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A very sad day for american history
« on: March 20, 2003, 12:34:29 PM »
 :'( well all I can hope for now, since the war started, is to pray for the least amount of casualties on both sides. I just hope that the people on this board that are from other countries realize that all americans arent war mongering, red neck, careless assholes.  I wish there was some way I could help these innocent Iraqi people.
 

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2003, 12:41:03 PM »
big up
 

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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2003, 01:15:02 PM »
I wish there was some way I could help these innocent Iraqi people.

Your military is doing just that right now.
 

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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2003, 01:34:01 PM »
I wish there was some way I could help these innocent Iraqi people.

Your military is doing just that right now.

propaganda as usual...
 

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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2003, 01:44:40 PM »
I wish there was some way I could help these innocent Iraqi people.

Your military is doing just that right now.

propaganda as usual...

Do me a favor and listen to this:

http://komo1000news.com/audio/kvi_aircheck_031003.mp3

I'd like to hear your thoughts
 

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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2003, 02:05:04 PM »
I wish there was some way I could help these innocent Iraqi people.

Your military is doing just that right now.

propaganda as usual...

Do me a favor and listen to this:

http://komo1000news.com/audio/kvi_aircheck_031003.mp3

I'd like to hear your thoughts


1. propaganda as usual.
2. listen little girl..... hubris and anger.... no further comment necessary...
3. facts? no.
4. hatred? yes.
5. care about his own peeps? on the surface...
6. brain-washed? yes.

This is the usual propaganda by expatriates.

Why doesn't the US support a revolution in Iraq? Prolly cuz Bush and Dick are afraid of Iran pt.2....
« Last Edit: March 20, 2003, 02:06:01 PM by Agua »
 

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2003, 02:14:21 PM »
How is this Propaganda?

This man is an Iraqi,
He supports the war in Iraq
He makes the point that Civilian deaths are an everyday occurance with Saddam
The person he is talking to CANNOT answer his question: "How will leaving Saddam in power promote peace and justice in Iraq?"

It's dissapointing that people who claim to be so "Educated" are so blind to the facts and stuck in their views. Somebody is "Brainwashed" just because they have a differnt opinion than you? Thats ignorance at it's finest.
 

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2003, 02:49:54 PM »
first day of war almost over : 0 civilians reported dead ....many government iraqi officials killed 5 being head officers


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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2003, 03:31:49 PM »
2. listen little girl..... hubris and anger.... no further comment necessary...

you're a pitiful little kid.

 

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2003, 11:38:04 AM »
Aqua, we ARE supporting the Iraqi's overthrowing their government! LOL are you that incredibly stupid?  
 

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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2003, 03:08:48 PM »
UN relevance faces historic test
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/EC11Aa01.html
Asia Times analyses the role of the UN now that USA and Great Britain are willing to go to war without the support of the UN(Asia Times, 11.03.03).

US media: Telling it like it isn't
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/EC07Aa01.html
Asia Times believes the United States media don't respect its responsibility, and encourages americans to read foreign press(Asia Times, 07.03.03).

Problems with a 'painless' war
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EC05Ak02.html
Asia Times reflects upon the costs of a war, to USA, Iraq as well as the rest of the world (Asia Times, 04.03.03).

At the gates of heaven - or hell
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EB26Ak04.html
Iraq is the bridge between different worlds, historically, religiously, ethnologically and geographically. A war taking place there will release powers that are impossible to control(Asia Times, 26.02.03).

Get to the root of the Iraq problem
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit/archives/2003/03/03/196617
USA should study what causes conflicts if they want to solve them, a war would only result in large human sufferings and will not lead to peace, writes Taipei Times in its editorial(Taipei Times, 03.03.02).

VN backs political solution for Iraq
http://vietnamnews.vnagency.com.vn/2003-02/18/Stories/04.htm
The vietnamese Ministry of Foreign Affairs mentions peace demonstrations and the lack of evidence from the weapon inspectors, and opposes any war on Iraq (Viet Nam News, 18.02.03).

No wonder nobody believes you, Mr Bush
http://www.malaysiakini.com/columns/20030301013723.php
Malaysiakini gives a historical analysis of USAs foreign politics (Malaysiakini, 01.03.03).

The 'war' behind the war on Iraq
http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/200302260033932.php
A war against Iraq isn't a war between western and islamic civilizations, instead it is a war between western fundamentalistic universialism and an ideology which doesn't accept such an universialism (Malaysiakini, 26.02.03).

Obscured by war clouds
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_167737,00120001.htm
Why is USA so firmly comfident on going to war, asks Hindustan Times in its editorial, while claiming that USA underestimates the weapon inspectors (Hindustan Times, 17.02.03).

Is Iraq row about high principle or low politics?
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2003/02/14/200302140029.asp
Daljit Singh analyses the peace initiative from France, Russia and Germany, while remembering the european colonial past (The Korea Herald, 14.02.03). (You need to register to read it.)

NAM: Lining up against war
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/EB25Ae02.html
The NAM (Non-Alined Movement)-conferance critisizes USAs double moral regarding the Israeli aggression, its possession of weapons of mass destruction and non-compliance with United Nations resolutions (Asia Times, 25.02.03).

China urges political solution to Iraq issue within UN framework
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2003-02/24/content_742644.htm
The new president of China, Hu Jintao, discussed the Iraq conflict with US foreign minister Colin Powell during Powell's visit to Beijing, and repeated China's stance, saying that the conflict must be solved using peaceful methodes within the framework of the UN (Xinhuanet, 24.02.03).

Can Iraq war win Middle East peace?
http://www.bangkokpost.com/030303_News/03Mar2003_opin22.html
To win the war is not the same as to win the peace; a war can succeed in getting rid of Saddam Hussein, while at the same time it can cause a tremendous chaos, both within and outside Iraq (Bangkok Post, 03.03.02).

Terrorists wait in the wings
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EB15Ak02.html
There havent been dedicated money to governing and rebuilding Iraq after the invation in the US budget, claims B Raman, who considers the danger of terrorism after a war on Iraq (Asia Times,15.02.03).

Iraq: Give democracy a real chance
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EB13Ak06.html
The way USA wants to democratize Iraq is undemocratic, claims Akhilesh Upadhyay, who discusses the idea of creating a transitional government in exile (Asia Times, 13.02.03).

Can Iraq be won?
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_12-2-2003_pg3_3
USA underestimates how difficult the process of democratization in Iraq might be, says the Daily Times (Daily Times, 12.02.03).

Iraq's troubled past
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2003/02/10/200302100016.asp
Korea Herald summarizes in its editorial how, in the past, western rulers in arabic countries have been (Korea Herald, 10.02.03). (You need to register to read.)

Axis of evil’ gets together over terror, war, Palestinians and nukes
http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/200302210019260.php
The countries that make up the axis of evil discusses together with 111 other countries at the NAM conferance a statement where they "reject the threats of unilateral use of force to resolve issues affecting international peace and security" (Malaysiakini, 21.02.03).

Old alliances, new risks
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EB12Ak02.html
The conflict between USA and certain european countries over strategies concerning the Iraq crising is a clear sign that the international alliances from the 20th century are about to fall apart, says an analysis from Asia Times (Asia Times, 12.02.03).

‘A splendid little war’
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_10-2-2003_pg3_3
Will the human race survive one more American Century, asks Hani Shukrallah in his analysis of USA's war business in the 20th century (Daily Times, 10.02.03).

THE UNITED STATES’S TWO GULF WARS-
A Comparative Analysis
http://www.saag.org/papers6/paper598.html
South Asia Analysis Group compares a proximate war against Iraq against the past gulf war (SAAG, 04.02.03).

Oil may be the answer, but it isn't the question
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EB06Ak03.html
Asia Times reflects upon what the real questions behind the Iraq conflict are (Asia Times, 06.02.03)

Faltering Bush
http://www.tribune.net.ph/
American hegemonic tendencies and authoritarian global influence is commented by the Daily Tribune (The Daily Tribune, 19.02.03).

Why George wants Saddam’s head
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_197994,00120002.htm
Hindustan Times analyses the causes behind the Iraq conflict(Hindustan Times, 27.02.03).

The Indian Express has created a section for its readers to discuss India's stance on the Iraq conflict:
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=18315

Price of backing U.S. against Iraq
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/geted.pl5?ed20030303a1.htm
Japan Times analyses in its editorial the price of a war on Iraq, to the world in general and to Japan specifically (The Japan times, 03.03.03).

Japan calls for new resolution
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?nn20030220a1.htm
Japan continues to support USA's hard stance on Iraq and requests a new resolution (The Japan Times, 20.02.03).

Japan's spontaneous support for war
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/EB14Dh02.html
Japans support to USA isn't as surprising as many think it is, says Asia Times (Asia Times, 14.02.03).

China unlikely to veto Iraq war resolution
http://www.asianettverket.uio.no/P%E5%20tross%20av%20sitt%20klare%20standpunkt%20mot%20krig,%20er%20det%20sannsynlig%20at
The need for a good relationship with USA to ensure a continuation of the economical growth is most likely more important that their stance against the war, says Asia Times (Asia Times, 01.03.02).

War on Iraq arouses environmental fears among Chinese scientists
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2003-02/17/content_732441.htm
Chinese scientists fears a war on Iraq will lead to an ecological disaster, and doubts that USA considers the environmental costs (Xinhuanet, 17.02.03).

Xinhua, China's governmental news agency, has gathered its articles on the Iraq conflict here:
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/upw/index.htm

China Daily has created a discussion board for its chinese readers to discuss the conflict, in english:
http://211.147.20.14/bbs/forum.shtml?fid=106

Increasing isolation of the Bush administration
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_25-2-2003_pg3_2
USA's foreign political arrogance is discussed in the editorial of pakistani Daily Times (Daily Times, 25.02.03).

Editorial: US options on Iraq
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_17-2-2003_pg3_1
USA's options after the weapon inspectors have presented their findings to the UN security council is commented in the editorial of Daily Times (Daily Times, 17.02.03).
 

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2003, 03:09:34 PM »
2. listen little girl..... hubris and anger.... no further comment necessary...

you're a pitiful little kid.



nice try hatemonger. read the articles.
 

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2003, 03:13:49 PM »
Aqua, we ARE supporting the Iraqi's overthrowing their government! LOL are you that incredibly stupid?  

there's a slight difference between supporting a revolution and invading iraq yourself. LOL are you that incredibly stupid?  By the way, i read your posts as for other people on this board being brainwashed..... very nice. What do you call it when a brainwashed person calls other people brainwashed?
 

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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2003, 03:14:44 PM »
2. listen little girl..... hubris and anger.... no further comment necessary...

you're a pitiful little kid.



nice try hatemonger. read the articles.

LOL, How am I a hatemonger??
 

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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2003, 03:16:25 PM »
Here you go:

The Horrors of "Peace"
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/002/314yltit.asp

'When Will Americans Come?'
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003156

Dear marcher, please answer a few questions
http://www.guardian.co.uk/antiwar/story/0,12809,897694,00.html

... And why I will not
http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,895397,00.html

It's a just war, say Iraq's exiles
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/02/16/ndemo316.xml

you gave me articles by newspapers which are in support of the war and, besides, highly manipulative? if this wasn't such a serious situation, I'd laugh at your blatant attempt to spread propaganda.
 

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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2003, 03:16:28 PM »
there's a slight difference between supporting a revolution and invading iraq yourself. LOL are you that incredibly stupid?  By the way, i read your posts as for other people on this board being brainwashed..... very nice. What do you call it when a brainwashed person calls other people brainwashed?


Agua
 

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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2003, 03:20:02 PM »
there's a slight difference between supporting a revolution and invading iraq yourself. LOL are you that incredibly stupid?  By the way, i read your posts as for other people on this board being brainwashed..... very nice. What do you call it when a brainwashed person calls other people brainwashed?


Agua

very funny but weak tho. read the articles unless you are afraid of seeing things from a different angle.
 

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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2003, 03:21:46 PM »
Typical anit-war lines:

1. Anything that sheds the war in a positive light, from Iraqis welcoming troops, to scientific polls (the same polls that have shown lesser support for the war in previous months, btw) showing that 7/10 Americans currently support the war, is propaganda.

2. Anyone who is for the war is apathetic and/or uneducated.

3. Our anti-war stance has nothing to do with our deep hatred of Bush and anything Republican.

4. The protests are not organized by rich organizations backed by political agendas that have absolutely NOTHING to do with Iraq, such as the furtherance of the Communist cause.

5. The protests are purely a grass-roots movement; nevermind that they can cost as much as $200,000 EACH for equipment, toilets, food, water, etc.

6. Barbra Streisand, Martin Sheen, Alec Baldwin, Julia Roberts, Sean Penn, Mike Farrell and Janeane Garofelo never completed anything beyond high school graduation, but they know more about geopolicital strategy and diplomacy than Bush's Yale, Harvard, Princeton and Notre Dame educated cabinet.

7. It is because of these views and because of violence and stupidity excercised by many of our fellow protestors that the anti-war "movement" in this country was DOA and most Americans consider us batshiat crazy cowards with too much time on our hands.
 

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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2003, 03:22:29 PM »
 

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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2003, 03:31:31 PM »
Typical anit-war lines:

1. Anything that sheds the war in a positive light, from Iraqis welcoming troops, to scientific polls (the same polls that have shown lesser support for the war in previous months, btw) showing that 7/10 Americans currently support the war, is propaganda.

2. Anyone who is for the war is apathetic and/or uneducated.

3. Our anti-war stance has nothing to do with our deep hatred of Bush and anything Republican.

4. The protests are not organized by rich organizations backed by political agendas that have absolutely NOTHING to do with Iraq, such as the furtherance of the Communist cause.

5. The protests are purely a grass-roots movement; nevermind that they can cost as much as $200,000 EACH for equipment, toilets, food, water, etc.

6. Barbra Streisand, Martin Sheen, Alec Baldwin, Julia Roberts, Sean Penn, Mike Farrell and Janeane Garofelo never completed anything beyond high school graduation, but they know more about geopolicital strategy and diplomacy than Bush's Yale, Harvard, Princeton and Notre Dame educated cabinet.

7. It is because of these views and because of violence and stupidity excercised by many of our fellow protestors that the anti-war "movement" in this country was DOA and most Americans consider us batshiat crazy cowards with too much time on our hands.

1. the use of words such as 'war' and 'positive' in the same sentence is absolutely hilarious.
2. nope
3. nope
4. uhhh... mccarthy is back? nice comment man. it shows your way of thinking.
5. nope.
6. herman melville left school at the age of twelve. his romance "moby dick; or the whale" is probably the best book ever written. nice try man.
7. propaganda as usual
8. i cannot take you serious.
 

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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2003, 03:35:40 PM »
6. herman melville left school at the age of twelve. his romance "moby dick; or the whale" is probably the best book ever written. nice try man.


What books do you read? Moby Dick is greatest ever? Uh. Okay then.
 

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« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2003, 03:42:11 PM »
6. herman melville left school at the age of twelve. his romance "moby dick; or the whale" is probably the best book ever written. nice try man.


What books do you read? Moby Dick is greatest ever? Uh. Okay then.

here's a short list of my favorite books:
Günter Grass - The Tin Tin Drum
Toni Morrison - The Bluest Eye and Beloved
Ralph Ellison - Invisible Man
Nathaniel Hawthorne - The Scarlet Letter
Joseph Conrad - Heart of Darkness
James Joyce - Ulysees
Virigina Woolf - Mrs Dalloway

I bet you guys don't know guys like Derrida, Foucault, Barthes, Said, Bhabha and Fanon. hence i won't mention them.

p/s i guess you don't know what moby dick really is about...
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« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2003, 03:43:18 PM »
1. the use of words such as 'war' and 'positive' in the same sentence is absolutely hilarious.
2. nope
3. nope
4. uhhh... mccarthy is back? nice comment man. it shows your way of thinking.
5. nope.
6. herman melville left school at the age of twelve. his romance "moby dick; or the whale" is probably the best book ever written. nice try man.
7. propaganda as usual
8. i cannot take you serious.
Ah well, I guess you can't convince the un-convincible. Have fun living in your little bubble.
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