Tim Duncan > Kobe

[Hack Wilson - real]

2004-05 NBA Awards Voting

Most Valuable Player
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Rank   Player   Age   Tm   First   Pts Won   Pts Max   Share   G   MP   PTS   TRB   AST   STL   BLK   FG%   3P%   FT%   WS   WS/48
1   Steve Nash   30   PHO   65.0   1066.0   1270   0.839   75   34.3   15.5   3.3   11.5   1.0   0.1   .502   .431   .887   10.9   .203
2   Shaquille O'Neal   32   MIA   58.0   1032.0   1270   0.813   73   34.1   22.9   10.4   2.7   0.5   2.3   .601      .461   11.0   .211
3   Dirk Nowitzki   26   DAL   0.0   349.0   1270   0.275   78   38.7   26.1   9.7   3.1   1.2   1.5   .459   .399   .869   15.6   .248
4   Tim Duncan   28   SAS   1.0   328.0   1270   0.258   66   33.4   20.3   11.1   2.7   0.7   2.6   .496   .333   .670   11.2   .245
5   Allen Iverson   29   PHI   2.0   240.0   1270   0.189   75   42.3   30.7   4.0   7.9   2.4   0.1   .424   .308   .835   9.0   .136
6   LeBron James   20   CLE   0.0   93.0   1270   0.073   80   42.4   27.2   7.4   7.2   2.2   0.7   .472   .351   .750   14.3   .203
7   Tracy McGrady   25   HOU   0.0   44.0   1270   0.035   78   40.8   25.7   6.2   5.7   1.7   0.7   .431   .326   .774   12.0   .180
8   Dwyane Wade   23   MIA   0.0   43.0   1270   0.034   77   38.6   24.1   5.2   6.8   1.6   1.1   .478   .289   .762   11.0   .177
9T   Amar'e Stoudemire   22   PHO   1.0   41.0   1270   0.032   80   36.1   26.0   8.9   1.6   1.0   1.6   .559   .188   .733   14.6   .243
9T   Ray Allen   29   SEA   0.0   41.0   1270   0.032   78   39.3   23.9   4.4   3.7   1.1   0.1   .428   .376   .883   10.7   .168
11   Kevin Garnett   28   MIN   0.0   15.0   1270   0.012   82   38.1   22.2   13.5   5.7   1.5   1.4   .502   .240   .811   16.1   .248
12   Gilbert Arenas   23   WAS   0.0   4.0   1270   0.003   80   40.9   25.5   4.7   5.1   1.7   0.3   .431   .365   .814   11.5   .169
13   Vince Carter   28   TOT   0.0   3.0   1270   0.002   77   36.7   24.5   5.2   4.2   1.4   0.6   .452   .406   .798   9.4   .159
14T   P.J. Brown   35   NOH   0.0   1.0   1270   0.001   82   34.4   10.8   9.0   2.2   0.9   0.6   .446      .864   6.9   .118
14T   Marcus Camby   30   DEN   0.0   1.0   1270   0.001   66   30.5   10.3   10.0   2.3   0.9   3.0   .465   .000   .723   5.8   .138
14T   Shawn Marion   26   PHO   0.0   1.0   1270   0.001   81   38.8   19.4   11.3   1.9   2.0   1.5   .476   .334   .833   12.5   .191




kobe didn't even get ONE VOTE and NIK acting like a moron on here pretending that was Kobe's year? LMAO

that was the year he got injured and missed a good portion of the season..not the smush parker-kwame brown year i mentioned, my moron

both them steve nash mvps belong to kobe and every1 knows it.

don't try to back track outta this

[Sccit]

I thought nash won in 06 and 07, my mistake


either way, kobe was robbed of media love post rape trial, so the popularity contest (mvp award) don't really mean much in the big picture, because he was hands down the best player in basketball durin the duration of his prime. even used to make Duncan his bitch in the playoffs regularly.

[Hack Wilson - real]

you were so sure you even referred to me as "my moron"

 

[Sccit]

you were so sure you even referred to me as "my moron"

 

lol thats cuz u over here callin people moron like its 2008 again..take it easy, fred

[Hack Wilson - real]

well now that we can put that myth of Nash "stealing 2 mvp's from kobe" behind all of us


let's talk more about Duncan - dude is beasting right now.  at age 500.  after 4 years of college - imagine all the extra poitns and rebounds he'd have if he left 2 years early like Steph Curry for example.

[Sccit]

college is what made him this fundamentally sound

[Chamillitary Click]

Hardware talks. Duncan's clearly better.

[M Dogg™]

Hardware talks. Duncan's clearly better.

The MVP is not legit hardware. As proven in the 90's when they gave it to other players just so they can stop giving it to MJ, or in the 2000's when they gave it to every player but Kobe because of the trail. They gave the MVP trophy too early to LeBron because they media was so ready to make him the face of the NBA when Kobe was clearly the better player in 2009. In the 80's, Magic Johnson didn't win an MVP award before 1987, I mean what kind of bullshit was that? 2007, not only Dirk winning was crazy, Nash beat Kobe in votes for the third straight year. Can't no one tell me Nash was better than Kobe in any year Kobe played over 75 games. The MVP award is the most bullshit award in the NBA. You can't tell me between Shaq and Kobe, they only got 2 MVP awards and then argue with me that the MVP award is legit.

Bottom line, the MVP award is the worst way to judge who's the best in the NBA... period.

[Chamillitary Click]

One more Finals MVP. Non-debatable.

[Sccit]

One more Finals MVP. Non-debatable.

kobe would have 10 finals Mvps if he played his entire career on the Spurs

[M Dogg™]

One more Finals MVP. Non-debatable.

Please. One more western conference title for Kobe.

[Hack Wilson - real]

One more Finals MVP. Non-debatable.

Please. One more western conference title for Kobe.

Kobe is never playing in another playoff game in his career lol

[M Dogg™]

One more Finals MVP. Non-debatable.

Please. One more western conference title for Kobe.

Kobe is never playing in another playoff game in his career lol

And Duncan ain't winning another title either.

Let's just get this out the way,

Kobe, 17 time all star, Duncan 15 time all star
Kobe, 9 time all defensive team, Duncan, 8 time all defensive team
Kobe, 11 time all NBA first team, Duncan, 10 time all NBA first team

Their stats head to head are comparable considering Kobe is a guard and Duncan is a power forward. Kobe shoots more and scores more points, and has more assist and steals per game, were as Duncan gets more rebounds and has more blocks per game. But like everything else, they are comparable, BUT Kobe has just the slightest of edges head to head. Kobe is 4-2 against the Spurs in the playoffs, Kobe has scored more points, Duncan has been able to adjust his game to be a piece to Pop's system and Kobe has FORCED the Lakers to bend to fit his skill set.

These two are close, but at the end of the day, Kobe has the smallest of margins against Duncan.

I am still waiting on the LeBron is greater than Duncan post. That's how you KNOW Kobe is better. If Duncan was the best of this era, then LeBron fans would be trying to talk about how LeBron is better than Duncan. Instead they pick Kobe....

The most telling stat of Kobe being better than Duncan. Kobe has WAY more haters than Duncan.

[Sccit]

kobe was KNOWN for shitting on duncan in the playoffs....he was literally every Spurs fan worst nightmare. it took kobe bein injured for the spurs to take out the lakers in 2012.



at the end of the day, the only thing duncan has on kobe is that he's been on a great team for his entire career.......if kobe was on a great team from the day he was drafted, he'd have 10 titles by now. as individual players, it's not even close. Kobe>>>>>>>>Duncan.

[Hack Wilson - real]

this m dog guy says MVP's don't count and HIS FIRST ARGUMENT IS ALL STAR GAMES?


   what a joke