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Real Credits Of "Chronic" & "Doggystyle"
« on: January 08, 2016, 12:03:24 AM »
You Know That Are Rumors That Dre Didnīt Produce Those 2 Masterpieces Himself
Suge Said "Ainīt No Fun" Beat Was Done By Some Leuders Park Piru
Warren G, Daz & Emmanuel "Porkchop" Dean Did Some Work On Those Albums Too...
So If You Sum It Up, Who Did What On Those Albums?

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Re: Real Credits Of "Chronic" & "Doggystyle"
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2016, 12:33:22 AM »
All lies

Others helped but it was dre
 

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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2016, 01:43:40 AM »
All lies

Others helped but it was dre

pac,j-flexx,suge knight,daz
all of them said that dre is stealin credit i donīt think they ALL lied.

remember the story when "got my mind made up" beat was playin, pac asked who did the beat and dr.gay said it was his beat?

 

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Re: Real Credits Of "Chronic" & "Doggystyle"
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2016, 01:52:36 AM »
What about the tracks Dre helped with but didn't get credit, like co-producing What Would U Do?

Anyone know the rest?
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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2016, 01:58:26 AM »
What about the tracks Dre helped with but didn't get credit, like co-producing What Would U Do?

Anyone know the rest?

who said he helped daz on WWUD?
 

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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2016, 01:59:39 AM »
What about the tracks Dre helped with but didn't get credit, like co-producing What Would U Do?

Anyone know the rest?

who said he helped daz on WWUD?

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Re: Real Credits Of "Chronic" & "Doggystyle"
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2016, 03:20:30 AM »
Apparently Dre is doing something right, because when his name is attached it comes out fire, and then when he leaves the building guys like Daz, Mel-Man, Yella, Sam Sneed, J-Flexx and whoever else suddenly just ain't making shit bang like it did before.

Look no further than Daz's career since leaving Death Row compared to Dre's career since leaving Death Row.   Who is honestly going to believe it was Daz that was the true genius?  I mean, I love Daz and consider him a legend, but Daz owes a lot to Dre.

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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2016, 05:26:37 AM »
What about the tracks Dre helped with but didn't get credit, like co-producing What Would U Do?

Anyone know the rest?
  Dre is credited for producing the version of "What Would You Do" that is on the Natural Born Killers soundtrack.

To my knowledge, Emmanuel Dean was not a producer on Doggystyle but he played the instruments on several tracks and Death Row didn't give him publishing credit for it.  He talks about it on the DPG Eulogy documentary.
 

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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2016, 09:34:47 AM »
Apparently Dre is doing something right, because when his name is attached it comes out fire, and then when he leaves the building guys like Daz, Mel-Man, Yella, Sam Sneed, J-Flexx and whoever else suddenly just ain't making shit bang like it did before.

Look no further than Daz's career since leaving Death Row compared to Dre's career since leaving Death Row.   Who is honestly going to believe it was Daz that was the true genius?  I mean, I love Daz and consider him a legend, but Daz owes a lot to Dre.



I think its like this...Daz and the others will make a melody or a beat then Dre will come in and arrange it better add bits, take away bits etc.

Then the other producers get bent later on because they actually wrote the main parts of the beats but Dre seems to get whole credit when he just
mixed up the original beat to make it sound better.

I think producers like Daz fell off because they did not have Dre as a filter to tell them whats good and whats bad and what needs doing to make good
beats even better...you can still hear some of that old stuff in Daz's later stuff but its easy to tell that there was nobody guiding him.

Dre wil surround himself with the best producers of the time then re-arrange their beats, add shit and remove shit and mix shit up to make those beats
even better.

Just just my theory after hearing what everybody says about how Dre works
 

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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2016, 01:46:44 PM »
The music industries idea of a producer and the fans are two different things. Fans think that the person who made the beat is a producer but in the music industry it has more to do with who helped create the entire song, beat and lyrics combined. They have demoted the people who actually make the music as just 'beat makers' and have crowned themselves as 'producers'. Who do you think gets the bulk share of the money? Someone told me years ago that The Alchemist aired out Em+Dre by saying that they were getting other people beats, making some changes here and there and then they would take production credit. The fans see the credits and think that they made the beats when really they didn't.

Suge said that they would take artist demos that they would submit and make it their own and said that he got the idea from Eazy-E. Warren G got the samples for the chronic for Dre. Dre has people playing live instruments and what not as well. How much of the much do you think these super producers actually make themselves? Dre has a unique sound especially back then. You should be able to tell which beats are his and know that he may have help produce (using the industries definition) but didn't make the actual music or at the very least just helped to make the music.
 

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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2016, 01:59:24 PM »
We really doing this again?

I think Doggystyle definitely had some ghost producers because the sound is so far advanced from that of The Chronic which dropped less than a year prior. But not to the extent that Dre stole entire beats. Probably took other demos and remixed them and received full production credit (but that would be Suge's call).
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Re: Real Credits Of "Chronic" & "Doggystyle"
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2016, 02:59:16 PM »
All lies

Others helped but it was dre


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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2016, 02:59:57 PM »
What about the tracks Dre helped with but didn't get credit, like co-producing What Would U Do?

Anyone know the rest?


OH, YOU MEAN THE ENTIRE DOGG FOOD ALBUM?
 

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Re: Real Credits Of "Chronic" & "Doggystyle"
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2016, 03:04:20 PM »
The music industries idea of a producer and the fans are two different things. Fans think that the person who made the beat is a producer but in the music industry it has more to do with who helped create the entire song, beat and lyrics combined. They have demoted the people who actually make the music as just 'beat makers' and have crowned themselves as 'producers'. Who do you think gets the bulk share of the money? Someone told me years ago that The Alchemist aired out Em+Dre by saying that they were getting other people beats, making some changes here and there and then they would take production credit. The fans see the credits and think that they made the beats when really they didn't.

Suge said that they would take artist demos that they would submit and make it their own and said that he got the idea from Eazy-E. Warren G got the samples for the chronic for Dre. Dre has people playing live instruments and what not as well. How much of the much do you think these super producers actually make themselves? Dre has a unique sound especially back then. You should be able to tell which beats are his and know that he may have help produce (using the industries definition) but didn't make the actual music or at the very least just helped to make the music.


DRE IS THE MASTERMIND BEHIND IT ALL...WITHOUT DRE, THE PRODUCT WOULDNT BE A TENTH AS GOOD. DRE IS THE EPITOME OF A TRUE PRODUCER. HE SITS WIT THE ARTISTS FROM INCEPTION TO COMPLETION, AND PAYS VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO DETAIL, GUIDING THEM THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS. THAT IS WHAT A PRODUCER SHOULD BE, AND SADLY, MOST PRODUCERS IN HIP-HOP NOWADAYS DONT HAVE THIS SKILL...THE ONLY SKILL THEY HAVE IS PRESSING BUTTONS ON FRUITY LOOPS.
 

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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2016, 03:45:22 PM »
^You are doing what the industry does, downplays actually making music. So what if they use fruity loops? I do, didn't you want to do business with me? I'm tired of these gatekeepers who starving artist have to go to and give them a piece in order to get on. I'm done playing with them.
 

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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2016, 04:33:27 PM »
^You are doing what the industry does, downplays actually making music. So what if they use fruity loops? I do, didn't you want to do business with me? I'm tired of these gatekeepers who starving artist have to go to and give them a piece in order to get on. I'm done playing with them.


i got nothing against fruity loops or your beats, dont take it that way.....ive used fruity loops in my day and came up wit magic. but what im sayin is that, what dre does, takes a whole lot more than what your typical beatmaker does. bottom line.


if dre took one of your beats and produced it, you'd hear the difference and never want to make beats again, because only then will you understand that you never even came close to realizing the potential of your music........thats just what a production genius can do.
 

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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2016, 05:48:44 PM »
I've had a similar issue myself when session musicians confuse themselves for producers. As stated above Dre can't have continued his success if he was a hack. Daz's career status speaks volumes about who did what
 

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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2016, 01:12:09 AM »
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DRE IS THE MASTERMIND BEHIND IT ALL...WITHOUT DRE, THE PRODUCT WOULDNT BE A TENTH AS GOOD. DRE IS THE EPITOME OF A TRUE PRODUCER. HE SITS WIT THE ARTISTS FROM INCEPTION TO COMPLETION, AND PAYS VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO DETAIL, GUIDING THEM THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS. THAT IS WHAT A PRODUCER SHOULD BE, AND SADLY, MOST PRODUCERS IN HIP-HOP NOWADAYS DONT HAVE THIS SKILL...THE ONLY SKILL THEY HAVE IS PRESSING BUTTONS ON FRUITY LOOPS

Nice How You Repeat What Snoop Said About Dre As He Went To Be All Up In Dreīs Ass Brownnosing Like A Fuckin Bitch, After He Dissed Him And Cut His Ties With Him (Between "Tha Doggfather" & "No Limit Top Dogg")
 

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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2016, 05:20:11 AM »
Gone from Compton is probably a good example of what Dre did/does to tracks.   

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D.R.U.G.S Beats gets equal billing for the production in the album credits, but it's really easy to hear the difference after Dre got his hands on D.R.U.G.S.' idea (i.e. the Wings sample).

I often read/hear that Dre only makes some minor tweaks here and there or added a hat and then steals all of the credit.  Coming up with the primary melody/tune is very important, but the more important thing is how the final product is delivered.  Chopping up vegetables and boiling some noodles doesn't make you a chef if you need someone else to season it to make it kick. 
 

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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2016, 05:47:50 AM »
not these niggaz threads again... :(
 

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Re: Real Credits Of "Chronic" & "Doggystyle"
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2016, 10:34:17 AM »
Gone from Compton is probably a good example of what Dre did/does to tracks.   

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/YrDGchRR33o" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/YrDGchRR33o</a>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/xNXz_jId42Q?t=1m36s" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/xNXz_jId42Q?t=1m36s</a>

D.R.U.G.S Beats gets equal billing for the production in the album credits, but it's really easy to hear the difference after Dre got his hands on D.R.U.G.S.' idea (i.e. the Wings sample).

I often read/hear that Dre only makes some minor tweaks here and there or added a hat and then steals all of the credit.  Coming up with the primary melody/tune is very important, but the more important thing is how the final product is delivered.  Chopping up vegetables and boiling some noodles doesn't make you a chef if you need someone else to season it to make it kick. 


every1 who claims dre steals beats needs to hear these
 

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Re: Real Credits Of "Chronic" & "Doggystyle"
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2016, 11:29:54 AM »
^You are doing what the industry does, downplays actually making music. So what if they use fruity loops? I do, didn't you want to do business with me? I'm tired of these gatekeepers who starving artist have to go to and give them a piece in order to get on. I'm done playing with them.


i got nothing against fruity loops or your beats, dont take it that way.....ive used fruity loops in my day and came up wit magic. but what im sayin is that, what dre does, takes a whole lot more than what your typical beatmaker does. bottom line.


if dre took one of your beats and produced it, you'd hear the difference and never want to make beats again, because only then will you understand that you never even came close to realizing the potential of your music........thats just what a production genius can do.
You can say that about anyone though. Anyone can take someone's beats and make changes to it and do something that the person who made it wasn't thinking about. That's why people often work in pairs and in groups. If the beat is a hit from the gate then it's a hit. This is the order of importance of a song and anyone in the business with tell you the same. Beat, Hook and then vocals. To say that someone is 'just a beat maker' is a lie of the industry designed to prop up 'super producers' and put them in a place to reign over others.

Also, I don't know if you think I'm trying to take anything away from Dre I'm not. All I'm saying is that most fans think he made the beats to alot of tracks where he actually just did what you said above. I even thought he made the beat to Still Dre until a few months ago when Scott Storch did a interview and took credit for it. People think the same about everything that came out on Death Row, that Dre did all the beats. Even Yella was doing alot to help with the beats back at Ruthless I'm just now finding out because he did promo for the movie.
 

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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2016, 11:33:18 AM »
Gone from Compton is probably a good example of what Dre did/does to tracks.   

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/YrDGchRR33o" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/YrDGchRR33o</a>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/xNXz_jId42Q?t=1m36s" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/xNXz_jId42Q?t=1m36s</a>

D.R.U.G.S Beats gets equal billing for the production in the album credits, but it's really easy to hear the difference after Dre got his hands on D.R.U.G.S.' idea (i.e. the Wings sample).

I often read/hear that Dre only makes some minor tweaks here and there or added a hat and then steals all of the credit.  Coming up with the primary melody/tune is very important, but the more important thing is how the final product is delivered.  Chopping up vegetables and boiling some noodles doesn't make you a chef if you need someone else to season it to make it kick. 
Then maybe there is some truth to it? Also you are getting off topic here just a bit. No one is disputing that Dre changes beats. The question here is what beats did he actually make at DR.
 

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Re: Real Credits Of "Chronic" & "Doggystyle"
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2016, 01:01:13 PM »
lol, People need to just let it go, Dre is a Legendary Producer end of!

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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2016, 01:15:28 PM »
not these niggaz threads again... :(

 ;D Nicely done.


That before and after with the Wings sample just proves the point. Dre is a producers producer, he may not come up with the skeleton all the time but he'll put meat on its bones and dress it finery that others couldn't even envision when it was a bag of bones as he exists in that zone that sees the end product first and then works backwards toward creating his vision, coaxing his artists to perform a certain way and finding the right sounds, arrangement and instrument.

Still think Compton is wack and below his standards though :p
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