Funny No Limit ad from the Source in 1996

[Sccit]

lol there's clearly a lot more to runnin a successful business than you know brodie..that's why doggystyle didn't release shit under suge, because snoop didn't have his business acumen right. Once he started fuckin with P, he learned how to get shit done, which suge didn't care for snoop to know.....p got snoop fed, and in turn, we got the post no limit snoop, where he was able to put out a lot of his own stuff and build on that.

And pac would definitely credit the bay for his game above all else.. LA towards the end of his career, but his entire style and image was bay bred.

Stay in your place, youngsta... no offense but I don't think you are even old enough to correctly recall the Death Row era.  That's why you always big up Snoop's Doggfather album—because like unsuccessful sex with Oprah—you came late.  The LBC Crew did have an impact, "Beware of My Crew" was a successful single and video for the Thin Line Between Love and Hate soundtrack.   The album was still a work in progress, in those days everything had to meet Dre's high standards, and after Dre it had to meet Suge's standards, which were also very high.  It's called quality control, something Snoop has never had since his days at Death Row.  

Snoop says in his 98' cover feature with the Source that Suge and Dre always counciled him about not spreading himself to thin and to stay in house.  Snoop said he learned from cats like Puffy and Master P that there was no such thing as overexposure.  Puffy and Master P are hardly the people you want to learn from when it comes to artistic integrity—they may know business, but the quality suffers.

Any rapper of Snoop's stature can easily secure some distribution for a record they want to come out.  So you ain't said nothin but a word to say "look at all the records Snoop put out after Death Row".   He only had two quality records at Dogghouse, Eastsidaz debut and follow up, and neither would of been close to Death Row standard.

Like I said, a Dogg may have learned new tricks at No Limit, but that doesn't mean all of them were good.  He may have learned a thing or two about running a label and putting out records, but he also lost credibility and artistic integrity.

...as for the Bay, again, stay in your place.  Your not a Pac historian, your not even one of his biggest fans even here at the Dubcc.... do your research.  Do you even know why 2pac got into hip-hop?  Do you even know why 2pac started rapping?  2pac was an emcee long before he hit the Bay, junior.... 2pac was asked in an interview why he became a rapper, do you even know what he said?  He said that he had to move around a lot growing up, that he was sort of like a nomad, and that Hip-Hop was the common denominator in all of his travels.  Put down the Mac Dre album for a moment, and go listen to "Ol' School", study Pac's life, and then get back to me

Pretty sure I know way more bout rap than you in general, from 2pac to death row to nas to mac dre to kool keith to do or die



"if ima claim somewhere ima claim Oakland" -PAC



Bay put Pac n Snoop up on game like suge never wanted to..deal wit it



As far as musical quality, every1 knows dre is a perfectionist and that anything under that label was a classic, that aint even bein debated so check yaself

[Okka]

master p taught snoop how to run a label, duno if u consider those "bad tricks", but it did help snoop out in more ways than one. dogg house woulda never been possible without the business acumen master p passed down to snoop, which P himself soaked from the bay.....also, while we're on it, 2pac soaked most his game from the bay as well, which is a major part of why he was as good as he was.

if master p was running a major label and was advertising beats in a magazine, that would be a different story. however, from an independent standpoint, anything goes when ur tryin to reach the top, and based on master p's rise to mainstream takeover post-this ad, i'd say he was doin it right.

Come on man... honestly, how hard is it to run a rap label?  You really think Snoop was sitting behind a desk, working behind a computer, and dealing with investors?   All Snoop did was hired a trusted businessman or lawyer to handle the business side of things while he hung out with his homies and recorded a couple of nice albums with the Eastsidaz, recorded a couple videos where they banged out some video hoes and smoked some high quality Kush, and then turned in the final product to a label rep at the parent label which was probably TVT.

Snoop was already doing his thing with Doggystyle Records and the LBC Crew as far back as 1995. That shit with "Beware of My Crew" that came out on the Thin Line Between Love and Hate soundtrack was slammin' and better than anything that ever came out on Dogghouse.  The only issue was that they had so much quality control and bomb shit at the parent label, Death Row that projects like that got pushed back.


...as for the 2pac, Bay Area thing you mentioned... sure he got a lot of his game from the Bay.  But 2pac was the type of player that picked up game from wherever he went, whether NY, or Baltimore, or L.A., so let's not give the Bay too much credit... and besides that's kind of a separate topic we can discuss in another thread

Don't forget that Big C-Style was helping Snoop with the project back then and he was managin' everybody plus he was the A&R Director on the LBC Crew album.

Let's not give the Bay too much credit? Shit, even Daz went to the Bay to learn about the independent game from JT The Bigga Figga.

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

Shit, even Daz went to the Bay to learn about the independent game from JT The Bigga Figga.

And the quality soon suffered

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

Pretty sure I know way more bout rap than you in general, from 2pac to death row to nas to do or die

Ain't no future in your frontin'

[MUHFUKKA]

i think infant just resents bay rap because he lives in shithole kc and bay rap is bigger than their local shit out there. that and hes a fuckin clueless idiot

[Sccit]

U didn't even know pacs claims of the bay area bein where he got his game.. Some death row historian you are

[Sccit]

i think infant just resents bay rap because he lives in shithole kc and bay rap is bigger than their local shit out there. that and hes a fuckin clueless idiot

It's funny because all of his favorite rappers give major credit to the bay in terms of development..outside of the stuff he reads in the source bout death row, infinite don't know shit about west coast rap period.

[bouli77]

infinite claims to be a historian just because he witnessed first hand the golden era of rap and read a couple of books on 2pac but has very limited knowledge of most of rap music outside of Death Row/Nas/Eminem, lmao. like his anecdotes of him and his friends bumping albums in their rides gives him somewhat of an authority over rap matters when he clearly has no clue of what he's talking about, still having the same simple, manichean vision of rap music that he had some 15 years ago, shit is sad really.

[Hack Wilson - real]

Shit, even Daz went to the Bay to learn about the independent game from JT The Bigga Figga.

And the quality soon suffered

that's because daz is a crackhead

[⠀]

Shit, even Daz went to the Bay to learn about the independent game from JT The Bigga Figga.

And the quality soon suffered

that's because daz is a crackhead

I thought he liked X pills? I remember that Kurupt interview where he said Daz was sitting in the back seat of a car, full of X, sweating uncontrollably and just generally being fat. 

[O.G A.Geesta'z]

Thank god you don't know shit about hip hop

[Black Excellence]

they were independent at this point....this is actually how they came up, and they taught snoop the same values, which is why snoop was able to be successful wit dogg house records. bay area hustle.

No Limit may have taught a Dogg new tricks, but they were all bad ones.  No Limit taught Snoop how to stretch himself too thin, water down the industry, sell out, and become a business man first and artist second.  Snoop's success at Dogghouse was a result of leaving the South, and getting back in touch with Dre and local homies from the LBC that shared the same musical vibe and vision as Snoop.

...Much love to Dre and Suge Knight for maintaining Snoop and the Dogg Pound's artistic integrity while they were on Death Row.

Suge Knight >>>>>>>> Master P

truth.

[⠀]

Beats By The Pound had the wackest most tone deaf compositions I'd ever heard since Swizz Beats walked into the studio and decided he could play every instrument (without any experience) on the same damn track which he programmed via Casio presets. The complete opposite of Snoops elegant singsong flow that needed lush compositions to bring out the best in it.

I do wonder what would have happened had he went to Cash Money though as Mannie Fresh dropped some heat in those days and always seemed to tailor his beats to the artist as opposed to pumping out generics. Heck, even Rap A Lot could have done Snoop some favours...

Funny isn't it that if Suge didn't insist on jerking his artists and treating them like hoes he probably could've stayed on top a bit longer and ran his lot from the box, but no, once the immediate fear generator is out of the vicinity the dogg can clip his teeth back in and show his true colours.

[3rd Coast]

they were independent at this point....this is actually how they came up, and they taught snoop the same values, which is why snoop was able to be successful wit dogg house records. bay area hustle.

No Limit may have taught a Dogg new tricks, but they were all bad ones.  No Limit taught Snoop how to stretch himself too thin, water down the industry, sell out, and become a business man first and artist second.  Snoop's success at Dogghouse was a result of leaving the South, and getting back in touch with Dre and local homies from the LBC that shared the same musical vibe and vision as Snoop.

...Much love to Dre and Suge Knight for maintaining Snoop and the Dogg Pound's artistic integrity while they were on Death Row.

Suge Knight >>>>>>>> Master P

master p taught snoop how to run a label, duno if u consider those "bad tricks", but it did help snoop out in more ways than one. dogg house woulda never been possible without the business acumen master p passed down to snoop, which P himself soaked from the bay.....also, while we're on it, 2pac soaked most his game from the bay as well, which is a major part of why he was as good as he was.

if master p was running a major label and was advertising beats in a magazine, that would be a different story. however, from an independent standpoint, anything goes when ur tryin to reach the top, and based on master p's rise to mainstream takeover post-this ad, i'd say he was doin it right.

what alot of ppl didnt understand was p had a gang of connections in texas to help his empire grow fast as it did..he had a southwest wholesale account..so cds got pressed up fast and cheap ...n he had pen n pixel account who did graphics n shit cheap...

put those 2 together..n knowledge of how often the consumer gets paid...he put albums out damn near every 2 weeks...

he literally turnt his label into a trap...when he brought out the different color cd cases 

u can say it represented crack vials..or weed baggies...but put in a low key genius way turned the rap game to a dope game..red cds were fiends..p was his connect..blue cds was snoops ..p was his connect..orange p..etc

everything was cheap..n u got more for your bucks vs the competitors ...avg cd back track was was 15-17 song..p had 20+

funny all these dboy rappers today didnt pay homage to the ice cream man...

p >>>>>suge every single way with out bullyin his artist.or the controversy... everything p put out in a 5yr span went gold or platinum, and they were all nobody..n he didnt lose his catalog either..kept all his masters...didnt lose it

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

they were independent at this point....this is actually how they came up, and they taught snoop the same values, which is why snoop was able to be successful wit dogg house records. bay area hustle.

No Limit may have taught a Dogg new tricks, but they were all bad ones.  No Limit taught Snoop how to stretch himself too thin, water down the industry, sell out, and become a business man first and artist second.  Snoop's success at Dogghouse was a result of leaving the South, and getting back in touch with Dre and local homies from the LBC that shared the same musical vibe and vision as Snoop.

...Much love to Dre and Suge Knight for maintaining Snoop and the Dogg Pound's artistic integrity while they were on Death Row.

Suge Knight >>>>>>>> Master P

master p taught snoop how to run a label, duno if u consider those "bad tricks", but it did help snoop out in more ways than one. dogg house woulda never been possible without the business acumen master p passed down to snoop, which P himself soaked from the bay.....also, while we're on it, 2pac soaked most his game from the bay as well, which is a major part of why he was as good as he was.

if master p was running a major label and was advertising beats in a magazine, that would be a different story. however, from an independent standpoint, anything goes when ur tryin to reach the top, and based on master p's rise to mainstream takeover post-this ad, i'd say he was doin it right.

what alot of ppl didnt understand was p had a gang of connections in texas to help his empire grow fast as it did..he had a southwest wholesale account..so cds got pressed up fast and cheap ...n he had pen n pixel account who did graphics n shit cheap...

put those 2 together..n knowledge of how often the consumer gets paid...he put albums out damn near every 2 weeks...

he literally turnt his label into a trap...when he brought out the different color cd cases 

u can say it represented crack vials..or weed baggies...but put in a low key genius way turned the rap game to a dope game..red cds were fiends..p was his connect..blue cds was snoops ..p was his connect..orange p..etc

everything was cheap..n u got more for your bucks vs the competitors ...avg cd back track was was 15-17 song..p had 20+

funny all these dboy rappers today didnt pay homage to the ice cream man...

p >>>>>suge every single way with out bullyin his artist.or the controversy... everything p put out in a 5yr span went gold or platinum, and they were all nobody..n he didnt lose his catalog either..kept all his masters...didnt lose it

interesting