Tim Duncan > Kobe

[Hack Wilson - real]

Tim still doing it big time at age 38

[M Dogg™]

HAHAHA

See, as I said last year, I was rooting for the Heat because I knew the Kobe haters would do this... but it's all very simple...

Kobe was robbed twice of being league MVP, and also Kobe went to the finals more times than Duncan. On top of that, Kobe scored more points and had more assist, therefore is a greater contributor to his team scoring wise than Duncan. So all and all, Kobe is the best player since Jordan retired in 1998. Let's not kid ourselves.

[Chamillitary Click]

Like I was saying in the other thread, unfortunately not the case. Duncan has more hardware...so by the Dubcc standard, it's not a conversation, nor debatable.

Plus Final's records. 5-1 >>> 5-2. #WinningPercentage

[Hack Wilson - real]

Like I was saying in the other thread, unfortunately not the case. Duncan has more hardware...so by the Dubcc standard, it's not a conversation, nor debatable.

Plus Final's records. 5-1 >>> 5-2. #WinningPercentage

and Duncan spent FOUR years in college where Wake Forest had a 97-31 record 

[M Dogg™]

Like I was saying in the other thread, unfortunately not the case. Duncan has more hardware...so by the Dubcc standard, it's not a conversation, nor debatable.

Plus Final's records. 5-1 >>> 5-2. #WinningPercentage

Win Percentage? Manu/Parker>>>Smush/Kwame

[Chamillitary Click]

What does that even mean? Shaq/Phil >>>>>>>>>> Spurs franchise.

[Hack Wilson - real]

notice how Duncan isn't even done with his playoff career yet while Kobe is 

[Chamillitary Click]

notice how Duncan isn't even done with his playoff career yet while Kobe is 

Nigga just put up 28 & 11 in a playoff game lmao.

Achievements only "count" if you're a Laker/Kobe fan, absolutely petrified about LeBron inevitable, superior legacy.

[Sccit]

Duncan is great, but his consistency is a product of Popavich's system..because he hasn't been in his prime for going on 6 years and hasn't been the best player on his team for even longer. his team has never went back to back, let alone threepeated.....so while he has the consistency on kobe (mainly due to playin on a great team since bein drafted), he doesnt have the highs kobe has had, and thats why Kobe is superior as far as individual players go.

[Hack Wilson - real]

he has more MVP's than kobe - that tells me he was better in his peak too.

[Sccit]

he has more MVP's than kobe - that tells me he was better in his peak too.

kobe played on bad teams durin a good portion of his prime....he was easily the best player in the league durin the smush parker-kwame brown years.  both them steve nash mvps belong to kobe and every1 knows it.

[Hack Wilson - real]

the same Steve Nash who beat Kobe in the playoffs too?


one of Nash's MVP's should've went to Shaq in Miami, Shaq was 2nd that year not Kobe.

[Hack Wilson - real]

2004-05 NBA Awards Voting

Most Valuable Player
Voting      Per Game   Shooting   Advanced
Rank   Player   Age   Tm   First   Pts Won   Pts Max   Share   G   MP   PTS   TRB   AST   STL   BLK   FG%   3P%   FT%   WS   WS/48
1   Steve Nash   30   PHO   65.0   1066.0   1270   0.839   75   34.3   15.5   3.3   11.5   1.0   0.1   .502   .431   .887   10.9   .203
2   Shaquille O'Neal   32   MIA   58.0   1032.0   1270   0.813   73   34.1   22.9   10.4   2.7   0.5   2.3   .601      .461   11.0   .211
3   Dirk Nowitzki   26   DAL   0.0   349.0   1270   0.275   78   38.7   26.1   9.7   3.1   1.2   1.5   .459   .399   .869   15.6   .248
4   Tim Duncan   28   SAS   1.0   328.0   1270   0.258   66   33.4   20.3   11.1   2.7   0.7   2.6   .496   .333   .670   11.2   .245
5   Allen Iverson   29   PHI   2.0   240.0   1270   0.189   75   42.3   30.7   4.0   7.9   2.4   0.1   .424   .308   .835   9.0   .136
6   LeBron James   20   CLE   0.0   93.0   1270   0.073   80   42.4   27.2   7.4   7.2   2.2   0.7   .472   .351   .750   14.3   .203
7   Tracy McGrady   25   HOU   0.0   44.0   1270   0.035   78   40.8   25.7   6.2   5.7   1.7   0.7   .431   .326   .774   12.0   .180
8   Dwyane Wade   23   MIA   0.0   43.0   1270   0.034   77   38.6   24.1   5.2   6.8   1.6   1.1   .478   .289   .762   11.0   .177
9T   Amar'e Stoudemire   22   PHO   1.0   41.0   1270   0.032   80   36.1   26.0   8.9   1.6   1.0   1.6   .559   .188   .733   14.6   .243
9T   Ray Allen   29   SEA   0.0   41.0   1270   0.032   78   39.3   23.9   4.4   3.7   1.1   0.1   .428   .376   .883   10.7   .168
11   Kevin Garnett   28   MIN   0.0   15.0   1270   0.012   82   38.1   22.2   13.5   5.7   1.5   1.4   .502   .240   .811   16.1   .248
12   Gilbert Arenas   23   WAS   0.0   4.0   1270   0.003   80   40.9   25.5   4.7   5.1   1.7   0.3   .431   .365   .814   11.5   .169
13   Vince Carter   28   TOT   0.0   3.0   1270   0.002   77   36.7   24.5   5.2   4.2   1.4   0.6   .452   .406   .798   9.4   .159
14T   P.J. Brown   35   NOH   0.0   1.0   1270   0.001   82   34.4   10.8   9.0   2.2   0.9   0.6   .446      .864   6.9   .118
14T   Marcus Camby   30   DEN   0.0   1.0   1270   0.001   66   30.5   10.3   10.0   2.3   0.9   3.0   .465   .000   .723   5.8   .138
14T   Shawn Marion   26   PHO   0.0   1.0   1270   0.001   81   38.8   19.4   11.3   1.9   2.0   1.5   .476   .334   .833   12.5   .191




kobe didn't even get ONE VOTE and NIK acting like a moron on here pretending that was Kobe's year? LMAO

[M Dogg™]

2004-05 NBA Awards Voting

Most Valuable Player
Voting      Per Game   Shooting   Advanced
Rank   Player   Age   Tm   First   Pts Won   Pts Max   Share   G   MP   PTS   TRB   AST   STL   BLK   FG%   3P%   FT%   WS   WS/48
1   Steve Nash   30   PHO   65.0   1066.0   1270   0.839   75   34.3   15.5   3.3   11.5   1.0   0.1   .502   .431   .887   10.9   .203
2   Shaquille O'Neal   32   MIA   58.0   1032.0   1270   0.813   73   34.1   22.9   10.4   2.7   0.5   2.3   .601      .461   11.0   .211
3   Dirk Nowitzki   26   DAL   0.0   349.0   1270   0.275   78   38.7   26.1   9.7   3.1   1.2   1.5   .459   .399   .869   15.6   .248
4   Tim Duncan   28   SAS   1.0   328.0   1270   0.258   66   33.4   20.3   11.1   2.7   0.7   2.6   .496   .333   .670   11.2   .245
5   Allen Iverson   29   PHI   2.0   240.0   1270   0.189   75   42.3   30.7   4.0   7.9   2.4   0.1   .424   .308   .835   9.0   .136
6   LeBron James   20   CLE   0.0   93.0   1270   0.073   80   42.4   27.2   7.4   7.2   2.2   0.7   .472   .351   .750   14.3   .203
7   Tracy McGrady   25   HOU   0.0   44.0   1270   0.035   78   40.8   25.7   6.2   5.7   1.7   0.7   .431   .326   .774   12.0   .180
8   Dwyane Wade   23   MIA   0.0   43.0   1270   0.034   77   38.6   24.1   5.2   6.8   1.6   1.1   .478   .289   .762   11.0   .177
9T   Amar'e Stoudemire   22   PHO   1.0   41.0   1270   0.032   80   36.1   26.0   8.9   1.6   1.0   1.6   .559   .188   .733   14.6   .243
9T   Ray Allen   29   SEA   0.0   41.0   1270   0.032   78   39.3   23.9   4.4   3.7   1.1   0.1   .428   .376   .883   10.7   .168
11   Kevin Garnett   28   MIN   0.0   15.0   1270   0.012   82   38.1   22.2   13.5   5.7   1.5   1.4   .502   .240   .811   16.1   .248
12   Gilbert Arenas   23   WAS   0.0   4.0   1270   0.003   80   40.9   25.5   4.7   5.1   1.7   0.3   .431   .365   .814   11.5   .169
13   Vince Carter   28   TOT   0.0   3.0   1270   0.002   77   36.7   24.5   5.2   4.2   1.4   0.6   .452   .406   .798   9.4   .159
14T   P.J. Brown   35   NOH   0.0   1.0   1270   0.001   82   34.4   10.8   9.0   2.2   0.9   0.6   .446      .864   6.9   .118
14T   Marcus Camby   30   DEN   0.0   1.0   1270   0.001   66   30.5   10.3   10.0   2.3   0.9   3.0   .465   .000   .723   5.8   .138
14T   Shawn Marion   26   PHO   0.0   1.0   1270   0.001   81   38.8   19.4   11.3   1.9   2.0   1.5   .476   .334   .833   12.5   .191




kobe didn't even get ONE VOTE and NIK acting like a moron on here pretending that was Kobe's year? LMAO

Right after Kobe's rape trial which made Kobe highly toxic. Everyone was talking about how Kobe was the real MVP. But no one voted for him because no one wanted to give him the award after the trial.

[Sccit]

2004-05 NBA Awards Voting

Most Valuable Player
Voting      Per Game   Shooting   Advanced
Rank   Player   Age   Tm   First   Pts Won   Pts Max   Share   G   MP   PTS   TRB   AST   STL   BLK   FG%   3P%   FT%   WS   WS/48
1   Steve Nash   30   PHO   65.0   1066.0   1270   0.839   75   34.3   15.5   3.3   11.5   1.0   0.1   .502   .431   .887   10.9   .203
2   Shaquille O'Neal   32   MIA   58.0   1032.0   1270   0.813   73   34.1   22.9   10.4   2.7   0.5   2.3   .601      .461   11.0   .211
3   Dirk Nowitzki   26   DAL   0.0   349.0   1270   0.275   78   38.7   26.1   9.7   3.1   1.2   1.5   .459   .399   .869   15.6   .248
4   Tim Duncan   28   SAS   1.0   328.0   1270   0.258   66   33.4   20.3   11.1   2.7   0.7   2.6   .496   .333   .670   11.2   .245
5   Allen Iverson   29   PHI   2.0   240.0   1270   0.189   75   42.3   30.7   4.0   7.9   2.4   0.1   .424   .308   .835   9.0   .136
6   LeBron James   20   CLE   0.0   93.0   1270   0.073   80   42.4   27.2   7.4   7.2   2.2   0.7   .472   .351   .750   14.3   .203
7   Tracy McGrady   25   HOU   0.0   44.0   1270   0.035   78   40.8   25.7   6.2   5.7   1.7   0.7   .431   .326   .774   12.0   .180
8   Dwyane Wade   23   MIA   0.0   43.0   1270   0.034   77   38.6   24.1   5.2   6.8   1.6   1.1   .478   .289   .762   11.0   .177
9T   Amar'e Stoudemire   22   PHO   1.0   41.0   1270   0.032   80   36.1   26.0   8.9   1.6   1.0   1.6   .559   .188   .733   14.6   .243
9T   Ray Allen   29   SEA   0.0   41.0   1270   0.032   78   39.3   23.9   4.4   3.7   1.1   0.1   .428   .376   .883   10.7   .168
11   Kevin Garnett   28   MIN   0.0   15.0   1270   0.012   82   38.1   22.2   13.5   5.7   1.5   1.4   .502   .240   .811   16.1   .248
12   Gilbert Arenas   23   WAS   0.0   4.0   1270   0.003   80   40.9   25.5   4.7   5.1   1.7   0.3   .431   .365   .814   11.5   .169
13   Vince Carter   28   TOT   0.0   3.0   1270   0.002   77   36.7   24.5   5.2   4.2   1.4   0.6   .452   .406   .798   9.4   .159
14T   P.J. Brown   35   NOH   0.0   1.0   1270   0.001   82   34.4   10.8   9.0   2.2   0.9   0.6   .446      .864   6.9   .118
14T   Marcus Camby   30   DEN   0.0   1.0   1270   0.001   66   30.5   10.3   10.0   2.3   0.9   3.0   .465   .000   .723   5.8   .138
14T   Shawn Marion   26   PHO   0.0   1.0   1270   0.001   81   38.8   19.4   11.3   1.9   2.0   1.5   .476   .334   .833   12.5   .191




kobe didn't even get ONE VOTE and NIK acting like a moron on here pretending that was Kobe's year? LMAO

that was the year he got injured and missed a good portion of the season..not the smush parker-kwame brown year i mentioned, my moron