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Do black americans support this war?
« on: March 21, 2003, 06:42:53 PM »
Im asking this because what ive seen in tv , read and heard in hiphop songs black people in america are treated badly like they are second class citizens in their own country if this is true (most likely it is) plus a lot of them are also muslim. Why would they support a war against another country when their own government treats them like shit in their own country?
 

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Re:Do black americans support this war?
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2003, 06:48:09 PM »
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Re:Do black americans support this war?
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2003, 06:50:29 PM »
second class citizens!!!!  ::) ....oh god....you one of those whinny always bitching about things and blaming all of your problems on the color of your skin right...my boss is black...is he second class..hell no
 

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Re:Do black americans support this war?
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2003, 06:56:06 PM »
second class citizens!!!!  ::) ....oh god....you one of those whinny always bitching about things and blaming all of your problems on the color of your skin right...my boss is black...is he second class..hell no

I think he meant PEOPLE say, not him himself.
 

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Re:Do black americans support this war?
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2003, 11:29:19 PM »
Im asking this because what ive seen in tv , read and heard in hiphop songs black people in america are treated badly like they are second class citizens in their own country if this is true (most likely it is) plus a lot of them are also muslim. Why would they support a war against another country when their own government treats them like shit in their own country?


ok first of all......that is NOT the case in america anymore.....maybe in the 60's and the 70's but for the most part modern black people in america have it just as easy/bad as any citizen here
rappers only bitch like that , becuase of white guilt in america...and becuase it's tolorated, and it's human instinct to get someone to feel sorry for you for what happened to your great great great relatives, like jews who dwell on the holocuast but who only went through it through text books and Schindler's List.......me myself am a mexican and i'd say blacks have more opportunity and things handed to them than me.


i think most blacks are for it than against from what i've see and heard
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Re:Do black americans support this war?
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2003, 11:34:34 PM »
oh yeah , most blacks in this country are

1. Baptist
2. episcapalian
3. Luthren
4. non denominational
5. undecided

first 4 are all christian groups


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Re:Do black americans support this war?
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2003, 11:37:12 PM »
And Jake spells it out.

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Re:Do black americans support this war?
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2003, 09:49:09 PM »
Actually, the origional post is correct.  Many black people in America are Muslims.  Also, Black people have experienced America's oppression since the slave trade.  So they are more critical and don't easily follow the propaganda machine.
 

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Re:Do black americans support this war?
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2003, 01:02:11 AM »
Im asking this because what ive seen in tv , read and heard in hiphop songs black people in america are treated badly like they are second class citizens in their own country if this is true (most likely it is) plus a lot of them are also muslim. Why would they support a war against another country when their own government treats them like shit in their own country?


ok first of all......that is NOT the case in america anymore.....maybe in the 60's and the 70's but for the most part modern black people in america have it just as easy/bad as any citizen here
rappers only bitch like that , becuase of white guilt in america...and becuase it's tolorated, and it's human instinct to get someone to feel sorry for you for what happened to your great great great relatives, like jews who dwell on the holocuast but who only went through it through text books and Schindler's List.......me myself am a mexican and i'd say blacks have more opportunity and things handed to them than me.


i think most blacks are for it than against from what i've see and heard

everybody knows that its easier for a white man to get a job compared to a black man with the same level of education....  black people still gets more "pull-overs" by the police compared to white people...

only a fool can ignore obvious facts

the racism is still big in usa
 

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Re:Do black americans support this war?
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2003, 09:13:33 AM »
Since I'm not an African American, i think many of you have things a little jumbled up. 1. most, not many African Americans in the US are Christians (or at least follow Christian ethics). according to polls. 2. King Mac i'm bewildered at your statement, but i guess knowledge comes to those slower than others. and 3 most african americans are against this war and many actions of the us government, look at some of those famous african americans and what they have to say about this whole ordeal. I think this article will answer bow down's question easily without the lack of understanding i see being replied.



Speaking Out: Black Americans Talk about the War
 
When the Pope, the Dixie Chicks, and Kelly Rowland are against you, then it's really time to go, Mr. Bush!
 

Compiled by Evette Porter
 
We already knew that despite strong support for the war in Iraq from mainstream America, many African Americans just as strongly oppose President Bush's policies there. Two recent polls highlight the split. In a Pew Research poll, only 44% of African Americans said they favored military action against Iraq, compared to 67% of Hispanics and 73% of whites. And those numbers are up from an Atlanta-Journal/Zogby poll conducted in February, when only 23% of blacks said they strongly or somewhat supported a war against Iraq, while 64% described themselves as strongly or somewhat opposed to war. One reason often cited for the disparity is that blacks make up a disproportionate share of the military — 22% of the soldiers on active duty — and therefore would bear the brunt of combat in Iraq.
Already African American soldiers have been among the US casualties in Iraq, and the only female prisoner of war captured by Iraqi forces so far is a black supply specialist named Shoshana Johnson, a 30-year-old single mother. In an incident that has proven to be unsettling for the US military, Sergeant Asan Akbar, a black soldier who converted to Islam, is accused of killing at least one of his comrades and injuring 15 more when he threw grenades into the tents of fellow soldiers at a command center in Kuwait.

In the US, black opposition to the war has come most vocally from the usual suspects -Jesse Jackson, Danny Glover and Al Sharpton. But they have been joined by a surprising number of celebrities, sports figures and activists, some of whom have chosen to publicly express their antiwar sentiments while making clear that they support the troops fighting overseas. It's a political tightrope that many in the hip hop generation are just learning to negotiate. Here's a look at what a few well-known black celebrities and political leaders have to say about the U.S. invasion of Iraq:

Foxy Brown
The Brooklyn-born rap artist says the war puts her in an apocalyptic mood:
"It's inevitable. I feel we're in our last days. Saddam Hussein, Osama...before we can finish one war, we're going into another...Everything that's going on is written in the Bible — not in those words — but everything is written. And it clearly says that these are the last days."

Cam'ron
The hip hop artist told MTV that the war has affected the release of his new album:
"We're not [going] to stop doing what we do. I'm taking care of my daily schedule. I don't think [Iraq] is going to attack back. They're more long-term enemies. Everybody is stressing right now, but I think you have to be worried in the future. I think the next few weeks may be the safest, so it's regular business for us."

P Diddy
The rap mogul offers his blessing:
"Our prayers go out to everyone over there. Come home safely."

Congressman Harold Ford
The Tennessee Democrat was one of the few members of the Congressional Black Caucus to support Bush's war resolution:
"Our thoughts and prayers are with the troops on this conflict. They are the very best the country has to offer and the nation is behind them and our commander in chief."

Reverend Jesse Jackson
The longtime civil rights activist says we need to support the troops by bringing them home:
"An unnecessary war has begun, the United Nations has been undercut, the future of our children has been clouded by this new cycle of violence. We offer a prayer for the safety of our young men and women in the military. May they return home safely, and soon."

Michael Jordan
The NBA star has long been criticized for his failure to be politically active. His thoughts on the war, expressed during a postgame interview on ESPN, are ambivalent:
"Unfortunately we're all going to be involved in this in some way. I have a brother in Afghanistan. I support what we do."

Musiq
The R&B singer boils it down to religion:
"God is going to take care of everything. That's pretty much all that I fear, is God. You can't spend your life being afraid about something. If it's out of your power, then it's out of your power and you're going to have to deal with whatever comes. I just pray that people will be able to endure it, including myself."

Kelly Rowland
The Destiny's Child member, now touring in support of her solo album, told MTV that the war has got her thinking:
"It's really hard for me to watch the news now because there are so many things going on. I really can't speak on how I feel, because I'm looked to as a role model...But I can say that it's time for young people to step up to the plate. It's time for us to start voting. It's time for us to be more involved..."

Russell Simmons
A member of Musicians United to Win Without War, Simmons says he's hoping to get more hip hop artists involved in the antiwar movement. His message is to the troops overseas:
"They're playing you like a bunch of suckers right now. I hate to sound mean, but they're sending you to war. Blacks and browns are gonna die on the frontline...We're fighting and we're not protecting ourselves. While we're at home, we should vote. We should exert our power. We should not be just moved around like sheep. Speak up. It's alright to speak up."

Will Smith
The actor and rapper skipped this year's Oscars ceremony because of the war, as his publicist explained:
"He felt uncomfortable in attending and respectfully asked to be excused. There's no agenda, there's no speeches. He just felt uncomfortable in attending."

Congresswoman Maxine Waters
The Democrat from South Central LA has long been an outspoken critic of the Bush Administration's foreign policy. Here she is, speaking just before the US invasion:
"How did we get to the point where our president is issuing an ultimatum to Saddam and his sons to leave his country in 48 hours? How did we get to the point where our diplomatic efforts have been abandoned? How did we get to the point where 300,000 are deployed and waiting for the word to attack? How did we get to the point where we lose our allies?"
 
 
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Re:Do black americans support this war?
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2003, 10:21:46 AM »
if i was american id be more worried about my health and education system when 80billion is being used to fight an unnecessary war. Wouldnt you prefer a better health system. At the end of the day your more likely to die on a trolley in a hostpital corridor than a terrorist attack.
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Re:Do black americans support this war?
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2003, 07:13:19 PM »
if i was american id be more worried about my health and education system when 80billion is being used to fight an unnecessary war. Wouldnt you prefer a better health system. At the end of the day your more likely to die on a trolley in a hostpital corridor than a terrorist attack.

No, actually the way the government see's it.  Once we start exploiting Iraq and usurping their oil wealth, the economy will go up, and in a round about way, we will have more money for the school system.

But I don't think the US will win this war.
 

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Re:Do black americans support this war?
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2003, 07:45:31 PM »
if i was american id be more worried about my health and education system when 80billion is being used to fight an unnecessary war. Wouldnt you prefer a better health system. At the end of the day your more likely to die on a trolley in a hostpital corridor than a terrorist attack.


But I don't think the US will win this war.

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Re:Do black americans support this war?
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2003, 11:30:00 PM »
It's this simple. I know people that come from different countries, and they say that America has some of the most racist underlinings they have ever seen. Everything is about race, it's a topic of discussion, and in most the world it's different. Now I'm not from most the world, I'm from the U.S., so I take their word for it, as they are from the rest of the world.

As for support of the war, Blacks tent to be more librial with politics, so therefore no war would be their main agenda. With Hispanics, it's the opposite, as they tend to be more conserative with politics, so therefore they would be in support. Whites and Asians are about even, more whites as conservatives though. In California though, most Hispanics are against the war, mainly because of Republican agenda. A study was done, and they placed Republican and Democrat agenda side by side, and told Hispanics to pick. It was about even, Democrat with a slight edge. But once given names, Hispanics choice the Democrat quickly. In the rest of the nation Hispanics support Republicans, like in Florida and the Cubans.

Blacks still don't support the war. Not because of oppression, and don't get me started on how that's not over, but because of political believes and stands. Peace