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Re: Eminem vs Rakim
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2014, 02:55:04 AM »
sslp and mmlp are classic albums which could measure up with any rap album ever made.

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you need to stop sounding like u talk with your eyes closed, brodie...


seriously, rank the albums or dont bother replyin

18th Letter > SSLP = MMLP


this is coming from someone who doesnt think eminem has classic albums, am i wrong? as long as you understand that you're in the minority on that one.
 

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« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2014, 06:32:24 AM »
Classic West, personal classics, classic Aftermath etc etc doesn't = all time classics no
 

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Re: Eminem vs Rakim
« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2014, 09:34:51 AM »
Don't get me wrong, I personally have Rakim over Eminem as a rapper. We are not debating Rakim> Eminem. But to put down Eminem just reeks of trolling. Straight up, Eminem is on of the greatest, most complete rappers of all time. You being so dismissive of him really hurts your argument. I mean no content? Really? Not even White America, or Sing for the Moment, or Toy Soldier?
 

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« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2014, 10:29:04 AM »
Don't get me wrong, I personally have Rakim over Eminem as a rapper. We are not debating Rakim> Eminem. But to put down Eminem just reeks of trolling. Straight up, Eminem is on of the greatest, most complete rappers of all time. You being so dismissive of him really hurts your argument. I mean no content? Really? Not even White America, or Sing for the Moment, or Toy Soldier?

None of the songs you listed are on SSLP or MMLP
 

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Re: Eminem vs Rakim
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2014, 01:50:38 PM »
Classic West, personal classics, classic Aftermath etc etc doesn't = all time classics no


well, it's not any of those...them albums are considered consensus hip-hop classics. if your pretentious mind disagrees, all good. but please dont preach your minority opinion as gospel.
 

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« Reply #30 on: November 26, 2014, 03:41:56 PM »
Classic West, personal classics, classic Aftermath etc etc doesn't = all time classics no


well, it's not any of those...them albums are considered consensus hip-hop classics. if your pretentious mind disagrees, all good. but please dont preach your minority opinion as gospel.

I don't care what other people supposedly 'universally' call classics. We've all got out opinions, hence being on a hiphop forum.

To me Ems a crossover phenomenon. Dope and clever MC that was nurtured and matured into possibly the best pop rap artist of all time and a cultural icon. In a way he's bigger than just a pop star (practically a legend in his own lifetime by modern standards) but in terms of classic all round hiphop greats he's nowhere near the top.
 

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Re: Eminem vs Rakim
« Reply #31 on: November 26, 2014, 03:53:59 PM »
Classic West, personal classics, classic Aftermath etc etc doesn't = all time classics no


well, it's not any of those...them albums are considered consensus hip-hop classics. if your pretentious mind disagrees, all good. but please dont preach your minority opinion as gospel.

I don't care what other people supposedly 'universally' call classics. We've all got out opinions, hence being on a hiphop forum.

To me Ems a crossover phenomenon. Dope and clever MC that was nurtured and matured into possibly the best pop rap artist of all time and a cultural icon. In a way he's bigger than just a pop star (practically a legend in his own lifetime by modern standards) but in terms of classic all round hiphop greats he's nowhere near the top.
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But sometimes it transcends opinion and becomes stupidly .. In basketball terms, if someone claimed Kareem wasn't one of the greatests, they'd be an idiot. Some things are just universal truths, and certain albums are recognized as undeniable hip-hop classics. You're confusing personal taste with unbiased ranking.. I don't like country, but I'm not guna sit here and tell you that there are no country album classics just because it's not my preference. That's where it starts crossing into pretentious.
 

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Re: Eminem vs Rakim
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2014, 03:57:18 PM »
Classic West, personal classics, classic Aftermath etc etc doesn't = all time classics no


well, it's not any of those...them albums are considered consensus hip-hop classics. if your pretentious mind disagrees, all good. but please dont preach your minority opinion as gospel.

I don't care what other people supposedly 'universally' call classics. We've all got out opinions, hence being on a hiphop forum.

To me Ems a crossover phenomenon. Dope and clever MC that was nurtured and matured into possibly the best pop rap artist of all time and a cultural icon. In a way he's bigger than just a pop star (practically a legend in his own lifetime by modern standards) but in terms of classic all round hiphop greats he's nowhere near the top.
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But sometimes it transcends opinion and becomes stupidly .. In basketball terms, if someone claimed Kareem wasn't one of the greatests, they'd be an idiot. Some things are just universal truths, and certain albums are recognized as undeniable hip-hop classics. You're confusing personal taste with unbiased ranking.. I don't like country, but I'm not guna sit here and tell you that there are no country album classics just because it's not my preference. That's where it starts crossing into pretentious.

I didn't say there are no classic hiphop albums, that'd be dumb.

EDIT: Also I never said Em wasn't one of the greatest MC's. Just not lyricists, or classic albums
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Re: Eminem vs Rakim
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2014, 04:07:56 PM »
Really, I own 18th Letter. I play that album a lot in college. I never got that, "OMG, this dude is amazing" feel from it. Eric B. and Rakim, yes, each album made me feel like Rakim was fucking amazing. But 18th Letter? Really? I mean Rakim was good on it, but the whole feel of the album just didn't blow me out the water or anything like that.

Personal taste but for me his penmanship on that album is amazing. Em has it at times like on Stan but his 'my mommas on your lips' type lyrics (most of it) just basic ish. As an MC, song conceps, production etc Ems albums are amazing but content is not there

Lol you didn't even get the lyrics right. How are you gonna comment on his lyrics when you don't even understand them? Speaking of content though... most of Rakim's work with Eric B had next to no content on them. He's rapping about rapping. And these are his best albums.
 

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« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2014, 04:11:46 PM »
Really, I own 18th Letter. I play that album a lot in college. I never got that, "OMG, this dude is amazing" feel from it. Eric B. and Rakim, yes, each album made me feel like Rakim was fucking amazing. But 18th Letter? Really? I mean Rakim was good on it, but the whole feel of the album just didn't blow me out the water or anything like that.

Personal taste but for me his penmanship on that album is amazing. Em has it at times like on Stan but his 'my mommas on your lips' type lyrics (most of it) just basic ish. As an MC, song conceps, production etc Ems albums are amazing but content is not there

Lol you didn't even get the lyrics right. How are you gonna comment on his lyrics when you don't even understand them? Speaking of content though... most of Rakim's work with Eric B had next to no content on them. He's rapping about rapping. And these are his best albums.

Wow. Bum is on your lips is so much better. I just had an epiphany. Greatest lyricist of all time :D
 

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Re: Eminem vs Rakim
« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2014, 05:53:47 PM »
rakim is the better lyricist, eminem had better range in his music. overall, a classic em album is more entertaining than a classic rakim album, but like others already said, they're interchangeable, as is the story with most greats.

I'm curious to know how you were able to conclude that Rakim is a better lyricist than Eminem?
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Re: Eminem vs Rakim
« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2014, 05:57:11 PM »
Really, I own 18th Letter. I play that album a lot in college. I never got that, "OMG, this dude is amazing" feel from it. Eric B. and Rakim, yes, each album made me feel like Rakim was fucking amazing. But 18th Letter? Really? I mean Rakim was good on it, but the whole feel of the album just didn't blow me out the water or anything like that.

Personal taste but for me his penmanship on that album is amazing. Em has it at times like on Stan but his 'my mommas on your lips' type lyrics (most of it) just basic ish. As an MC, song conceps, production etc Ems albums are amazing but content is not there

Lol you didn't even get the lyrics right. How are you gonna comment on his lyrics when you don't even understand them? Speaking of content though... most of Rakim's work with Eric B had next to no content on them. He's rapping about rapping. And these are his best albums.
I was going to say the same shit. His Solo stuff is not even considered his best shit ha.
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Re: Eminem vs Rakim
« Reply #37 on: November 26, 2014, 05:58:57 PM »
sslp and mmlp are classic albums which could measure up with any rap album ever made.

But no


you need to stop sounding like u talk with your eyes closed, brodie...


seriously, rank the albums or dont bother replyin

18th Letter > SSLP = MMLP
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Re: Eminem vs Rakim
« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2014, 06:07:12 PM »
Don't get me wrong, I personally have Rakim over Eminem as a rapper. We are not debating Rakim> Eminem. But to put down Eminem just reeks of trolling. Straight up, Eminem is on of the greatest, most complete rappers of all time. You being so dismissive of him really hurts your argument. I mean no content? Really? Not even White America, or Sing for the Moment, or Toy Soldier?

None of the songs you listed are on SSLP or MMLP

First off, I never considered SSLP a classic. But even that album had Brain Damage.The MMLP had Stan, The Way I Am, and Kim.
 

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Re: Eminem vs Rakim
« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2014, 06:08:22 PM »
rakim is the better lyricist, eminem had better range in his music. overall, a classic em album is more entertaining than a classic rakim album, but like others already said, they're interchangeable, as is the story with most greats.

I'm curious to know how you were able to conclude that Rakim is a better lyricist than Eminem?

I would. But it's not like it's a wipe out. They are different.
 

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Re: Eminem vs Rakim
« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2014, 06:18:54 PM »
Classic West, personal classics, classic Aftermath etc etc doesn't = all time classics no


well, it's not any of those...them albums are considered consensus hip-hop classics. if your pretentious mind disagrees, all good. but please dont preach your minority opinion as gospel.

I don't care what other people supposedly 'universally' call classics. We've all got out opinions, hence being on a hiphop forum.

To me Ems a crossover phenomenon. Dope and clever MC that was nurtured and matured into possibly the best pop rap artist of all time and a cultural icon. In a way he's bigger than just a pop star (practically a legend in his own lifetime by modern standards) but in terms of classic all round hiphop greats he's nowhere near the top.
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But sometimes it transcends opinion and becomes stupidly .. In basketball terms, if someone claimed Kareem wasn't one of the greatests, they'd be an idiot. Some things are just universal truths, and certain albums are recognized as undeniable hip-hop classics. You're confusing personal taste with unbiased ranking.. I don't like country, but I'm not guna sit here and tell you that there are no country album classics just because it's not my preference. That's where it starts crossing into pretentious.

I didn't say there are no classic hiphop albums, that'd be dumb.

EDIT: Also I never said Em wasn't one of the greatest MC's. Just not lyricists, or classic albums

and thats where your personal preference gets in the way of unbiased judgement.
 

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Re: Eminem vs Rakim
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2014, 06:19:45 PM »
rakim is the better lyricist, eminem had better range in his music. overall, a classic em album is more entertaining than a classic rakim album, but like others already said, they're interchangeable, as is the story with most greats.

I'm curious to know how you were able to conclude that Rakim is a better lyricist than Eminem?

I would. But it's not like it's a wipe out. They are different.
So how did you come up with that conclusion. I always found it weird how people were able to make that distinction when comparing two highly skilled lyricist. To this day I haven't heard anyone give me a thorough explanation how they did it. Seems like it's just another opinion, claimed to be fact.
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« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2014, 06:20:14 PM »
Really, I own 18th Letter. I play that album a lot in college. I never got that, "OMG, this dude is amazing" feel from it. Eric B. and Rakim, yes, each album made me feel like Rakim was fucking amazing. But 18th Letter? Really? I mean Rakim was good on it, but the whole feel of the album just didn't blow me out the water or anything like that.

Personal taste but for me his penmanship on that album is amazing. Em has it at times like on Stan but his 'my mommas on your lips' type lyrics (most of it) just basic ish. As an MC, song conceps, production etc Ems albums are amazing but content is not there

Lol you didn't even get the lyrics right. How are you gonna comment on his lyrics when you don't even understand them? Speaking of content though... most of Rakim's work with Eric B had next to no content on them. He's rapping about rapping. And these are his best albums.

lmao i just caught that, "my mommas on your lips"...will really is somethin else, never change.
 

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« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2014, 06:26:47 PM »
rakim is the better lyricist, eminem had better range in his music. overall, a classic em album is more entertaining than a classic rakim album, but like others already said, they're interchangeable, as is the story with most greats.

I'm curious to know how you were able to conclude that Rakim is a better lyricist than Eminem?

i'm not tryna get into the science of lyricism right now, but rakim is more consistent with his bars and is impeccable with placement of where the rhymes hit. i think he's the best example i can come up with for how the perfect rhyme should be structured. eminem is right up there, tho.. just not as clean of an overall structure to his rhymes.
 

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« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2014, 06:30:41 PM »
rakim is the better lyricist, eminem had better range in his music. overall, a classic em album is more entertaining than a classic rakim album, but like others already said, they're interchangeable, as is the story with most greats.

I'm curious to know how you were able to conclude that Rakim is a better lyricist than Eminem?

i'm not tryna get into the science of lyricism right now, but rakim is more consistent with his bars and is impeccable with placement of where the rhymes hit. i think he's the best example i can come up with for how the perfect rhyme should be structured. eminem is right up there, tho.. just not as clean of an overall structure to his rhymes.
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Re: Eminem vs Rakim
« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2014, 07:20:12 PM »
rakim is the better lyricist, eminem had better range in his music. overall, a classic em album is more entertaining than a classic rakim album, but like others already said, they're interchangeable, as is the story with most greats.

I'm curious to know how you were able to conclude that Rakim is a better lyricist than Eminem?

i'm not tryna get into the science of lyricism right now, but rakim is more consistent with his bars and is impeccable with placement of where the rhymes hit. i think he's the best example i can come up with for how the perfect rhyme should be structured. eminem is right up there, tho.. just not as clean of an overall structure to his rhymes.

Sounds about right. In also take into account impact and influence. So say someone like a 2Pac who was skilled, but not to the level of an Eminem or Rakim, would really make up points in that aspect, plus range of songs and the ability to construct albums. To me it's more than rhyme structure, but with just rhyme structure you have very few that are even close to Rakim. I have see some take vocabulary size, I think that's a crock of shit, but Canibus ranked the highest in that category. There is so much you can do. But at the end of the day, art is subjective. And to me Rakim is better. But honestly to say Eminem is not close-up or to even say Eminem is not top 5, or to reduce him to just a hip hop pop act is a huge injustice to Eminem. Em to be is number 4 overall on my list. Only 2 spots behind Rakim and just under 2Pac.
 

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Re: Eminem vs Rakim
« Reply #46 on: November 26, 2014, 07:29:21 PM »
rakim is the better lyricist, eminem had better range in his music. overall, a classic em album is more entertaining than a classic rakim album, but like others already said, they're interchangeable, as is the story with most greats.

I'm curious to know how you were able to conclude that Rakim is a better lyricist than Eminem?

i'm not tryna get into the science of lyricism right now, but rakim is more consistent with his bars and is impeccable with placement of where the rhymes hit. i think he's the best example i can come up with for how the perfect rhyme should be structured. eminem is right up there, tho.. just not as clean of an overall structure to his rhymes.

Sounds about right. In also take into account impact and influence. So say someone like a 2Pac who was skilled, but not to the level of an Eminem or Rakim, would really make up points in that aspect, plus range of songs and the ability to construct albums. To me it's more than rhyme structure, but with just rhyme structure you have very few that are even close to Rakim. I have see some take vocabulary size, I think that's a crock of shit, but Canibus ranked the highest in that category. There is so much you can do. But at the end of the day, art is subjective. And to me Rakim is better. But honestly to say Eminem is not close-up or to even say Eminem is not top 5, or to reduce him to just a hip hop pop act is a huge injustice to Eminem. Em to be is number 4 overall on my list. Only 2 spots behind Rakim and just under 2Pac.
I don't have a problem with anyone saying Rakim is better. I love RA. He's a pioneer! My point is that Hop Hop has a lot of elements and if we're going to talk about the element of lyricism ALONE, there is no fucking way anyone can claim that Em is not on Rakims level in terms of lyricism. That's just false. Eminem is a mad scientist. If you want to bring up other aspects about him and just talk about him as a WHOLE artist, then it becomes a bit more subjective. But in terms of just the science of lyricism, Eminem is right there at the top with the best and possibly even higher.

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Re: Eminem vs Rakim
« Reply #47 on: November 26, 2014, 07:39:33 PM »
rakim is the better lyricist, eminem had better range in his music. overall, a classic em album is more entertaining than a classic rakim album, but like others already said, they're interchangeable, as is the story with most greats.

I'm curious to know how you were able to conclude that Rakim is a better lyricist than Eminem?

i'm not tryna get into the science of lyricism right now, but rakim is more consistent with his bars and is impeccable with placement of where the rhymes hit. i think he's the best example i can come up with for how the perfect rhyme should be structured. eminem is right up there, tho.. just not as clean of an overall structure to his rhymes.

Sounds about right. In also take into account impact and influence. So say someone like a 2Pac who was skilled, but not to the level of an Eminem or Rakim, would really make up points in that aspect, plus range of songs and the ability to construct albums. To me it's more than rhyme structure, but with just rhyme structure you have very few that are even close to Rakim. I have see some take vocabulary size, I think that's a crock of shit, but Canibus ranked the highest in that category. There is so much you can do. But at the end of the day, art is subjective. And to me Rakim is better. But honestly to say Eminem is not close-up or to even say Eminem is not top 5, or to reduce him to just a hip hop pop act is a huge injustice to Eminem. Em to be is number 4 overall on my list. Only 2 spots behind Rakim and just under 2Pac.
I don't have a problem with anyone saying Rakim is better. I love RA. He's a pioneer! My point is that Hop Hop has a lot of elements and if we're going to talk about the element of lyricism ALONE, there is no fucking way anyone can claim that Em is not on Rakims level in terms of lyricism. That's just false. Eminem is a mad scientist. If you want to bring up other aspects about him and just talk about him as a WHOLE artist, then it becomes a bit more subjective. But in terms of just the science of lyricism, Eminem is right there at the top with the best and possibly even higher.

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Re: Eminem vs Rakim
« Reply #48 on: November 26, 2014, 07:54:07 PM »
gotta go with rakim.

would go with rakim regardless, but my criticism is that eminem's latter part of his career isn't doing him any favours. he might still have the raw spitting abilities but his albums just aren't on the level of his earlier work. not to say rakim's last LP was great but some of ems output has been really grating.

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« Reply #49 on: November 26, 2014, 08:16:44 PM »
rakim is the better lyricist, eminem had better range in his music. overall, a classic em album is more entertaining than a classic rakim album, but like others already said, they're interchangeable, as is the story with most greats.

I'm curious to know how you were able to conclude that Rakim is a better lyricist than Eminem?

i'm not tryna get into the science of lyricism right now, but rakim is more consistent with his bars and is impeccable with placement of where the rhymes hit. i think he's the best example i can come up with for how the perfect rhyme should be structured. eminem is right up there, tho.. just not as clean of an overall structure to his rhymes.

Sounds about right. In also take into account impact and influence. So say someone like a 2Pac who was skilled, but not to the level of an Eminem or Rakim, would really make up points in that aspect, plus range of songs and the ability to construct albums. To me it's more than rhyme structure, but with just rhyme structure you have very few that are even close to Rakim. I have see some take vocabulary size, I think that's a crock of shit, but Canibus ranked the highest in that category. There is so much you can do. But at the end of the day, art is subjective. And to me Rakim is better. But honestly to say Eminem is not close-up or to even say Eminem is not top 5, or to reduce him to just a hip hop pop act is a huge injustice to Eminem. Em to be is number 4 overall on my list. Only 2 spots behind Rakim and just under 2Pac.
I don't have a problem with anyone saying Rakim is better. I love RA. He's a pioneer! My point is that Hop Hop has a lot of elements and if we're going to talk about the element of lyricism ALONE, there is no fucking way anyone can claim that Em is not on Rakims level in terms of lyricism. That's just false. Eminem is a mad scientist. If you want to bring up other aspects about him and just talk about him as a WHOLE artist, then it becomes a bit more subjective. But in terms of just the science of lyricism, Eminem is right there at the top with the best and possibly even higher.

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No doubt. Em is a beast. Like I said earlier, to me Em is like Joe Montana and Rakim is like Otto Graham. You can argue all day and night over who's better. To me it is very close