Author Topic: Black Panthers, COINTELPRO, & The Murder Of 2pac - John Potash Interview Part 1  (Read 886 times)

V2DHeart

This nigga John Potash is a bitch...

He sounds paranoid and retarded talking about the government out to get Tupac for his "radical leftist politics"...yeah, on a handful of records, Pac has radical politics...but in 1996 most of his songs are about HUSTLING and GETTIN MONEY and BALLIN...ain't no government going to be mad at somebody for those kinds of lyrics.

You are right... No wait, he had vice presidents attack him, hired COINTELPRO try to kill him (remember when he fired at 2 off duty cops? ~ He was really fighting for his life, but it got swept under the rug) framed for rape, and was surveillanced by the FBI on a DAILY basis. But you're right though  ;D

Try to dig deep into any issues like this, and you'll be watched, so he has every right to be paranoid. He's coming with clear logic from valid evidence and facts (for those able enough to research, and follow it through) and erasing the official "gang shooting" theory that Orlando Anderson was framed for
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abusive

I had a post about the murder of 2Pac detailing similar things, but it was too far out there for some to get their head around.

http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=309799.msg3000759#msg3000759

2Pac told you in his music that "50 enemies were plotting his death" IE; the 50 states, the United States of America. There's hidden signs throughout the mans music and interviews. What done him in, is the same entity that done MJ in too. He told about it in his last phone call about how people bigger than the government may frame him, or say he overdosed on drugs.

People don't want their illusions shattered, so will immediately throw this stuff away
I'm confident as a researcher on the subject of roughly twenty years that most of your post in that thread is bs. You don't have a solid foundation and you are doing harm by spreading disinfo. You have theories mixed in with some factual info but most of it is irrelevant to what's being discussed. Don't try to connect yourself or your post to me or my research.
 

V2DHeart

I had a post about the murder of 2Pac detailing similar things, but it was too far out there for some to get their head around.

http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=309799.msg3000759#msg3000759

2Pac told you in his music that "50 enemies were plotting his death" IE; the 50 states, the United States of America. There's hidden signs throughout the mans music and interviews. What done him in, is the same entity that done MJ in too. He told about it in his last phone call about how people bigger than the government may frame him, or say he overdosed on drugs.

People don't want their illusions shattered, so will immediately throw this stuff away
I'm confident as a researcher on the subject of roughly twenty years that most of your post in that thread is bs. You don't have a solid foundation and you are doing harm by spreading disinfo. You have theories mixed in with some factual info but most of it is irrelevant to what's being discussed. Don't try to connect yourself or your post to me or my research.

You and "your" research? I stated that it detailed similar things. The basis is the same in any respect, which is that the man was assassinated. I am not attempting to connect myself or my post to your post, because you have already stated that 2Pac didn't know what he was talking about in regards to secret societies, and didn't know, whereas I disagree 100%. He and his family knew all too well about The Knights Templar, illuminati (as mentioned by name on one of his last songs when it was widely unknown) the current committee of 300 and how the council on foreign relations operate. I think people seriously under-estimate how switched on he really was.

I would be interested in knowing what research you have done in your 20 years. That's a long time, and asking you previously for something that I could sink my teeth into out of general interest I would have expected something a little more than just youtube links. I'm not being condescending or trying to be insulting, I would just like to see more of a personal take on something. I'm sure you can provide books you have read, your thoughts, and key points in them, as well as some of your own documentation you may have written or compiled. Like the 30+ document I have of the Royal Family's portfolio and property around the globe, or list of contaminated foods, and other things that have sparked my interest and consumed my time into researching. I can type this stuff in myself. I want to hear "your" take, "your" thoughts on your experience and what you have learnt along the way.
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I had a post about the murder of 2Pac detailing similar things, but it was too far out there for some to get their head around.

http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=309799.msg3000759#msg3000759

2Pac told you in his music that "50 enemies were plotting his death" IE; the 50 states, the United States of America. There's hidden signs throughout the mans music and interviews. What done him in, is the same entity that done MJ in too. He told about it in his last phone call about how people bigger than the government may frame him, or say he overdosed on drugs.

People don't want their illusions shattered, so will immediately throw this stuff away
I'm confident as a researcher on the subject of roughly twenty years that most of your post in that thread is bs. You don't have a solid foundation and you are doing harm by spreading disinfo. You have theories mixed in with some factual info but most of it is irrelevant to what's being discussed. Don't try to connect yourself or your post to me or my research.

You and "your" research? I stated that it detailed similar things. The basis is the same in any respect, which is that the man was assassinated. I am not attempting to connect myself or my post to your post, because you have already stated that 2Pac didn't know what he was talking about in regards to secret societies, and didn't know, whereas I disagree 100%. He and his family knew all too well about The Knights Templar, illuminati (as mentioned by name on one of his last songs when it was widely unknown) the current committee of 300 and how the council on foreign relations operate. I think people seriously under-estimate how switched on he really was.

I would be interested in knowing what research you have done in your 20 years. That's a long time, and asking you previously for something that I could sink my teeth into out of general interest I would have expected something a little more than just youtube links. I'm not being condescending or trying to be insulting, I would just like to see more of a personal take on something. I'm sure you can provide books you have read, your thoughts, and key points in them, as well as some of your own documentation you may have written or compiled. Like the 30+ document I have of the Royal Family's portfolio and property around the globe, or list of contaminated foods, and other things that have sparked my interest and consumed my time into researching. I can type this stuff in myself. I want to hear "your" take, "your" thoughts on your experience and what you have learnt along the way.

I didn't say he didn't know about the Illumaniti I said he didn't believe in them which was based in his own words. Therefore what you were saying about him fighting against them was and still is bs just as the other posters noted.


Go to the 5:36 mark he denies the Illuminati even exist.
Your entire premise has no factual basis based off of that audio above. That was one of his last interviews so it's fair to say that he died with that belief.

Of course you disagree with what he said out of his own mouth. That's why I addressed you so any one reading can know that what you "believe" and what I know are two different things. The Committee of 300 book by John Colman came out in August of '97 after Pac died.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Conspirators-Hierarchy-Committee-300/dp/0963401947
Number one that book is the origin of that theory and number two the book doesn't even prove that there is a Committee of 300 in the first place. So how could Pac know and even if he did, so what it's not a proven fact. I actually bought and read the horrible book when it came out.

I did provide some information before, audio, video, links and articles. That's more than what you provided and no one mocked what I posted. Not just youtube links but even if I had that wouldn't discount the information if it was verifiable. Try again!

Prove 50 enemies meant 50 states, prove he knew about the knights templar, prove he knew about the committee of 300.
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V2DHeart

He didn't deny they existed. Listen to the full interview. He said he saw it as a distraction, something that keeps people insecure, down and trapped. And in turn, he played down their power and influence by mocking the "idea" of them claiming that all they are is about putting you down, because it's all about 'money' (as seen by the masonic symbols all over the dollar, and the all seeing eye). Simply turn your back on them and kill it. Why else would you label an album in code of " kill the illuminati".  It reminds me of this scene below:



Vibe no longer has that full interview anymore. "woke up with 50 enemies plotting my death" - He was metaphorically talking about how his 50 enemies were the 50 states, of America. Of course, it's impossible to prove, much like JFK's speech on secret societies, but people, some people, get it because it's obvious. With 2Pac's character and and family history I think it's a little naive to think that he was really talking about 50 dudes sitting outside his house with balaclavas on. "They putting hits out on politicians, even cops, I aint lyin'". He says it all on record. One in particular - "I know y'all watchin, I know y'all got me in the scopes, Y'all got me under surveillance huh?". This is actually confirmed by FBI papers that 2Pac was under surveillance when he left jail. This is out of the "few" documents / papers released. It's also backed up by the work Josh done too.

The first committee of 300 book wasn't released in 1997? Dr Coleman brought out a book years before that. What you read would have been a 5th or 6th edition. In spite of that, there were plenty of books in the 80's about secret societies. This is nothing new. Afeni, Geronimo Pratt and others knew, and trust me 2Pac was certainly having knowledge drilled into him from a very early age.

His album is called "All EyeZ on me", the title track he tells you about being watched, and even puts on the all seeing eye of providence on each disc. These are all things that are visible and audible. I agree, that some things may be down to interpretation where it becomes "opinion" only, but there are things there, which cannot be denied. 2Pac telling you he's being watched, the FBI papers about surveillance on him, his history and family roots. It is of my opinion only, that it is more than just coincidental that he puts these symbolic images and titles on and around his music
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Go away dog.
 

V2DHeart

Go away dog.

Why? You wanted facts. I'm giving you them.
2Pac read Wilmshurst's very old book about masonic order and initiations (But I should note, that there is a 1998 edition published by the Society of Metaphysicians, but this should not be confused with the first edition which was published in the 1920's), 1984 by George Orwell (this book needs no introduction), Haich's book of the priesthood of ancient Egypt, topics of spiritual destiny and world affairs, a lot of Alice Bailey's books which touch upon secret societies briefly, and on Prince Hall. If you don't know who he is, I suggest you look him up. I believe people truly underestimate his level of knowledge or intuitiveness as evident with this thread. Even without all of those books, which are books that talk about orwellian states & oligarchy, then being around senior black revolutionary socialist organization members who had fought against the system all of his young life and having links to El-Shabazz family would certainly do it.

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Pac aint know what he was talking about at the end of the day

This is where I disagree. The JDL and FBI obviously disagree too otherwise he would not have been surveillanced daily, or sent death threats for extortion. You're switched on a lot, on other topics, what makes this one so hard to consider?
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Go to the 5:36 mark he denies the Illuminati even exist.
Your entire premise has no factual basis based off of that audio above. That was one of his last interviews so it's fair to say that he died with that belief.

And go change your sig already. Once you reply to a thread more than once it's damn near impossible to load the page with all of the videos in your sig.
 

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Thanks jmix will listen when I can.

Y'all not believing 2pac would be targeted are incredibly naive. His mother was a Panther, jailed for terrorism. He was reaching a height of popularity and was becoming very powerful and influential, no one was bigger than him at his peak. They don't want someone of his stature becoming a true leader to the people. He was a huge threat that they could no longer control.
 

V2DHeart

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https://www.youtube.com/v/xAKfS5lMm68
Go to the 5:36 mark he denies the Illuminati even exist.
Your entire premise has no factual basis based off of that audio above. That was one of his last interviews so it's fair to say that he died with that belief.

And go change your sig already. Once you reply to a thread more than once it's damn near impossible to load the page with all of the videos in your sig.

He doesn't deny their existence. listen to it again, the whole thing! Prepositions usually come before a noun, and he uses the present continuous tense for illuminati in that interview. I'll let you see if you can find it

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Y'all not believing 2pac would be targeted are incredibly naive. His mother was a Panther, jailed for terrorism. He was reaching a height of popularity and was becoming very powerful and influential, no one was bigger than him at his peak. They don't want someone of his stature becoming a true leader to the people. He was a huge threat that they could no longer control.

COINTELPRO documents exist for 2Pac, much like they did for the Black Panther Party, and by sales 2Pac actually had a way bigger audience. FBI had him surveillanced daily. If they were able to tap his phone, monitor his movements and know his associations (confirmed through documents) then it's not too much of a stretch of the imagination to suggest that they may have had the studio tapped or had some method to know what the content of those songs were since he spent a large amount of his time in the studio. That would have been a "spys" dream to get to know what was spoken about in there. But this is just opinion and guesses. Domestic spying however is and was in the 90's more than just using a set of binoculars.
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If the goverment or FBI wanted Pac dead..they would have killed him way before.

Pac was added to beef and gang shit..That took his life.

Goverment don't care about rap musicians..

If they cared..not only Pac..but Cube,Dre,Eazy-E,Ren,Ice-T,Kam,Chuck D would be all dead.


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V2DHeart

If they didn't care, government officials wouldn't have stopped their Time Warner campaign contributions or have targeting 2Pac directly, nor would the FBI have surveillanced him daily upon release from jail.

Killed him way before what? The 2 attempts that were already made on his life? or when he was framed and put in jail for almost a year? I think his body of work creates the illusion that he was around a lot longer than he really was. He was only out of jail for 9 months and in that time he was encircled by large groups of people either stuck in a recording studio or on a film set. How long do you think assassinations take to effectively plan?
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jmix

2pac was only active in the mainstream rap game for maybe 4 years?
 

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Thanks jmix will listen when I can.

Y'all not believing 2pac would be targeted are incredibly naive. His mother was a Panther, jailed for terrorism. He was reaching a height of popularity and was becoming very powerful and influential, no one was bigger than him at his peak. They don't want someone of his stature becoming a true leader to the people. He was a huge threat that they could no longer control.

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If the goverment or FBI wanted Pac dead..they would have killed him way before.

Pac was added to beef and gang shit..That took his life.

Goverment don't care about rap musicians..

If they cared..not only Pac..but Cube,Dre,Eazy-E,Ren,Ice-T,Kam,Chuck D would be all dead.

With the exception of Cube Dre n Eazy those other cats didnt sell enough or have enough influence so was no reason to kill them. Dre n Eazy wasnt even on that political shit like that so cross them off. Only one was Cube who I believe was  threatened behind scenes to change up his music. He went from talkin bout killing devils and bein militant to Are we there yet? and Ride Along.
Sometimes I need reminders why I bother to rap
Then I think back to cats who only father is rap
I dead beats, but you niggas is Lou
Im Uncle Phil gotta give em somethin real
cause If I dont who will