Puffy paid Orlando Anderson to snatch a Death Row chain causing Pac to beat him?

[Black Excellence]

 

[whoisthis]

[Verse 1: Chino XLs]
You prayed for me and I came, how far you niggas wanna push me?
I'm leaving the crowds happy like OJ Simpson when he got his first white pussy
But I'm still annoyed, blowin' through your solenoid
Bringin' more blues to brothers than Jon Belushi and Dan Aykroyd
Governmently engineered like E.Bola for this rap garage sale
By this industry, I'm tryin' not to get fucked like 2Pac in jail
You can hate me, but await me like I'm Magic Johnson's death
In a box with Jordan's pops that ass'll never take another breath
Cause, I write the songs like Barry Manilow
I like my sugar brown like Hugh Grant, fuck D'Angelo

I also remember a line from Chino something like "Where you from L.A., Oakland or Hoboken" taking a shot at Pac.

But looking at this topic, I have to ask

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Puffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video.

I don't think that they were scared about Pac specifically, it was more of Death Row as a whole.

I think they were just smarter not to get caught up in it, whereas Death Row were fuelling it to make money - "New York, New York", "2Pac's Hit em up", "Suge's comments about Puffy on stage".

It's also been said from a number of accounts that Suge just enjoyed punking people who he viewed as his competition, whether he profited from it financially or just felt more powerful afterward when they backed down from him.  I remember Bustop in that MTV documentary said that Suge always wanted to have that kind of an image and "felt he had to ride," and I think some of the more recent interviews (maybe conducted by jmix or someone else) with some behind-the-scenes Death Row people said the same thing, and not so much Suge wanting Death Row to do that just because it sold more records.  Was it a byproduct?  Yes.  But not necessarily the main reason.

There was a reluctance to play a lot of West artists, but that's because a lot of West artists sucked. during the 90's there was a huge surge of mediocre rappers survived off of the West's "g-funk" sound and production

That sounds like half of today's rappers, just surviving off of club beats and catchy choruses.

it was the intro of a bad boy mixtape that came out in the summer of '96. even puffy knew that nigga was nothin' to be scared of.

I can't agree with that, when Puff's only replies were on some random intro of a mixtape that only circulated within New York, for the most part... not even on a retail release or at least something that would make its way out to Cali.  Everything else, he was being friendly -- from what he said when accepting awards to what he said in interviews to what adlibs he made on whichever project he was involved in.  I can respect the fact that he wanted to play it cool, but it's kind of pussy to only talk big on some little mixtape when you're not an underground act restricted to mixtapes.

[whoisthis]

I can't agree with that, when Puff's only replies were on some random intro of a mixtape that only circulated within New York, for the most part... not even on a retail release or at least something that would make its way out to Cali.  Everything else, he was being friendly -- from what he said when accepting awards to what he said in interviews to what adlibs he made on whichever project he was involved in.  I can respect the fact that he wanted to play it cool, but it's kind of pussy to only talk big on some little mixtape when you're not an underground act restricted to mixtapes.

I think that shows you the level of respect that Bad Boy had for the "beef." It was a one sided beef in reality.

[Black Excellence]

I can't agree with that, when Puff's only replies were on some random intro of a mixtape that only circulated within New York, for the most part... not even on a retail release or at least something that would make its way out to Cali.  Everything else, he was being friendly -- from what he said when accepting awards to what he said in interviews to what adlibs he made on whichever project he was involved in.  I can respect the fact that he wanted to play it cool, but it's kind of pussy to only talk big on some little mixtape when you're not an underground act restricted to mixtapes.

I think that shows you the level of respect that Bad Boy had for the "beef." It was a one sided beef in reality.

this.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

I can't agree with that, when Puff's only replies were on some random intro of a mixtape that only circulated within New York, for the most part... not even on a retail release or at least something that would make its way out to Cali.  Everything else, he was being friendly -- from what he said when accepting awards to what he said in interviews to what adlibs he made on whichever project he was involved in.  I can respect the fact that he wanted to play it cool, but it's kind of pussy to only talk big on some little mixtape when you're not an underground act restricted to mixtapes.

I think that shows you the level of respect that Bad Boy had for the "beef." It was a one sided beef in reality.

I would agree with you if nobody from Bad Boy ever said anything.  But that wasn't the case.  We have:

* Puff dissing Pac back on the mixtape intro we've been discussing
* Biggie and Lil Cease dissing Pac (but not saying his name) on an MTV interview where he said something about Pac getting shot, then being calm, then being a tough guy
* Puff and Biggie's responses in the VIBE to Pac's jailhouse interview

Lopsided beef?  Maybe.  But one-sided?  Definitely not.

[Black Excellence]

I can't agree with that, when Puff's only replies were on some random intro of a mixtape that only circulated within New York, for the most part... not even on a retail release or at least something that would make its way out to Cali.  Everything else, he was being friendly -- from what he said when accepting awards to what he said in interviews to what adlibs he made on whichever project he was involved in.  I can respect the fact that he wanted to play it cool, but it's kind of pussy to only talk big on some little mixtape when you're not an underground act restricted to mixtapes.

I think that shows you the level of respect that Bad Boy had for the "beef." It was a one sided beef in reality.

I would agree with you if nobody from Bad Boy ever said anything.  But that wasn't the case.  We have:

* Puff dissing Pac back on the mixtape intro we've been discussing
* Biggie and Lil Cease dissing Pac (but not saying his name) on an MTV interview where he said something about Pac getting shot, then being calm, then being a tough guy
* Puff and Biggie's responses in the VIBE to Pac's jailhouse interview

Lopsided beef?  Maybe.  But one-sided?  Definitely not.

 

[whoisthis]

I would agree with you if nobody from Bad Boy ever said anything.  But that wasn't the case.  We have:

* Puff dissing Pac back on the mixtape intro we've been discussing
* Biggie and Lil Cease dissing Pac (but not saying his name) on an MTV interview where he said something about Pac getting shot, then being calm, then being a tough guy
* Puff and Biggie's responses in the VIBE to Pac's jailhouse interview

Lopsided beef?  Maybe.  But one-sided?  Definitely not.

You're confusing Beef with Battle. Diddy and BIG didn't share the same feelings that Pac had towards them. It was a one-sided beef, not Battle. Bad Body did have responses for the disses, they just didn't put out diss record after diss record.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

You're confusing Beef with Battle. Diddy and BIG didn't share the same feelings that Pac had towards them. It was a one-sided beef, not Battle. Bad Body did have responses for the disses, they just didn't put out diss record after diss record.

Perhaps, but in that scenario, the two (beefing and battling) were practically overlapping.  But let's not pretend that Bad Boy was hoping to be friends with Death Row -- they weren't squashing shit, and they were contributing to the beef, just not on wax like you said.  Biggie calling into the radio station when Snoop, Daz and Kurupt were filming in NY wasn't some battle shit -- that was beef.  It was clear he didn't like them (doesn't matter if Pac was there or not), but he put it out on the radio, and that likely got them shot at.  Sounds more like beef than battling to me, particularly when you say or do something that puts their safety at risk.  Same thing with Puff putting money on the Death Row chains (again assuming that is in fact true).  It wasn't all that one-sided, it's just that there were more publicized stories about what Death Row was doing and saying.

[M Dogg™]

We think of Pac and all his disses now because we heard them. When Pac was alive the only diss anyone heard was Hit Em Up. It wasn't until after he death all that shit came out. People act like when Pac was alive, all we heard was Bad Boy disses. Pac had an idea of releasing 2 albums on the same day, see who sold more and then squash it.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

We think of Pac and all his disses now because we heard them. When Pac was alive the only diss anyone heard was Hit Em Up. It wasn't until after he death all that shit came out. People act like when Pac was alive, all we heard was Bad Boy disses. Pac had an idea of releasing 2 albums on the same day, see who sold more and then squash it.

Also a good point.  Hit 'Em Up was the only real diss track that came out before Pac died.  Then the Makaveli CD, which really only had one diss track, and two more with shots at people (Bomb First and the last verse of Toss It Up).  It's the bootlegged shit that ended up coming out much later that made people realize how hard Pac was going at everyone.  Also, a lot of the random footage and interviews weren't out all at once... they were scattered throughout the years in terms of when they were released.  So when we talk about it now, in 2014, we think of all of those things and subconsciously treat it like it was all out there in 1996-1997.

[whoisthis]

Perhaps, but in that scenario, the two (beefing and battling) were practically overlapping.  But let's not pretend that Bad Boy was hoping to be friends with Death Row -- they weren't squashing shit, and they were contributing to the beef, just not on wax like you said.  Biggie calling into the radio station when Snoop, Daz and Kurupt were filming in NY wasn't some battle shit -- that was beef.  It was clear he didn't like them (doesn't matter if Pac was there or not), but he put it out on the radio, and that likely got them shot at.  Sounds more like beef than battling to me, particularly when you say or do something that puts their safety at risk.  Same thing with Puff putting money on the Death Row chains (again assuming that is in fact true).  It wasn't all that one-sided, it's just that there were more publicized stories about what Death Row was doing and saying.

I don't think Bad Boy wanted to be Best Friends with Death Row, but Biggie had no issues with Snoop. Snoop obviously didn't feel like he had any beef with BIG or Puff. It was more Pac/Suge vs. Bad Boy than Death Row as a whole. At the time when the Dogg Pound was shot at, there was a lot of issues going on.

It wasn’t even going after New York. It wasn’t a diss record. It really wasn’t. “New York, New York” was a record that we made in dedication to New York. We really felt that New York created hip-hop. New York created battle rap and the whole ball of wax so what I did was a battle rap on this beat DJ Pooh did. That beat originally, DJ Pooh made it for Biggie Smalls for a St. Ides commercial.

It really got blown out of proportion through the media. It also got blew out of proportion by a lot of people from New York because we wasn’t dissing New York. Before we were knocking down buildings, Do you remember the beginning part of the video when we were in New York in the snow and having fun? That’s the original video. We wanted Nas and everybody from New York to be in the video. It was a dedication to New York but then, we got shot at it while we were shooting it.

New York felt we were disrespecting them. [Laughs] The New Yorkers wasn’t going for it. They was like “Oh, no! You ain’t gonna shoot this shit out here dissing us.” They shot at us the next day so I mean, after they shot at us. We went back home and Snoop was like, “Man, fuck that!” Then we shot the other part of the video where we started kicking everything the fuck over. That’s why we started kicking things over because we got shot at it. [Laughs]

http://www.2dopeboyz.com/2013/11/21/tha-dogg-pound-new-york-new-york-not-a-diss/

There was hurt feelings all around.

When I call the beef one-sided, I say that because it was obvious where the aggression was coming from, Pac and Suge. Diddy, BIG etc. defended themselves, sure, but I they weren't fully invested like Pac was. That's why all you got was a Mixtape diss.

[V2DHeart]

Puffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video.

I call bullshit.

 

How do we know for sure that this was recorded/released while 'Pac was still alive?
As far as I remember, not one person said 'Pac's name (in a disrespectful way) on a song while he was alive.

it did. it was the intro of a bad boy mixtape that came out in the summer of '96. even puffy knew that nigga was nothin' to be scared of.

He clearly wasn't at all scared of being called the "B" word

[Mr. Theo]

Puffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video.

I call bullshit.

 

How do we know for sure that this was recorded/released while 'Pac was still alive?
As far as I remember, not one person said 'Pac's name (in a disrespectful way) on a song while he was alive.

it did. it was the intro of a bad boy mixtape that came out in the summer of '96. even puffy knew that nigga was nothin' to be scared of.

He clearly wasn't at all scared of being called the "B" word

They drop Pac's name in "Who Shot Ya"? Noooooooooooooooooo

Bad Boy fuckin cowards..

[Jack Trippa 3z company ho]

Puffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video.

I call bullshit.

 

I'm well aware of this. You young cats gotta understand that 18 years ago, Internet etc was NOTHING like it is today. No one outside of NY heard that, it stayed local so Puff felt ok about it.

They never said his nor DR's name in a negative light on any major release. They were shook.

Puff didn't hire Orlando anderson to snatch the chain so they could rock it in a video. Never would have happened.