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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2003, 03:48:03 PM »
here's a short list of my favorite books:
Günter Grass - The Tin Tin Drum
Toni Morrison - The Bluest Eye and Beloved
Ralph Ellison - Invisible Man
Nathaniel Hawthorne - The Scarlet Letter
Joseph Conrad - Heart of Darkness
James Joyce - Ulysees
Virigina Woolf - Mrs Dalloway

I bet you guys don't know guys like Derrida, Foucault, Barthes, Said, Bhabha and Fanon. hence i won't mention them.

p/s i guess you don't know what moby dick really is about...

Michel Foucalt makes me vomit.

And, quite simply, either Catch 22, Orwell's stuff, or PB Shelley's stuff are my favourite books/etc.

And Moby Dick was about a man getting an obsession and chasing into until death. It was well written. It wans't the best. It did contain a moral lesson, yes.
 

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2003, 03:48:12 PM »
1. Anything that sheds the war in a positive light, from Iraqis welcoming troops, to scientific polls (the same polls that have shown lesser support for the war in previous months, btw) showing that 7/10 Americans currently support the war, is propaganda


7. propaganda as usual



Thanks for proving my point.
 

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2003, 03:48:54 PM »

Ah well, I guess you can't convince the un-convincible. Have fun living in your little bubble.

hahaha

P/s i know that your last sentence was supposed to be "from what I've heard, ignorance really is a bliss".....we both know the reason why you left it out.... so pitiful.....
 

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2003, 03:54:16 PM »


Michel Foucalt makes me vomit.

And, quite simply, either Catch 22, Orwell's stuff, or PB Shelley's stuff are my favourite books/etc.

And Moby Dick was about a man getting an obsession and chasing into until death. It was well written. It wans't the best. It did contain a moral lesson, yes.

1. The Archaeology of Knowledge is one of the most important books in poststructuralism. I agree that his books are a difficult read but highly influential, though.
2. Eric Blair is nice. I like Animal Farm
3.  moby dick is not about ahab, it's about ismael. Besides, it's about politics, philosophy (the epistemological crisis) and nature
 

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2003, 03:59:31 PM »
1. The Archaeology of Knowledge is one of the most important books in poststructuralism. I agree that his books are a difficult read but highly influential, though.
2. Eric Blair is nice. I like Animal Farm
3.  moby dick is not about ahab, it's about ismael. Besides, it's about politics, philosophy (the epistemological crisis) and nature

My problem with Foucault is Queer Theory. My repressed homosexuality refuses to be outed by some Frenchman in a cafe wearing a beret, drinking shitty coffee and smoking.

I think Moby Dick is about the whale. The monster eating us up.

I also like Solznyetzin, and Jaroslav Hasek. And Vaclav Havel, perhaps the most insightful politician since Marcus Aurelius.
 

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2003, 05:45:06 PM »
:'( well all I can hope for now, since the war started, is to pray for the least amount of casualties on both sides. I just hope that the people on this board that are from other countries realize that all americans arent war mongering, red neck, careless assholes.  I wish there was some way I could help these innocent Iraqi people.
wtf...not only does this post discourage me but a lot of responses do also...i personally am 100% for the war...america is showing courage, leadership and wisdom in what we are doing...look on the news now...iraqi people embracing american troops...american troops finding chemical weapons...look at iraq...they are and will be happy to be free from sadams rule...i can understand why some here are against war but to say a sad day for american history  >:( really some of you are spinless cowards and no different than a bunch of peace loving hippies from the 60's...this event has made me even more proud to be from american....  we are preventing sadam from using 0r selling(to terrorists) WOMD....are some of you really that blind to think that we dont have enough evidence from intelligence to know this....  for all you peace loving pussies out there here's a brief leason we learned from history...just think if back in the late 30's...if britan, france, U.S. would have stood together and stopped Germany when it was a growing threat(and they knew he was a threat), then millions of lives would have been saved(you think france would have thought about this..but then again it is the french)
 

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2003, 12:26:53 AM »
Typical anit-war lines:

1. Anything that sheds the war in a positive light, from Iraqis welcoming troops, to scientific polls (the same polls that have shown lesser support for the war in previous months, btw) showing that 7/10 Americans currently support the war, is propaganda.

2. Anyone who is for the war is apathetic and/or uneducated.

3. Our anti-war stance has nothing to do with our deep hatred of Bush and anything Republican.

4. The protests are not organized by rich organizations backed by political agendas that have absolutely NOTHING to do with Iraq, such as the furtherance of the Communist cause.

5. The protests are purely a grass-roots movement; nevermind that they can cost as much as $200,000 EACH for equipment, toilets, food, water, etc.

6. Barbra Streisand, Martin Sheen, Alec Baldwin, Julia Roberts, Sean Penn, Mike Farrell and Janeane Garofelo never completed anything beyond high school graduation, but they know more about geopolicital strategy and diplomacy than Bush's Yale, Harvard, Princeton and Notre Dame educated cabinet.

7. It is because of these views and because of violence and stupidity excercised by many of our fellow protestors that the anti-war "movement" in this country was DOA and most Americans consider us batshiat crazy cowards with too much time on our hands.

1. Not really. Trying to tell me Al qaeda and iraq are intertwined is propoganda. Tellin me this is a war of liberation is propaganda.

2. Not really. Just ignorant war mongerors.

3. Republican/Democracts makes no difference. The Israeli lobby has influence with whatever govt is in power. America's foreign policy under Democrats is not peace signs and flowers.

4. Yes. The majority of these protests are anarchists, would be activists, commies, and plain ole political bandwagoners. That still doesnt legitimize this war.

5. See Above,

6. Nobody in their right mind takes these quasi-politicians seriously. Their task is simply to highlight growing American dissent.

7. Americans consider the peace movement cowards because disagreeing with their president is inconcievable. Apparently, calling for the murder of thousands of civilians and an illegal unjust attack by the biggest military power in the world on a tin pot army is not cowardice. Excuse me while I throw up.
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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2003, 12:34:15 AM »
wtf...not only does this post discourage me but a lot of responses do also...i personally am 100% for the war...america is showing courage, leadership and wisdom in what we are doing...look on the news now...iraqi people embracing american troops...american troops finding chemical weapons...look at iraq...they are and will be happy to be free from sadams rule...i can understand why some here are against war but to say a sad day for american history  >:( really some of you are spinless cowards and no different than a bunch of peace loving hippies from the 60's...this event has made me even more proud to be from american....  we are preventing sadam from using 0r selling(to terrorists) WOMD....are some of you really that blind to think that we dont have enough evidence from intelligence to know this....  for all you peace loving pussies out there here's a brief leason we learned from history...just think if back in the late 30's...if britan, france, U.S. would have stood together and stopped Germany when it was a growing threat(and they knew he was a threat), then millions of lives would have been saved(you think france would have thought about this..but then again it is the french)

1. This war is carried out amidst global opposition, and will most likely infuriate Islamic fundementalists. This is not wisdom. Nor is droppin bombs from 10,000 metres in the sky courageous.

2. Yes I am watching television as we speak. And yes, I am seeing Iraqis celebrate the removal of Saddams regime (which the US assisted in its rise to power). And if by some chance America manages to "find" some chemical weapons, well by golly, I'll be real glad someone took them off his hands. Hmm, wonder which stupid country assisted him with those weapons?

3. There is no proof or any credible source that states that Saddam had plans to arm terrorist groups with chemical weaponry.

4. Wonder Hitler comparison. Used alot recently. Too bad it is completely incorrect and just exposes you as some schmuch who just finished watching some CNN.
"One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. "Which road do I take?" she asked. "Where do you want to go?" was his response. "I don't know," Alice answered. "Then," said the cat, "it doesn't matter."

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2003, 05:06:06 PM »
4. uhhh... mccarthy is back? nice comment man. it shows your way of thinking.

















What organization, funding the anti-war protests, supports an ideology that has butchered over 100 million people and caused incalculable misery, suffering and devastation?
 

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« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2003, 05:12:20 PM »

What organization, funding the anti-war protests, supports an ideology that has butchered over 100 million people and caused incalculable misery, suffering and devastation?


by that rationale, you would also have to condemn christianity.
 

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« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2003, 05:15:22 PM »
It's amazing that when you are proved wrong, you just try and change the subject.
 

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2003, 05:16:40 PM »
Engel, do not attempt to insinuate all socialists support what Stalin did. You know what you just said is a calculated insult, and it had no other raison d'etre than to make everyone laugh at socialists
 

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2003, 05:17:18 PM »

I think Moby Dick is about the whale. The monster eating us up.

I also like Solznyetzin, and Jaroslav Hasek. And Vaclav Havel, perhaps the most insightful politician since Marcus Aurelius.

- moby dick is what we can't grasp. furthermore, the whale represents both life and death. ambiguity is one of the key features in Melville's (and his contemporaries') romances
- don't get me wrong, but i think cato is/was even more important than marcus aurelius.
 

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« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2003, 05:19:07 PM »
It's amazing that when you are proved wrong, you just try and change the subject.

you're usin the terms "right" and "wrong" way too often... dialectics... schizophrenia

p/s i do not change the subject. i just refrain from comin up with simple generalizations.
 

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2003, 05:19:34 PM »
- moby dick is what we can't grasp. furthermore, the whale represents both life and death. ambiguity is one of the key features in Melville's (and his contemporaries') romances
- don't get me wrong, but i think cato is/was even more important than marcus aurelius.

Note the word "since"-Marcus Aurelius lived long after Cato.
 

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2003, 05:24:39 PM »
- moby dick is what we can't grasp. furthermore, the whale represents both life and death. ambiguity is one of the key features in Melville's (and his contemporaries') romances
- don't get me wrong, but i think cato is/was even more important than marcus aurelius.

Note the word "since"-Marcus Aurelius lived long after Cato.

oops, my fault, sorry.
 

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Re:A very sad day for american history
« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2003, 05:29:50 PM »