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Re: The Pork Discussion Thread
« Reply #90 on: November 17, 2013, 07:25:02 AM »

let me give you mine perspective.

Moshe can not give the anwer Judaism. He never heard of it in his lifetime.
The name Judaism, is not mentioned in the Torah, nor the Mishnah, nor the Talmud.
If it is mentioned please correct me.

He would probably say. My religion is Total submission to the will of (G_d)  HaShem.
You can not disagree with that term.

Islam is the only religion that is named by G_d himself. It is mentioned in the Quran.
You know what it means?
Islam means Total submission to the will of God in arabic.


Your perspective is nothing new to me, many muslims share it with you.

Probably denotes speculation.
The truth is neither you nor I KNOW what Moses would answer.
And for you to say what I can or cannot disagree with is somewhat ignorant and assumptious.
The G_d of Moses had a very specific name according to MY faith and that is the G_d my people (Israel) are asked to submit to and no other god.

I have no problem relating to the etymological meaning of islam but I am not a follower of muslim doctrine.
Neither was Moses since the Qu'ran did not exist when he walked the earth so don't try to make him a muslim and speak on his behalf.


Who are the people of Israel nowadays ? The vast majority of the so called jews don't fall in that category, they are not descendants of the Prophet Israel (pbuh).
 

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Re: The Pork Discussion Thread
« Reply #91 on: November 17, 2013, 07:27:53 AM »

A muslim (to me) is one that accepts the Qu'ran as the written word of Allah and that Muhammad was his prophet.
The basic tenet for a muslim is that there is no god but Allah...
لَا إِلٰهَ إِلَّا الله مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُولُ الله
As I understand it this is the foundation for Islam as a religion.
And by that religious definition I am NOT a muslim.
If you simply go by the etymological meaning of the word muslim: "to be whole" then it is of course something different and may be discussed from a different perspective.

Since you are trying to tie everything together by a certain lineage how do you feel about the Bahai faith?
They say that they are a continuation of the same lineage as well.



Allah is arabic word for G_d.
You don't say 2 a frenchman, you believe in Dieu and I believe in God.
Christian Arabs use the word Allah for G_d.

I don't try to tie anything together.
We believe in the G_d of Abraham (May G_d be pleased with him.)

When you speak about lineage of Abraham. We believe that G_d choose banu Israel (the children of Israel) out of all nations and tribes.
He send Prophet after Prophet, Messenger after Messenger.
But eventualy after the jewish establishment killed prophets and messengers of G_d,for example  John, zacharia and try to kill the Messiah Jesus.
G_d changed the lineage of Abaraham  to his other son Ismael. And send one final Prophet.
And I have proof that he did.

In Medina there were three Jewish tribes. The creme de la creme of the jewish establishment .
While the rest of the jews were scattered around the world.
These three tribes were together in Medina.

Next time you visit an jewish scholar, you ask him this question. What were those three jewish tribes doing in medina?
 

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Re: The Pork Discussion Thread
« Reply #92 on: November 17, 2013, 07:48:26 AM »
Aladin:
What exactly are your trying to say with your last post?

YouKnowWhatItIzHomie :
Thank you for the René Guenon recommendation, never heard of him.
A red flag pops up when I see references to Madame Blavatsky and the theosophical society, but I will have a look.
Any book you recommend (in english)?








 

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Re: The Pork Discussion Thread
« Reply #93 on: November 17, 2013, 07:54:04 AM »
Aladin:
What exactly are your trying to say with your last post?


Well I rather have you ask the question I posted in my last sentence to your religious scholar.
So that he may give you the answer from the jewish perspective.

But if you rather want our explanation of what the three jewish tribes were doing in Medina, I can give you that.
 

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Re: The Pork Discussion Thread
« Reply #94 on: November 17, 2013, 07:59:16 AM »
Aladin:
What exactly are your trying to say with your last post?

YouKnowWhatItIzHomie :
Thank you for the René Guenon recommendation, never heard of him.
A red flag pops up when I see references to Madame Blavatsky and the theosophical society, but I will have a look.
Any book you recommend (in english)?


As it should
 

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Re: The Pork Discussion Thread
« Reply #95 on: November 17, 2013, 08:05:54 AM »
Aladin:
Make your point already, this is getting tiresome.

Jack Trippa 3z company ho:
I take it you don't put your trust in Lucifer?
:)



 

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Re: The Pork Discussion Thread
« Reply #96 on: November 17, 2013, 08:26:37 AM »
Aladin:
Make your point already, this is getting tiresome.



They were awaiting a Prophet. Dear nephew, Grandson of Isaak (May G_d be pleased with him)
That is why they were in Medina together.
The creme de la creme of the jewish Rabi's.

Unfortunately most of them  (not all) could not stomach the fact, that this time around the Prophet came from the other lineage of Abaraham.
And I say this with sadness not with pride.
 

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Re: The Pork Discussion Thread
« Reply #97 on: November 17, 2013, 08:53:40 AM »

As it should indeed and you bastardo's are REALLY putting me off pig.

I am HORRIFIED about the facts concerning the shit eaters.
 

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Re: The Pork Discussion Thread
« Reply #98 on: November 17, 2013, 08:58:18 AM »

As it should indeed and you bastardo's are REALLY putting me off pig.

I am HORRIFIED about the facts concerning the shit eaters.

LOL 2 much meat is not good for you.
When you eat it, it is better to eat from a clean animal.
But hey, you should do what you think is right.
 

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Re: The Pork Discussion Thread
« Reply #99 on: November 17, 2013, 09:44:23 AM »
Aladin:
What exactly are your trying to say with your last post?

YouKnowWhatItIzHomie :
Thank you for the René Guenon recommendation, never heard of him.
A red flag pops up when I see references to Madame Blavatsky and the theosophical society, but I will have a look.
Any book you recommend (in english)?


Don't worry about "theosophical references", René GUENON EXPOSED them for what they really are in :

Theosophy: History of a Pseudo-Religion (1921)
The Spiritist Fallacy (1923)

I think "The crisis of the modern world" (1927) is a good book to start with :

http://tohno-chan.com/ddl/src/Rene_Guenon_-_The_Crisis_of_the_Modern_World.p

"The reigns of quantity and the sign of times" (1945) can be dowloaded here :

http://www.academia.edu/882409/The_Reign_of_Quantity_and_Signs_of_the_Times_Rene_Guenon

Many of his books are available in english :

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?ie=UTF8&field-author=Rene+Guenon&search-alias=books&text=Rene+Guenon&sort=relevancerank
 

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Re: The Pork Discussion Thread
« Reply #100 on: November 17, 2013, 11:35:29 AM »


Don't worry about "theosophical references", René GUENON EXPOSED them for what they really are in :


I don't feel like "exposing" anyone.
This is Train of thought.

I gave our Nephew our point of view. He is still my brother and I thank him for reading and commenting on my comments.

Don't think your approach by attacking and exposing has anything to do with me.
Be kind to others like they are kind to you.
Don't attack others... it is not sunnah.
 

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Re: The Pork Discussion Thread
« Reply #101 on: November 17, 2013, 02:14:16 PM »
Aladin:
Make your point already, this is getting tiresome.



They were awaiting a Prophet. Dear nephew, Grandson of Isaak (May G_d be pleased with him)
That is why they were in Medina together.
The creme de la creme of the jewish Rabi's.

Unfortunately most of them (not all) could not stomach the fact, that this time around the Prophet came from the other lineage of Abaraham.
And I say this with sadness not with pride.

Thank you for the elucidation.
Not sure if it is worth getting sad over.
 

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Re: The Pork Discussion Thread
« Reply #102 on: November 17, 2013, 11:38:51 PM »


Don't worry about "theosophical references", René GUENON EXPOSED them for what they really are in :


I don't feel like "exposing" anyone.
This is Train of thought.

I gave our Nephew our point of view. He is still my brother and I thank him for reading and commenting on my comments.

Don't think your approach by attacking and exposing has anything to do with me.
Be kind to others like they are kind to you.
Don't attack others... it is not sunnah.


Qu'est ce que tu racontes ? Tu t'emballes...

You should read again my messagess on this topic to see that there is no attack lool. I just replied to Heinz regarding his concern about René GUENON on theosophical subject.

Keep cool homie
 

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Re: The Pork Discussion Thread
« Reply #103 on: November 18, 2013, 12:31:06 AM »


Qu'est ce que tu racontes ? Tu t'emballes...

You should read again my messagess on this topic to see that there is no attack lool. I just replied to Heinz regarding his concern about René GUENON on theosophical subject.

Keep cool homie

Well I read it again after your recent comment. My apologies, I misunderstood.
I hope you forgive me, for my harsh words.
 

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Re: The Pork Discussion Thread
« Reply #104 on: November 18, 2013, 01:26:28 AM »


Qu'est ce que tu racontes ? Tu t'emballes...

You should read again my messagess on this topic to see that there is no attack lool. I just replied to Heinz regarding his concern about René GUENON on theosophical subject.

Keep cool homie

Well I read it again after your recent comment. My apologies, I misunderstood.
I hope you forgive me, for my harsh words.

No problem akhi