Author Topic: Was Tha Realest Laying Down Vocals On 2pac Releases? & Jewell Not Scared Of Suge  (Read 2401 times)

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He put other peoples vocals onto his own records. Not him personally, but others who refused to work with him
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2 that come to mind were Danny Boy, Michel'le. Danny Boy's vocals for Stand Strong were taken from another song, and that's from him personally. He didn't like Tha Realest. Others who wouldn't work with him but who never had tracks with him were Treach, K-Ci and a couple of the Outlawz. EDI was the only one to give him the time of day, and of course the new breed
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Rick Clifford says treach requested that he act as tupac on the end of that song on chronic 2k
 

DeeezNuuuts83

Rick Clifford says treach requested that he act as tupac on the end of that song on chronic 2k
Oh the "West Side, East Side, West Side in this mothafucka right here" part?
 

MOBNigga06

Rick Clifford says treach requested that he act as tupac on the end of that song on chronic 2k

Fat Joe and the Terror Squad requested that Tha Realest act like Tupac on the outro of one of their songs. It's a dope song, ending with Releast saying alot of Pac-esque shit.
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agree with most of what you said until the last part... there is no evidence that there has ever been any realest vocals on any retail pac song besides his adlibs from life goes on and that unreleased troublesome mix of him doing the same thing that could exist in full..... and i dont think amaru would have let that slide at the time...
Darryl Harper already said he knew for a fact that it had been done, and he could recognize it when he listens to them side-by-side, meaning the original versions (whether they're the ones that he has or the ones that leaked to the public, which likely don't have Realest on them since the majority of them hit the scene in 1997 before Realest was even recording as Realest and rapping with that style) to the remixed retail releases.

The FIRST time it was suggested that Realest may have been adding vocals was on some older website (I think it was freetupac.com or something like that, whichever one was affiliated with hitemup.com/streethop.com), and Ballad of a Dead Souljah was the first song named.  I'm not saying that it's proof, but it's not a new theory, and yeah, there are some adlibs toward the end of the song that do kind of sound like Realest.

Amaru wouldn't KNOWINGLY let it slide, but it's not as if it couldn't have been slipped in under their noses, since they probably just get the finished product and either approve it or send it back, and it's not like Pac's mom is listening to each millisecond of audio, listening for imperfections (or impersonators).  This is why you have some songs that had Death Row references taken out, coincidentally all remixed by Johnny J (as I doubt Amaru would go out of their way to remove those references only for certain songs, which is what Johnny J claimed but likely wasn't true), while other songs on the same project kept the Death Row references intact (i.e. All Out, Until the End of Time).  So obviously you didn't have Amaru heads going through the songs and going, "Wait a minute, what words did they take out from that song?"

if the realest was recording over pac tracks, then they havent leaked yet... but besides him doing clean edits for some pac songs i dont seen any reason for him to be needed on a track... unless he was a guest artist....
Unfortunately I believe that this did happen.  Look at the lyrics for They Wanna Be Like Us... it sounds too much like Pac that it's ridiculous.  Even the content was pretty much about Pac's own life like he wrote it.

this post is noteworthy. You pretty much summed up my thoughts with this. Kudos.. maybe i didnt read it but whats your take on you can be touched?
 

DeeezNuuuts83

maybe i didnt read it but whats your take on you can be touched?
That stuff never crossed my mind.  I've always thought it was Pac, and after listening to it again, I still do think it's Pac on the U Can Be Touched OG.  I kind of get why you'd think it might be Realest, but even he isn't THAT good at mimicking Pac's voice.  On his own tracks, you can hear the similarities, but you'll never mistake the two.  And on the Pac tracks he was known to have done some vocals for -- particularly the radio edit of Life Goes On and the "Troublesome, homie" intro line to the Unconditional Love video -- it's totally obvious that it's the Realest to the point where no Pac fan ever really wondered if it was Pac when they first heard it.

Hypothetically speaking, if it really is the Realest on U Can Be Touched OG, then his adlib work from those songs I just mentioned would've been far superior to what ended up being recorded.  Or they could've had Realest re-record the entire chorus rather than for them to just slip in a couple words here and there (i.e. "homie" instead of "nigga"), or at least take the original Pac vocal layer but without the cuss words and with the volume lowered so it's like a second vocal layer and have the Realest re-record the original chorus and have that be the main vocal layer and put them together to make it hopefully sound more organic and natural.  But no, he's not THAT good.

Obviously the U Can Be Touched OG, whether it's Pac or the Realest or Kasinova or Dave Chappelle, does lack Pac's usual energy.  But the more I thought about it over the past ten minutes or so, it's like the energy of a Pac song straight off of the retail album being far more intense than that of its radio/video counterpart with alternate lyrics... i.e. 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted, I Ain't Mad at Cha, Hit 'Em Up and To Live & Die in L.A.  Even compare Ambitionz az a Ridah to Ambitionz az a Fighta.  My girlfriend doesn't really listen to hip-hop (though oddly she enjoys battle rap and has gone with me to an event in LA a few years ago), but her best friend is really into it.  We were driving around, and her best friend randomly started singing the intro to Ambitionz az a Ridah (even though nothing was even playing in my car since we were talking about lunch plans), then I played her Ambitionz az a Fighta since it was on my iPhone, and she laughed at it and didn't think was Pac, perhaps for similar reasons to why you might think it's the Realest on U Can Be Touched OG.
 

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Whoever thinks Tha Realest is rapping on "U Can Be Touched OG" is either completely deaf or needs to visit ear doctor immediately.

First of all, Tha Realest DID tried to sound like 2Pac on Death Row, but the tone of his voice was very different from 'Pac - even back then when he tried his best to do it. They way he pronounces words plus his natural Texas accent makes it hard for him to mimick Tupac. For God's sake, just listen to songs he recorded on Death Row like "Easy To Be A Soldier When There Ain't No War" - He TRIES to sound like 'Pac the way he raps etc. but his VOICE don't sound NOTHING like 'Pacs voice!

Second of all - don't think your going to get a direct response from Tha Realest on this topic, even if you'll manage to get an interview with him. When it comes to 'Pac - he never gives you a clear-cut answer, weather it is about their supposed meeting in 1996 or him finishing up unfinished 'Pac tracks. Here's what Tha Realest himself had to said about that on-going rumor years ago:

"I never finished his music. It was discussed but it never happened. It sounds good, but I never finished up none of his stuff" - Tha Realest (XXL Magazine, August 2005)

So you see, even tho he DID record clean versions of tracks like "Life Goes On" and "Troublesome 99" (that's how it was advertised back in the day), he still stated otherwise for whatever reason.

But point blank is - if he re-recorded 'Pac tracks as "2Pac", they are still laying around in the Death Row vault (other than "Chronic 2000" song with Treach and VK, where it's clearly Realest rapping as 'Pac at the end). My biggest suspect in this topic is that "They Wanna Be Like Us" track, cause his verse is written clearly from 'Pacs perspective. But again - he did that on certain occasions:

"Now you actin' like and a nigga you and Snoop are tight
You wasn't there when he was fightin' for his life
That shit ain't right, it was me, best believe
When I see your ass I'm takin' flight"
- Fuck Dre

"U Can Be Touched OG" is strictly 'Pac tho, even if he didn't rapped his verse to the best to his ability. We don't know about the origins of this track and this studio session. Maybe he was tired, maybe he was exhausted from his previous work done that day/night - 'Pac was a workaholic, but don't forget he was also human and even him could had a worst time in the studio...

Why they didn't use his verse in the retail version? Maybe the DAT tape was destored and Pac's acapella could not be used for a different beat? Who knows... it's Amaru. Just because they cut his verse from a track dosen't mean it wasen't him people. Remember how they sliced "Ghetto Gospel"? Or how they did "Runnin" cutting one verse and paste the other one? Plus, don't forget what they did on that whole "Loyal 2 The Game" album making 'Pac say "G-Unit in the house" and all that other bullshit... As far as I'm concerned - this ain't no proof for nothing when Amaru is involved.

It ain't Tha Realest on "U Can Be Touched OG" - that's a FACT and until you won't bring me acapella's of every adlibs from this track for me to listen to and prove otherwise, this conspiracy theory ends right here.
 

MOBNigga06

Some very interesting observations in the last few posts in this thread.

Here's my latest take on the matter:

1. Very few released Tupac songs have vocals from Tha Realest on them. It might be the case that the clean edits are the only Pac tracks with his voice on them.

2. Darryl Harper is simply confused, mixing up what he saw with what actually was released. Probably, he saw Tha Realest record some verses "as Tupac" and heard the conversations about releasing these tracks. This was probably so disgusting to Big D that the memory stuck with him and he was eager to get it off his chest and tell Jmix.

3. Perhaps "They Wanna Be Like Us" and "Fuck Dre" reflect aborted efforts for Tha Realest to record songs "as Tupac." Maybe these two songs are what Darryl Harper is remembering. There might have been a plan to release these as Tupac songs, but the difference between Tupac's and Tha Realest's voices is too obvious, so the people at DR simply decided to release these as Realest tracks.
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Hey J-Mix, ask Kurt Kobane this same question. He can name songs Realest re-recorded of 2Pac's. ;)
 

jmix

Hey J-Mix, ask Kurt Kobane this same question. He can name songs Realest re-recorded of 2Pac's. ;)

already on that, homie.
 

Jimmy H.

I never saw "Fuck Dre" as an attempt for Realest to impersonate Pac. I think that line about "it was me" is being misread. What he's saying is if you did me like you did Snoop, I would whoop your ass for it.
 

Sccit

I never saw "Fuck Dre" as an attempt for Realest to impersonate Pac. I think that line about "it was me" is being misread. What he's saying is if you did me like you did Snoop, I would whoop your ass for it.


yea, I think he mighta even said "if it was me"

jmix

JMix, you always come correct with your interviews.

Have you ever thought about doing a book or something on Death Row?  With all the great information that you have in these interviews, you could probably pen a really compelling book.

yes i have. the "off the record" but still on tape shit is crazy. wanna ghost write it? lol