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« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2003, 12:49:52 PM »


yeah now they have to pay the price...

peace

the hypocrisy..... callin for revenge but puttin "peace" at the end of your post... kiddie
 

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« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2003, 12:51:00 PM »
they were sayin that one of the missiles the Iraqis fires contained VX gas

untrue.
 

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« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2003, 01:18:06 PM »
Once again,

Click here to listen to an Iraqi come out in support of the War.

http://komo1000news.com/audio/kvi_aircheck_031003.mp3
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« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2003, 01:21:00 PM »
u are odviously not american..My family and everyone i love is american they are good people..The fact that people in other countries want to disrespect me pisses me off..Because that disrespects my loved ones
 

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« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2003, 01:29:52 PM »
u are odviously not american..My family and everyone i love is american they are good people..The fact that people in other countries want to disrespect me pisses me off..Because that disrespects my loved ones

don't get off the topic. come up with evidence and prove me wrong.


 

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« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2003, 04:00:36 PM »
anybody that lives in this country and doesn't have the respect for our forfathaz who gave up their lives for freedom and there for doesn't take the responiblity of that freedom shouldn't even be here at all.  we are fighting for our safety and freedom once more. not from unfair rule but from terror and death.  let's kick some ass.  

Which peoples forfathers gave their life for freedom? U cant pick n chose your "forfathers". Some of yur forfathers took others freedoms away probably as well. Think on both sides man. Assume your mother was at work in an office building, and all of a sudden a missle shot thru the side of the buidling, killing her. Would u give a shit if the country responsible for it...FELT that they were doing the right thing? As for fighting for our safety, did u feel unsafe because of Iraq 2 months ago? I didnt. I felt more unsafe because of the fuckin police then i did Iraq. So I dont buy the idea that right now, we're bombing tha shit outta Iraq...so that we are safe here. Find me the time in history that Iraq has brought a war to the US. We tend to wage war on others.
i think the main point is to take them out before they have the technology and the way of attacking us cause right now they cant.....but what if they are left alone to do as they are doing and create a nuclear war head with the rocket technology to reach the United States????....then they become a major threat to us.......so i think the whole basis of this campaign is that.......

isnt that the same thing as if the police were to kill off any POTENTIAL criminal before they hurt anyone? Going on an assumption that they MIGHT hurt someone. Im not saying we dont need to protect ourselves. But if we take that attitude with other countries NOW...what attitude do u think other countries will take with us later. Dont assume that we will be the country "on top" forever. Its easy to think from an American prospective, we ARE American...but think from another perspective too sumtimes yah know? U think other countries see US as a threat? Guarenteed. So our actionz now...will create a certain view of our country later.
 

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« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2003, 06:03:57 PM »
America and the British are the best countries in the world.  Everyone else wants Saddam and his government outta there but are too pussy to step up and risk themselves and spend any money.  They figure America and England will do it anyways and take the bill.

Iraq has a government that cannot run it's country properly and for the good of the Iraqi people they must be removed.  The States and the British are doing the Iraqi people a favor and will hopefully benefit the country in the long run.  

People who are against war always have the arguement that "1000s of innocent people will die".  First, it probably won't be that high unless there is a tragic accident, but it's not like they are aiming missles at residential areas and gunning for them.  Some will die but more will be saved when a proper government is in place a the mass murders and stavation will stop.  

This war will help Iraq in the long run just the invasion of Afganistan will help them in the long run by removing the Taliban from control.
 

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« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2003, 02:53:15 AM »
I hope Iraq wins this war. Atleast that will show that they stood up against the US and were brave enough to fight a mega power. Go Iraq!! The US really had no business to really start a war, peace could have been a better option.

You're my boy, but that's a bullshit post. You want Saddam to win? Then go live under his iron fist and be happy.
 

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« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2003, 04:59:16 AM »
I hope Iraq wins this war. Atleast that will show that they stood up against the US and were brave enough to fight a mega power. Go Iraq!! The US really had no business to really start a war, peace could have been a better option.

You're my boy, but that's a bullshit post. You want Saddam to win? Then go live under his iron fist and be happy.

i think there was more to his "going for Iraq", then simply supporting Saddam. I see it more as, showing America that they are wrong in starting a War. But i dunno.
 

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« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2003, 05:09:44 AM »
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i think there was more to his "going for Iraq", then simply supporting Saddam. I see it more as, showing America that they are wrong in starting a War. But i dunno.

that how i feel if

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« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2003, 05:10:56 AM »
i think there was more to his "going for Iraq", then simply supporting Saddam. I see it more as, showing America that they are wrong in starting a War. But i dunno.

Then he's saying he wants Americans to die, Saddam to remain in power, all over a war he doesn't understand the reasons for?
 

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« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2003, 05:26:20 AM »
i think there was more to his "going for Iraq", then simply supporting Saddam. I see it more as, showing America that they are wrong in starting a War. But i dunno.

Then he's saying he wants Americans to die, Saddam to remain in power, all over a war he doesn't understand the reasons for?

Just because he doesnt AGREE with it, doesnt mean he doesnt UNDERSTAND it. When u say "Americans to die", im guessing youre talkin about American troops. Well, i dont have anymore sympathy for American troops with guns dying...then i do for Iraqi civilians without guns dying. People for sum reason, cant see this from other perspectives...and ONLY from the American (we are always right) perspective. Just because we are at war, doesnt mean we have to SUPPORT America. I agree with sum things we do, disagree with others. I dont just agree, because we are America. And many do. All i know, is if we are the "good" like so many people here think, then how come so many others believe we are "bad"? And dont say..."because they are wrong" lol
 

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« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2003, 05:31:36 AM »
i think there was more to his "going for Iraq", then simply supporting Saddam. I see it more as, showing America that they are wrong in starting a War. But i dunno.

Then he's saying he wants Americans to die, Saddam to remain in power, all over a war he doesn't understand the reasons for?

Just because he doesnt AGREE with it, doesnt mean he doesnt UNDERSTAND it. When u say "Americans to die", im guessing youre talkin about American troops. Well, i dont have anymore sympathy for American troops with guns dying...then i do for Iraqi civilians without guns dying. People for sum reason, cant see this from other perspectives...and ONLY from the American (we are always right) perspective. Just because we are at war, doesnt mean we have to SUPPORT America. I agree with sum things we do, disagree with others. I dont just agree, because we are America. And many do. All i know, is if we are the "good" like so many people here think, then how come so many others believe we are "bad"? And dont say..."because they are wrong" lol

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« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2003, 05:35:54 AM »
Just because he doesnt AGREE with it, doesnt mean he doesnt UNDERSTAND it. When u say "Americans to die", im guessing youre talkin about American troops. Well, i dont have anymore sympathy for American troops with guns dying...then i do for Iraqi civilians without guns dying. People for sum reason, cant see this from other perspectives...and ONLY from the American (we are always right) perspective. Just because we are at war, doesnt mean we have to SUPPORT America. I agree with sum things we do, disagree with others. I dont just agree, because we are America. And many do. All i know, is if we are the "good" like so many people here think, then how come so many others believe we are "bad"? And dont say..."because they are wrong" lol

a) because they're poor and need someone to blame

b) I don't even support this war-I just find most antis retarded mongeese.

c) He doesn't understand the REAL reasons for it. It's not about oil, and it's not because Bush is bloodthirsty. Stop being paranoid.
 

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« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2003, 05:52:11 AM »
Just because he doesnt AGREE with it, doesnt mean he doesnt UNDERSTAND it. When u say "Americans to die", im guessing youre talkin about American troops. Well, i dont have anymore sympathy for American troops with guns dying...then i do for Iraqi civilians without guns dying. People for sum reason, cant see this from other perspectives...and ONLY from the American (we are always right) perspective. Just because we are at war, doesnt mean we have to SUPPORT America. I agree with sum things we do, disagree with others. I dont just agree, because we are America. And many do. All i know, is if we are the "good" like so many people here think, then how come so many others believe we are "bad"? And dont say..."because they are wrong" lol

a) because they're poor and need someone to blame

b) I don't even support this war-I just find most antis retarded mongeese.

c) He doesn't understand the REAL reasons for it. It's not about oil, and it's not because Bush is bloodthirsty. Stop being paranoid.

a) The Russians felt we were "bad" when they were the OTHER super power. So being poor has nothing to do with it.

And what would YOU say is the reason for this war? Aside from just simply believing everything that Bush says as to WHY we are at war. "To protect ourselves, and the rest of the world...blah blah blah". Im not backing Saddam in tha least...but im SURE, we are creating something that will come back to haunt us in this. Not from Iraq...but because of those countries who now look at us much differently then before. The good thing is, Bush probably wont serve a second term. Because i guarentee he wont be happy with just killing Iraqi's...he'll want to go on to another country, and kill them also. And yes i use the word "kill" for a reason. This could have been solved a better way, I read yur other thread. So i know u agree.
 

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« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2003, 05:58:31 AM »
a) The Russians felt we were "bad" when they were the OTHER super power. So being poor has nothing to do with it.

And what would YOU say is the reason for this war? Aside from just simply believing everything that Bush says as to WHY we are at war. "To protect ourselves, and the rest of the world...blah blah blah". Im not backing Saddam in tha least...but im SURE, we are creating something that will come back to haunt us in this. Not from Iraq...but because of those countries who now look at us much differently then before. The good thing is, Bush probably wont serve a second term. Because i guarentee he wont be happy with just killing Iraqi's...he'll want to go on to another country, and kill them also. And yes i use the word "kill" for a reason. This could have been solved a better way, I read yur other thread. So i know u agree.

a) The Russians didn't hate us. Their government hated us. Their excuse was that the US were capitalists, but that's a false reason. The Russian government after Trotsky died wasn't communist. It was as capitalist as any other world government. Just a corrupt tyrannical capitalist government.

So that's not a great example. Also, the Russian PEOPLE were poor, and needed an ogre to hate.

I never said this situation could be solved in a better way. Maybe it's best not to solve it. Maybe it's best to let them kill us.
 

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« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2003, 12:00:40 PM »
The media is just as bad as any of these war-mongers.  They are the ones making this look like a football game.


Yeah, I agree.  They're over there like it's a country club.  "Well, Bob, I can see the explosions out the window, it's pretty exciting!"
 

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« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2003, 12:02:54 PM »
so now, if saddam does have wmd that hardly anybody knew about, now saddam will probably use them on america.  I'm sure everybody will still be all gun ho about going to war right?  If a major city in america gets bombed really bad, that will just be excellent.

If saddam really doesn't have wmd, say we whoop their ass.  Sure we have beaten them right now for the short run.  But there is still gonna be tons of terrorists, muslims, iraqies, afghani's who hate us.  They are not just gonna forget about this shit.  In a few years they are just gonna have a new leader we don't like and the terrorist will be wanting even more revenge.  The terrorist fucking kill themselves to attack us!!!  Thats fucking crazy!!!  You don't see no americans pullin that crazy suicide attack shit.  These terrorist ain't doing that shit for oil and money.  They fucking really want to hurt us and kill us from shit that we have done to them in the past.

so who knows we may have another terrorist attack soon.  there is a whole bunch of other shit I could write about, but I don't want to.  bottom line is:  A whole bunch of people are gonna die from this.  And a whole bunch could be americans.  and if you are an american, I can't see why you think that going to war is the best option.  If we are so worried about a terrorist threat, why don't we spend the money we are spending on the war and spend it on home land security.  If we get bombed and your parents get killed, I bet you will be stoked we went to war.  Or if you really believed that we should go to war, then why didn't you enlist?  And say you did enlist with all your buddies, and you the only one outta your friends that comes back, but missing a leg.  War ain't lookin too good anymore is it?  Is anyone who decided we are going to war gonna lose their life?  Fuck no.  Bush, cheyney, powell, all them guys, ain't gonna be touched.  I believe that war is inevitable.  I believe that it is impossible to have world peace.  Oh well, what the fuck can I do?  Fuck fighting, I don't have no hatred towards Iraq and I sure as hell ain't risking my life for my government.

By your rationale, we shouldn't arrest serial killers, because other serial killers might get mad, and kill MORE PEOPLE.  By your rationale, we should just let them kill whoever they want, we should never approach them, becuase it might get worse.  SCREW THAT, you're a coward.  
 

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« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2003, 12:06:27 PM »
anybody that lives in this country and doesn't have the respect for our forfathaz who gave up their lives for freedom and there for doesn't take the responiblity of that freedom shouldn't even be here at all.  we are fighting for our safety and freedom once more. not from unfair rule but from terror and death.  let's kick some ass.  

Which peoples forfathers gave their life for freedom? U cant pick n chose your "forfathers". Some of yur forfathers took others freedoms away probably as well. Think on both sides man. Assume your mother was at work in an office building, and all of a sudden a missle shot thru the side of the buidling, killing her. Would u give a shit if the country responsible for it...FELT that they were doing the right thing? As for fighting for our safety, did u feel unsafe because of Iraq 2 months ago? I didnt. I felt more unsafe because of the fuckin police then i did Iraq. So I dont buy the idea that right now, we're bombing tha shit outta Iraq...so that we are safe here. Find me the time in history that Iraq has brought a war to the US. We tend to wage war on others.

Where do you think Terrorists get their weapons? Terrorists have attacked us, right?  You agree with that, correct?  Where do you think they buy their weapons?  From the most despicable people on the planet, probably.  I would consider Saadam one of those.  
 

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« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2003, 12:07:54 PM »
^^^^^^^^^
so why not keep inspectors in there and maintain the shit, instead of bombing them.

So Instead of putting Killers in prison, we should just have people stand around and watch them, to make sure they don't kill anybody?  
 

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« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2003, 12:10:29 PM »
I hope Iraq wins this war. Atleast that will show that they stood up against the US and were brave enough to fight a mega power. Go Iraq!! The US really had no business to really start a war, peace could have been a better option.

Unbelievable.  How the hell... I guess when Blade's dad got your mom pregnant, the good strong sperm turned into Blade, and the deformed retarded ones brought us apocolypse.  
 

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« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2003, 12:12:39 PM »
anybody that lives in this country and doesn't have the respect for our forfathaz who gave up their lives for freedom and there for doesn't take the responiblity of that freedom shouldn't even be here at all.  we are fighting for our safety and freedom once more. not from unfair rule but from terror and death.  let's kick some ass.  

Which peoples forfathers gave their life for freedom? U cant pick n chose your "forfathers". Some of yur forfathers took others freedoms away probably as well. Think on both sides man. Assume your mother was at work in an office building, and all of a sudden a missle shot thru the side of the buidling, killing her. Would u give a shit if the country responsible for it...FELT that they were doing the right thing? As for fighting for our safety, did u feel unsafe because of Iraq 2 months ago? I didnt. I felt more unsafe because of the fuckin police then i did Iraq. So I dont buy the idea that right now, we're bombing tha shit outta Iraq...so that we are safe here. Find me the time in history that Iraq has brought a war to the US. We tend to wage war on others.
i think the main point is to take them out before they have the technology and the way of attacking us cause right now they cant.....but what if they are left alone to do as they are doing and create a nuclear war head with the rocket technology to reach the United States????....then they become a major threat to us.......so i think the whole basis of this campaign is that.......

isnt that the same thing as if the police were to kill off any POTENTIAL criminal before they hurt anyone? Going on an assumption that they MIGHT hurt someone. Im not saying we dont need to protect ourselves. But if we take that attitude with other countries NOW...what attitude do u think other countries will take with us later. Dont assume that we will be the country "on top" forever. Its easy to think from an American prospective, we ARE American...but think from another perspective too sumtimes yah know? U think other countries see US as a threat? Guarenteed. So our actionz now...will create a certain view of our country later.

That's only a portion of it.  In reality, Saadam isn't a POTENTIAL criminal, he's already killed u.s. troops, his own citizens, etc. etc.  Your argument = Invalid.  Next.  
 

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« Reply #47 on: March 21, 2003, 12:16:27 PM »


And what would YOU say is the reason for this war?

I think the SCUD missles being fired into Kuwait is a good enough reason, since they're illegal, proving Saadam is in violation of the cease fire agreement with the U.N. = No Cease Fire Agreement.

I also think the IRAQI Civilians dancing in the streets as we liberate them is a good indicator that this is a just war, or the Kuwaiti muslims that were just shown in Kuwaiti Mosques praying for the safety of U.S. and British troops as they liberate their Iraqi neighbors.  
 

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« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2003, 02:22:20 PM »
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By your rationale, we shouldn't arrest serial killers, because other serial killers might get mad, and kill MORE PEOPLE.  By your rationale, we should just let them kill whoever they want, we should never approach them, becuase it might get worse.  SCREW THAT, you're a coward.  

I'm a coward?  Shit fool, I'm down to fight for what I believe in, and I always stand up for myself.  Am I gonna risk my life for my government?  Fuck no, never.  What the fuck has my government done for me?  I can think of a lot of shit they have done to me that causes more problems.  And my rationale is not that at all.  Ok, so say we whoop the fucking shit outta Iraq.  We of course will end up destroy a lot of Iraq and killing many people.  You think the terrorists and Iraqi's are just gonna forget about that?  Hell no, a few years down the road more bullshit is just gonna happen.

Oh yeah Trauma, since you are so patriotic and think this war is such a good thing, then answer my question:  Why don't you enlist???  Don't give me any of that patriotic bullshit if you are not enlisting in the war, and are not willing to die or kill somebody.  See you are the one who is the coward, because you believe that we should be going to war, but you won't fight for it.  Now thats a coward.  Anything I believe in I will fight for.  And I sure as hell don't believe in Bush, our Government, police, judges, courts.  Fuck em.  You think they give a fuck about me?  Hell no.

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Gray Davis made a huge cut in spending on education in california.  Many teachers are going to be laid off or lose their jobs, my mom may be one of them.  What we don't have money for education, but we got plenty of money for war.  War is much more important than education right?  You know how many times Bush has been to Cali, since he been elected?  2 maybe 3 times max.  Yet he goes to texas like every week.   Some of u guys are straight brainwashed.  Well then get off you fuckin ass and go kill some Iraqi's, don't sit here on the internet fucking praising Bush and this war.  Go fight.  Go down in history as a war hero.  You may be the one who drops a bomb that kills 100 innocent people.  That is something to be extremely proud of.  Or go get exposed to some nuclear chemical's that your government doesn't tell you about until 10 years later.  Bush is a great leader tho rite?  I mean the economy is in shambles, many countries hate us now, we have  threats of being attacked by terrorists, and we are at war.  Damn how could he be doing any better?  Matter of fact Trauma, since you are so patriotic, why don't you encourage your brother to enlist too.  All you patriotic fools, go encourage all your family members  and friends  to enlist.

And you know what is really ironic?  Just about every thread on gangs on this message board, everyone says gangs are really stupid and all that.  Yet then some of the same people praise this war.  hahahaha.  A lot of people are forced into gangs, a big reason due to how our government fucks them over, and makes it so people can never get out of a hole.  Man I could go on and on, but fuck it.  Your words don't mean shit to mean if u are praising the war but not fighting in it.
 

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Re:THE WAR HAS BEGUN
« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2003, 02:44:33 PM »
a) The Russians didn't hate us. Their government hated us.

Also, the Russian PEOPLE were poor, and needed an ogre to hate.


u just contradicted yurself.

and Russian PEOPLE, didnt particularly LIKE us...and really, they still dont. They just have to right now. Not all "poor" people hate the US man, its not about being poor. Its about countries who have VERY different policies and cultures then us...not liking us having a big military presence in their country, and telling THEM how to run things. Youre not in their shoes, so it might be hard to understand.