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Quote from: abusive on May 20, 2014, 01:11:42 PMQuote from: Cali_State_Of_Mind on May 19, 2014, 12:29:28 PMQuote from: abusive on May 19, 2014, 11:57:50 AMI don't really care about the direction this topic has taken but...... 50 did snitch when he told the feds to read his lyrics. You may want to call it cooperating or whatever but it's not something that can be co-signed by the streets.QuoteEarly in his career, 50 recorded “Ghetto Qu’ran,” a song about Southside Queens’ notorious gangsters that mentioned McGriff in the first verse. While 50 says he intended it as a tribute, some cite the song as an example of snitching. (According to court documents entered in the Murder Inc. trial, when Federal investigators questioned 50 about McGriff, 50 told them to read his lyrics.)http://www.xxlmag.com/xxl-magazine/2006/07/50-cent-games-haters-play/QuoteWith 50 Cent telling the feds to “read my lyrics,” they used his lyrics as testimony. http://books.google.com/books?id=bTn2a613JW0C&pg=PT207&lpg=PT207&dq=just+read+my+lyrics+50+cent+feds&source=bl&ots=GNqiWYdXyX&sig=heS_1-t1kTRWKpWd46NmnTzw5CY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kUx6U-mmMobJsQSB4ICgDA&ved=0CFQQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=just%20read%20my%20lyrics%2050%20cent%20feds&f=false50 Cent - Ghetto Qu'ranThis topic had no direction in the first place since the title of this thread is "Proof Coolio was a real gang member" and that's not even him in the picture."When you hear talk of the Southside, you hear talk of the TeamSee, niggas feared Prince and respected PremeFor all you slow motherfuckers, I'mma break it down illerSee, Preme was the business man and Prince was the killer"How is this snitching? All he said was Preme was the business man and Prince was the killer. He doesn't explicitly say he killed anyone or that they were involved in anything illegal. Mind you, I'm not a 50 fan I'm just talking facts here. If someone has paperwork on 50 Cent snitching then please provide it. I'll gladly change my stance if and when someone can do that. Until then, it's all just speculation.Edit: Not to say I agree with the way 50 talked about them, but if all he said in his statement was "read the lyrics" then those few bars don't really give the feds much to go off of that they didn't already know, I'm sure.It's snitching because he was under pressure and he gave the feds something to work with instead of keeping his mouth shut. Even if you take that verse out of the scenario there are plenty of other damaging verses in the song dealing with murder and drug dealing. The fact that it may or may not have helped the feds is irrelevant, he still offered them something. Also, what you fail to mention is that 50 had an ongoing beef with them and they were responsible for him getting shot. The paperwork excuse that everyone runs to is silly. If someone is a confidential informant do you think there is paperwork that the average joe can find? Or what about an undercover agent or if there is a open investigation? The fact that you acknowledge that he talked to the feds and told them to read his lyrics dealing with real people and real street events, while at the same time saying you don't agree while at the same damn time acting like it doesn't mean what you know it means because no one has any "paperwork" is amusing to me. You're trying to hard to be right in this situation. "The paperwork excuse that everyone runs to is silly. If someone is a confidential informant do you think there is paperwork that the average joe can find? Or what about an undercover agent or if there is a open investigation.."How is it silly or an "excuse?" You do know that when someone on the streets is accused of snitching the first thing people want to see is the paperwork, right? None of you have access to the one thing that can truly verify whether or not he's a snitch nor do you know any of the parties involved to get the real story or some factual, unbiased information. If he was a confidential informant, we don't know. That's my point. So how does the mere speculation of that automatically make him a snitch? Was anyone indicted over the lyrics in that song? If so, prove it. All that shit about Supreme and them was common knowledge out there. Did 50 testify at Preme's trial and say he was the one who was responsible for having him shot? Did the prosecution play that song in court as evidence for anything?You make some good points but hold this:Read all four pages.http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/surveilling-50-cent50 Cent Fuck You: The subject of 50 being a snitch has been hotly debated also. “This dude sensationalizes everything. All his statements are incendiary. The government believes every lyric- and then he says, ‘Read my lyrics.’ Where I come from that’s dry snitching.” Supreme said and on the whole beef with 50 he said, “Kid you’ve never been through nothing. I walked around wolves, man. I walked among giants.” And he’s right. Maybe 50 is a snitch, maybe not. “The chump 50 Cent wouldn’t even be a factor in the rap game today if his lyrics weren’t snitch oriented,” T says. “He owe his success to the media and his beef with Murder Inc. 50 ain’t never been nowhere but to boot camp. A place guys like Supreme wouldn’t even go to. With dudes yelling in your face telling you to do 50 pushups. How gangsta is that?”This is an excerpt from Street Legends. If you want to read the rest order the book right now.http://www.gorillaconvict.com/2011/10/kenneth-supreme-mcgriff-2/"The fact that it may or may not have helped the feds is irrelevant, he still offered them something."Not entirely true. SNITCHING only applies if you give authorities information they didn't already know that leads to the arrest and/or conviction of someone else. Period. Had there been lyrics in there that did just that, then this would be a completely different story. One could be questioned by the authorities and give false information with the intention of misleading the investigation. As long as it's not in favor of the authorities, then who cares? For clarification, the rule is to shut up, yes, but there are situations where talking can be used to benefit you and/or others. People have taken the stand and lied; it's nothing new.Not true at all. Yes someone may try to steer them away but there can be a mistrial, a witness may not want to testify, evidence may be lost etc. there are different reasons why a case isn't won. That doesn't mean that the person who snitched didn't snitch because you were convicted of what they say you did. Lol You're trying to alter the definition of snitching to fit your argument. So if someone says you stole a car which you did and the cops already know because they have the footage of it, that means the person who told aint snitch? Stop it!"Also, what you fail to mention is that 50 had an ongoing beef with them and they were responsible for him getting shot."Really? Would you mind sharing where you got that info from? That's news to me, last I heard nobody was arrested nor convicted for 50's shooting, lol. Try again.QuoteTuesday - November 22, 2005 by Ei8ht w/additional reporting by Rich RocThe afternoon arguments in Day 3 of the Murder Inc trial seemed to be more of the trial about who shot 50 Cent than it was about money laundering.John Ragin, a former partner in Kenneth "Supreme" McGriff's Picture Perfect film company, took the stand again to testify about his knowledge of Supreme's involvement in the 50 Cent shooting. Ragin, who is currently facing 19 years in jail for a credit card and ecstacy ring, is hoping that, with his testimony in this case and Kenneth "Supreme" McGriff's upcoming case, his sentence will get reduced to "time served." Regin spent 34 months in jail before being released on bail and has been placed in the witness protection program.For the second straight day, Judge Edward Korman ordered the jury to leave the courtroom as he heard arguments from the defense and prosecution about the relevance of the May 24th 2000 shooting of Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson to the trial. Once the jury cleared the room, the prosecution began to probe Ragin about his knowledge of the 50 Cent shooting.Seemingly unphased by the abundance of press and spectators, John Ragin began to give his account of the notorious incident. Regin explained how "Preme" met with "50" face to face and warned him to "stop talking about Ja and Murder Inc." Prosecutor Carolyn Borkony then asked Ragin if he knew who shot 50 Cent. He replied "Yea Sun," in reference to the head of security at Murder Inc, Robert "Sun" Lyons. Ragin claims that he was part of Sun's alibi, meeting Supreme, Sun and Supreme team affiliate, God B, at a mall shortly after the shooting took place. He also claims to have witnessed Sun wash the gun residue off of his hands with rubbing alcohol.The defense argued, pointing out through 50 Cent's music and interviews that 50 has stated he was shot by Darryl "Hommo" Baum. 50 made references on numerous occasions to Hommo as the shooter, even confirming this when confronted about his shooter recently on NY radio station, Hot 97.The prosecution was also allowed to read text messages that were left on both Irv Gotti's and Supreme's 2-way pager regarding the May 2000 50 Cent shooting. This evidence turned out to be irrelevant to the money laundering trial -- in fact the evidence showed there were no text messages between Supreme and Irv on the day of the 50 Cent shooting. However on the day after the shooting, Irv's pager contained two messages that read, "Who did it" and "I have no idea." On June 9, 2000 a message was left on Irv Gotti's pager that said, " Fuck Half a Dollar me and my Nggas kill for fun you got that Murder for fun."The Lorenzo brothers listened tersely to the testimony, apparently less relaxed than previous days which saw them smiling and chuckling intermittently through the arguments. SOHH.com sources close to the Lorenzo camp say the brothers are "optimistic." However, SOHH.com is told they are "fearful of testimony about 50's shooting turning the jury against them."Gerald Shardel and Gerald Leftcourt, attorneys for the brothers, expressed a similar sentiment when talking to reporters as they left the court for the evening, calling the 50 Cent testimony "a distraction.""The government wants it to be a trial about something other then what it's about," Leftcourt told reporters. "The 50 Cent thing has nothing to do with the money laundering charge." http://www.murderinc-online.com/usforum/showthread.php?19208-Murder-Inc-Trial-Day-3-Supreme-warned-50-Stop-talking-about-Ja-says-prosecution-witness"The fact that you acknowledge that he talked to the feds and told them to read his lyrics dealing with real people and real street events..."Lol, all they were asking him about were things pertaining to Supreme's trial, that's all we know. Nobody said anything about the entire song. Besides that, what "events" are you talking about? Nothing in there incriminates anyone for anything. Not to mention, everything he talked about was in the past tense. We don't know how long ago all of that happened or how many of the people involved were still even in the streets. There is such a thing as statute of limitations. Plus, things could have been made up or exaggerated you don't know. If this is really your concern then you need to stop listening to hip hop altogether because rappers shout out friends and illegal shit they may or may not have done in the past all the time. It just so happens that song got released at a bad time. Had Supreme not been in the hot seat when that song was released nobody would have cared at all about what 50 said. All you and everyone else have to go off of are assumptions and subjective information there is not one shred of hard evidence that proves 50 snitched on anyone in that trial. End of story."While at the same time saying you don't agree while at the same damn time acting like it doesn't mean what you know it means because no one has any "paperwork" is amusing to me. You're trying to hard to be right in this situation."Just because it's something I wouldn't do doesn't mean it's wrong. There's plenty of things people do that I wouldn't do.You don't agree with it why then?
Quote from: Cali_State_Of_Mind on May 19, 2014, 12:29:28 PMQuote from: abusive on May 19, 2014, 11:57:50 AMI don't really care about the direction this topic has taken but...... 50 did snitch when he told the feds to read his lyrics. You may want to call it cooperating or whatever but it's not something that can be co-signed by the streets.QuoteEarly in his career, 50 recorded “Ghetto Qu’ran,” a song about Southside Queens’ notorious gangsters that mentioned McGriff in the first verse. While 50 says he intended it as a tribute, some cite the song as an example of snitching. (According to court documents entered in the Murder Inc. trial, when Federal investigators questioned 50 about McGriff, 50 told them to read his lyrics.)http://www.xxlmag.com/xxl-magazine/2006/07/50-cent-games-haters-play/QuoteWith 50 Cent telling the feds to “read my lyrics,” they used his lyrics as testimony. http://books.google.com/books?id=bTn2a613JW0C&pg=PT207&lpg=PT207&dq=just+read+my+lyrics+50+cent+feds&source=bl&ots=GNqiWYdXyX&sig=heS_1-t1kTRWKpWd46NmnTzw5CY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kUx6U-mmMobJsQSB4ICgDA&ved=0CFQQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=just%20read%20my%20lyrics%2050%20cent%20feds&f=false50 Cent - Ghetto Qu'ranThis topic had no direction in the first place since the title of this thread is "Proof Coolio was a real gang member" and that's not even him in the picture."When you hear talk of the Southside, you hear talk of the TeamSee, niggas feared Prince and respected PremeFor all you slow motherfuckers, I'mma break it down illerSee, Preme was the business man and Prince was the killer"How is this snitching? All he said was Preme was the business man and Prince was the killer. He doesn't explicitly say he killed anyone or that they were involved in anything illegal. Mind you, I'm not a 50 fan I'm just talking facts here. If someone has paperwork on 50 Cent snitching then please provide it. I'll gladly change my stance if and when someone can do that. Until then, it's all just speculation.Edit: Not to say I agree with the way 50 talked about them, but if all he said in his statement was "read the lyrics" then those few bars don't really give the feds much to go off of that they didn't already know, I'm sure.It's snitching because he was under pressure and he gave the feds something to work with instead of keeping his mouth shut. Even if you take that verse out of the scenario there are plenty of other damaging verses in the song dealing with murder and drug dealing. The fact that it may or may not have helped the feds is irrelevant, he still offered them something. Also, what you fail to mention is that 50 had an ongoing beef with them and they were responsible for him getting shot. The paperwork excuse that everyone runs to is silly. If someone is a confidential informant do you think there is paperwork that the average joe can find? Or what about an undercover agent or if there is a open investigation? The fact that you acknowledge that he talked to the feds and told them to read his lyrics dealing with real people and real street events, while at the same time saying you don't agree while at the same damn time acting like it doesn't mean what you know it means because no one has any "paperwork" is amusing to me. You're trying to hard to be right in this situation.
Quote from: abusive on May 19, 2014, 11:57:50 AMI don't really care about the direction this topic has taken but...... 50 did snitch when he told the feds to read his lyrics. You may want to call it cooperating or whatever but it's not something that can be co-signed by the streets.QuoteEarly in his career, 50 recorded “Ghetto Qu’ran,” a song about Southside Queens’ notorious gangsters that mentioned McGriff in the first verse. While 50 says he intended it as a tribute, some cite the song as an example of snitching. (According to court documents entered in the Murder Inc. trial, when Federal investigators questioned 50 about McGriff, 50 told them to read his lyrics.)http://www.xxlmag.com/xxl-magazine/2006/07/50-cent-games-haters-play/QuoteWith 50 Cent telling the feds to “read my lyrics,” they used his lyrics as testimony. http://books.google.com/books?id=bTn2a613JW0C&pg=PT207&lpg=PT207&dq=just+read+my+lyrics+50+cent+feds&source=bl&ots=GNqiWYdXyX&sig=heS_1-t1kTRWKpWd46NmnTzw5CY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kUx6U-mmMobJsQSB4ICgDA&ved=0CFQQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=just%20read%20my%20lyrics%2050%20cent%20feds&f=false50 Cent - Ghetto Qu'ranThis topic had no direction in the first place since the title of this thread is "Proof Coolio was a real gang member" and that's not even him in the picture."When you hear talk of the Southside, you hear talk of the TeamSee, niggas feared Prince and respected PremeFor all you slow motherfuckers, I'mma break it down illerSee, Preme was the business man and Prince was the killer"How is this snitching? All he said was Preme was the business man and Prince was the killer. He doesn't explicitly say he killed anyone or that they were involved in anything illegal. Mind you, I'm not a 50 fan I'm just talking facts here. If someone has paperwork on 50 Cent snitching then please provide it. I'll gladly change my stance if and when someone can do that. Until then, it's all just speculation.Edit: Not to say I agree with the way 50 talked about them, but if all he said in his statement was "read the lyrics" then those few bars don't really give the feds much to go off of that they didn't already know, I'm sure.
I don't really care about the direction this topic has taken but...... 50 did snitch when he told the feds to read his lyrics. You may want to call it cooperating or whatever but it's not something that can be co-signed by the streets.QuoteEarly in his career, 50 recorded “Ghetto Qu’ran,” a song about Southside Queens’ notorious gangsters that mentioned McGriff in the first verse. While 50 says he intended it as a tribute, some cite the song as an example of snitching. (According to court documents entered in the Murder Inc. trial, when Federal investigators questioned 50 about McGriff, 50 told them to read his lyrics.)http://www.xxlmag.com/xxl-magazine/2006/07/50-cent-games-haters-play/QuoteWith 50 Cent telling the feds to “read my lyrics,” they used his lyrics as testimony. http://books.google.com/books?id=bTn2a613JW0C&pg=PT207&lpg=PT207&dq=just+read+my+lyrics+50+cent+feds&source=bl&ots=GNqiWYdXyX&sig=heS_1-t1kTRWKpWd46NmnTzw5CY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kUx6U-mmMobJsQSB4ICgDA&ved=0CFQQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=just%20read%20my%20lyrics%2050%20cent%20feds&f=false50 Cent - Ghetto Qu'ran
Early in his career, 50 recorded “Ghetto Qu’ran,” a song about Southside Queens’ notorious gangsters that mentioned McGriff in the first verse. While 50 says he intended it as a tribute, some cite the song as an example of snitching. (According to court documents entered in the Murder Inc. trial, when Federal investigators questioned 50 about McGriff, 50 told them to read his lyrics.)
With 50 Cent telling the feds to “read my lyrics,” they used his lyrics as testimony.
Tuesday - November 22, 2005 by Ei8ht w/additional reporting by Rich RocThe afternoon arguments in Day 3 of the Murder Inc trial seemed to be more of the trial about who shot 50 Cent than it was about money laundering.John Ragin, a former partner in Kenneth "Supreme" McGriff's Picture Perfect film company, took the stand again to testify about his knowledge of Supreme's involvement in the 50 Cent shooting. Ragin, who is currently facing 19 years in jail for a credit card and ecstacy ring, is hoping that, with his testimony in this case and Kenneth "Supreme" McGriff's upcoming case, his sentence will get reduced to "time served." Regin spent 34 months in jail before being released on bail and has been placed in the witness protection program.For the second straight day, Judge Edward Korman ordered the jury to leave the courtroom as he heard arguments from the defense and prosecution about the relevance of the May 24th 2000 shooting of Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson to the trial. Once the jury cleared the room, the prosecution began to probe Ragin about his knowledge of the 50 Cent shooting.Seemingly unphased by the abundance of press and spectators, John Ragin began to give his account of the notorious incident. Regin explained how "Preme" met with "50" face to face and warned him to "stop talking about Ja and Murder Inc." Prosecutor Carolyn Borkony then asked Ragin if he knew who shot 50 Cent. He replied "Yea Sun," in reference to the head of security at Murder Inc, Robert "Sun" Lyons. Ragin claims that he was part of Sun's alibi, meeting Supreme, Sun and Supreme team affiliate, God B, at a mall shortly after the shooting took place. He also claims to have witnessed Sun wash the gun residue off of his hands with rubbing alcohol.The defense argued, pointing out through 50 Cent's music and interviews that 50 has stated he was shot by Darryl "Hommo" Baum. 50 made references on numerous occasions to Hommo as the shooter, even confirming this when confronted about his shooter recently on NY radio station, Hot 97.The prosecution was also allowed to read text messages that were left on both Irv Gotti's and Supreme's 2-way pager regarding the May 2000 50 Cent shooting. This evidence turned out to be irrelevant to the money laundering trial -- in fact the evidence showed there were no text messages between Supreme and Irv on the day of the 50 Cent shooting. However on the day after the shooting, Irv's pager contained two messages that read, "Who did it" and "I have no idea." On June 9, 2000 a message was left on Irv Gotti's pager that said, " Fuck Half a Dollar me and my Nggas kill for fun you got that Murder for fun."The Lorenzo brothers listened tersely to the testimony, apparently less relaxed than previous days which saw them smiling and chuckling intermittently through the arguments. SOHH.com sources close to the Lorenzo camp say the brothers are "optimistic." However, SOHH.com is told they are "fearful of testimony about 50's shooting turning the jury against them."Gerald Shardel and Gerald Leftcourt, attorneys for the brothers, expressed a similar sentiment when talking to reporters as they left the court for the evening, calling the 50 Cent testimony "a distraction.""The government wants it to be a trial about something other then what it's about," Leftcourt told reporters. "The 50 Cent thing has nothing to do with the money laundering charge." http://www.murderinc-online.com/usforum/showthread.php?19208-Murder-Inc-Trial-Day-3-Supreme-warned-50-Stop-talking-about-Ja-says-prosecution-witness
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If this is really your concern then you need to stop listening to hip hop altogether because rappers shout out friends and illegal shit they may or may not have done in the past all the time.
QuoteIf this is really your concern then you need to stop listening to hip hop altogether because rappers shout out friends and illegal shit they may or may not have done in the past all the time.It's not that I'm concerned. It's the fact of the matter that one time do use lyrics in court. 50 saying to read his lyrics wasn't a light thing.This is from a few days ago:Ra Diggs' murder trial: Judge says rap lyrics can be used as evidencehttp://www.amny.com/news/ra-diggs-murder-trial-judge-says-rap-lyrics-can-be-used-as-evidence-1.7974769
Did you read the four page court documents? They were investigating the murder of Jam Master Jay and believed it may have been by Preme due to him helping 50.They ask 50 about his shooting and he says go read my lyrics.One of the lyrics names Preme as a possible person who did it. Everyone knows that Preme was behind his shooting.So how is that not snitching?
Quote from: abusive on May 20, 2014, 10:06:51 PMDid you read the four page court documents? They were investigating the murder of Jam Master Jay and believed it may have been by Preme due to him helping 50.They ask 50 about his shooting and he says go read my lyrics.One of the lyrics names Preme as a possible person who did it. Everyone knows that Preme was behind his shooting.So how is that not snitching? Nah, I hadn't read this yet...Aren't these the same documents that were proven to be fake and made up by Murder Inc? If not, then why the hell is JMJ's murder STILL unsolved? I'm not sure I'm buying this.“We never really had a good lead,” the case’s head detective, Vincent Santangelo, told the Daily News. “Nobody would or nobody could tell us the who or what. We’re still looking for that person.”According to you, 50 referred them to who the killers were, which is a pretty solid lead, so why is his cooperation on the case not mentioned in the article? Clearly, 50 wasn't a confidential informant since the "paperwork" you brought calls him by his government name; so what reason is there for them not to disclose that info? Why wasn't any of the Supreme Team convicted for his murder? Are you gonna tell me that the case's head detective and NY Daily News are liars?http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/10-years-jam-master-jay-murder-sill-unsolved-article-1.1189868
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Quote from: Cali_State_Of_Mind on December 31, 1969, 08:01:21 PMQuote from: abusive on May 20, 2014, 10:06:51 PMDid you read the four page court documents? They were investigating the murder of Jam Master Jay and believed it may have been by Preme due to him helping 50.They ask 50 about his shooting and he says go read my lyrics.One of the lyrics names Preme as a possible person who did it. Everyone knows that Preme was behind his shooting.So how is that not snitching? Nah, I hadn't read this yet...Aren't these the same documents that were proven to be fake and made up by Murder Inc? If not, then why the hell is JMJ's murder STILL unsolved? I'm not sure I'm buying this.“We never really had a good lead,” the case’s head detective, Vincent Santangelo, told the Daily News. “Nobody would or nobody could tell us the who or what. We’re still looking for that person.”According to you, 50 referred them to who the killers were, which is a pretty solid lead, so why is his cooperation on the case not mentioned in the article? Clearly, 50 wasn't a confidential informant since the "paperwork" you brought calls him by his government name; so what reason is there for them not to disclose that info? Why wasn't any of the Supreme Team convicted for his murder? Are you gonna tell me that the case's head detective and NY Daily News are liars?http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/10-years-jam-master-jay-murder-sill-unsolved-article-1.1189868You tell me if the documents are false. Show me something. The smoking gun is a credible site, I doubt they would have anything false up in the first place but if they did it wouldn't still be up all these years later once proven to be false. They could be sued. I never said that 50 was a CI. I said that in some situations such as when people are working as CI's there isn't any paperwork available to the public (that I'm aware of) so asking for paperwork as to the sole means of knowing if someone is a snitch is meaningless. You asked for paperwork and I gave it to you anyway and it shows his cooperation. I think you're missing the point here. It says that they suspected that JMJ was killed by Preme's team for working with 50 because they had him blackballed and JMJ was sworking with him anyway. 50 tells them to read his lyrics and in the lyrics he names Preme as someone who could be behind his own situation. Not JMJ's murder, but it could be implied by his lyrics especially since that's what they already suspected. It doesn't matter why the case hasn't been solved, he still cooperated. Screw the article, his cooperation was shown in the four page court documents. The lyrics may have strengthened what they already suspected but at the end of the day that doesn't matter. Neither does it matter why the case wasn't solved. For the record the ny daily news is damn near a tabloid. That's the same paper that ran the story about Pac that got him shot. Not saying what you posted wasn't true.
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