu'ran as the written word of Allah and that Muhammad was his prophet.
The basic tenet for a muslim is that there is no god but Allah...
لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا الله مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ الله
As I understand it this is the foundation for Islam as a religion.
And by that religious definition I am NOT a muslim.
If you simply go by the etymological meaning of the word muslim: "to be whole" then it is of course something different and may be discussed from a different perspective.

Since you are trying to tie everything together by a certain lineage how do you feel about the Bahai faith?
They say that they are a continuation of the same lineage as well.


Aladin could have talk about the "Primordial Tradition". From Adam (pbuh) to Muhammad (pbuh).
You guys should read the books written by René GUENON (rahimahullah) :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Gu%C3%A9non

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« Reply #90 on: November 17, 2013, 08:25:02 AM »

let me give you mine perspective.

Moshe can not give the anwer Judaism. He never heard of it in his lifetime.
The name Judaism, is not mentioned in the Torah, nor the Mishnah, nor the Talmud.
If it is mentioned please correct me.

He would probably say. My religion is Total submission to the will of (G_d)  HaShem.
You can not disagree with that term.

Islam is the only religion that is named by G_d himself. It is mentioned in the Quran.
You know what it means?
Islam means Total submission to the will of God in arabic.


Your perspective is nothing new to me, many muslims share it with you.

Probably denotes speculation.
The truth is neither you nor I KNOW what Moses would answer.
And for you to say what I can or cannot disagree with is somewhat ignorant and assumptious.
The G_d of Moses had a very specific name according to MY faith and that is the G_d my people (Israel) are asked to submit to and no other god.

I have no problem relating to the etymological meaning of islam but I am not a follower of muslim doctrine.
Neither was Moses since the Qu'ran did not exist when he walked the earth so don't try to make him a muslim and speak on his behalf.


Who are the people of Israel nowadays ? The vast majority of the so called jews don't fall in that category, they are not descendants of the Prophet Israel (pbuh).
 

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« Reply #91 on: November 17, 2013, 08:27:53 AM »

A muslim (to me) is one that accepts the Qu'ran as the written word of Allah and that Muhammad was his prophet.
The basic tenet for a muslim is that there is no god but Allah...
لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا الله مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ الله
As I understand it this is the foundation for Islam as a religion.
And by that religious definition I am NOT a muslim.
If you simply go by the etymological meaning of the word muslim: "to be whole" then it is of course something different and may be discussed from a different perspective.

Since you are trying to tie everything together by a certain lineage how do you feel about the Bahai faith?
They say that they are a continuation of the same lineage as well.



Allah is arabic word for G_d.
You don't say 2 a frenchman, you believe in Dieu and I believe in God.
Christian Arabs use the word Allah for G_d.

I don't try to tie anything together.
We believe in the G_d of Abraham (May G_d be pleased with him.)

When you speak about lineage of Abraham. We believe that G_d choose banu Israel (the children of Israel) out of all nations and tribes.
He send Prophet after Prophet, Messenger after Messenger.
But eventualy after the jewish establishment killed prophets and messengers of G_d,for example  John, zacharia and try to kill the Messiah Jesus.
G_d changed the lineage of Abaraham  to his other son Ismael. And send one final Prophet.
And I have proof that he did.

In Medina there were three Jewish tribes. The creme de la creme of the jewish establishment .
While the rest of the jews were scattered around the world.
These three tribes were together in Medina.

Next time you visit an jewish scholar, you ask him this question. What were those three jewish tribes doing in medina?
 

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« Reply #92 on: November 17, 2013, 08:48:26 AM »
Aladin:
What exactly are your trying to say with your last post?

YouKnowWhatItIzHomie :
Thank you for the René Guenon recommendation, never heard of him.
A red flag pops up when I see references to Madame Blavatsky and the theosophical society, but I will have a look.
Any book you recommend (in english)?








 

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« Reply #93 on: November 17, 2013, 08:54:04 AM »
Aladin:
What exactly are your trying to say with your last post?


Well I rather have you ask the question I posted in my last sentence to your religious scholar.
So that he may give you the answer from the jewish perspective.

But if you rather want our explanation of what the three jewish tribes were doing in Medina, I can give you that.
 

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« Reply #94 on: November 17, 2013, 08:59:16 AM »
Aladin:
What exactly are your trying to say with your last post?

YouKnowWhatItIzHomie :
Thank you for the René Guenon recommendation, never heard of him.
A red flag pops up when I see references to Madame Blavatsky and the theosophical society, but I will have a look.
Any book you recommend (in english)?


As it should
 

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« Reply #95 on: November 17, 2013, 09:05:54 AM »
Aladin:
Make your point already, this is getting tiresome.

Jack Trippa 3z company ho:
I take it you don't put your trust in Lucifer?
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« Reply #96 on: November 17, 2013, 09:26:37 AM »
Aladin:
Make your point already, this is getting tiresome.



They were awaiting a Prophet. Dear nephew, Grandson of Isaak (May G_d be pleased with him)
That is why they were in Medina together.
The creme de la creme of the jewish Rabi's.

Unfortunately most of them  (not all) could not stomach the fact, that this time around the Prophet came from the other lineage of Abaraham.
And I say this with sadness not with pride.
 

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« Reply #97 on: November 17, 2013, 09:53:40 AM »

As it should indeed and you bastardo's are REALLY putting me off pig.

I am HORRIFIED about the facts concerning the shit eaters.
 

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« Reply #98 on: November 17, 2013, 09:58:18 AM »

As it should indeed and you bastardo's are REALLY putting me off pig.

I am HORRIFIED about the facts concerning the shit eaters.

LOL 2 much meat is not good for you.
When you eat it, it is better to eat from a clean animal.
But hey, you should do what you think is right.
 

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« Reply #99 on: November 17, 2013, 10:44:23 AM »
Aladin:
What exactly are your trying to say with your last post?

YouKnowWhatItIzHomie :
Thank you for the René Guenon recommendation, never heard of him.
A red flag pops up when I see references to Madame Blavatsky and the theosophical society, but I will have a look.
Any book you recommend (in english)?


Don't worry about "theosophical references", René GUENON EXPOSED them for what they really are in :

Theosophy: History of a Pseudo-Religion (1921)
The Spiritist Fallacy (1923)

I think "The crisis of the modern world" (1927) is a good book to start with :

http://tohno-chan.com/ddl/src/Rene_Guenon_-_The_Crisis_of_the_Modern_World.p

"The reigns of quantity and the sign of times" (1945) can be dowloaded here :

http://www.academia.edu/882409/The_Reign_of_Quantity_and_Signs_of_the_Times_Rene_Guenon

Many of his books are available in english :

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?ie=UTF8&field-author=Rene+Guenon&search-alias=books&text=Rene+Guenon&sort=relevancerank