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Rappers who should of but never could make a classic album
« on: September 23, 2016, 02:12:37 AM »
Royce-  Had a classic unreleased album and scattered bangers but never could make a classic

Styles P -  This dude comes hard as fucc on features and shit like that like with Akon on "Locked Up" and Mos Def on "My Life" so you know he's capable and has range but he never could do it

Tray Dee-  Maybe with the right mix of guest features to fill the void in subject matter he could've pulled off a classic.  Some are saying his new one may be classic but I haven't heard it yet.  He could've also had a classic with that LBC Crew album if Suge wouldn't of stood in the way of that project.

Jadakiss - He wrote most of Puffy's classic No Way Out album so he had a lot of talent with the pen and nearly flawless mic skills, but could never put together a classic album neither with the Lox or solo.

Nate Dogg - of course Nate is one of the all time greats.  Has had so many great songs in his career and was an innovator.  Warren had a classic with G Funk Era, if Suge had not been in the way I think Warren, Daz, and Dre could've produced Nate a classic in those days.  Nates first album had several gems but too much filler as well.


...who else...
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Re: Rappers who should of but never could make a classic album
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2016, 03:04:09 AM »
Crooked I for sure and I'm not sure if I'd classify any of Beanie Sigel, Method Man or Busta Rhymes albums as classics
 

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Re: Rappers who should of but never could make a classic album
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2016, 05:39:42 AM »
Good topic. Jadakiss comes to my mind right away, he's one of my favorites from East, but he really doesn't have a album that you can bump from beginning to the end.
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2016, 11:01:50 AM »
Good topic. Jadakiss comes to my mind right away, he's one of my favorites from East, but he really doesn't have a album that you can bump from beginning to the end.

Kiss Of Death is a certified classic, not a single track to skip on that album

Crooked I for sure and I'm not sure if I'd classify any of Beanie Sigel, Method Man or Busta Rhymes albums as classics

Beanie Sigel - The B. Coming is a classic, but agreed on those other dudes
 

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Re: Rappers who should of but never could make a classic album
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2016, 01:26:54 PM »
"Kiss Of Death" is my favorite album from Jada, but it's not a classic in my opinion. Beanie doesn't have a classic either. Both are still great rappers though.
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Re: Rappers who should of but never could make a classic album
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2016, 08:45:52 PM »
I can honestly say I bought Kiss of Death the day it came out, and bumped that everyday for a long time. With that said, it's not a classic. It's a solid 4.5 mic album, but classic albums either define an era or redefine the game.


I'd say Ras Kass is the first artist to come to mind. His first two albums were great and his third album I have both versions Goldyn Chyld and Van Gogh. Both could have been, but just never was released.
 

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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2016, 09:40:41 PM »
Crooked I for sure and I'm not sure if I'd classify any of Beanie Sigel, Method Man or Busta Rhymes albums as classics


Statik Kxng is a classic record, fuck outta here
 

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Re: Rappers who should of but never could make a classic album
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2016, 11:45:55 PM »
Crooked I for sure and I'm not sure if I'd classify any of Beanie Sigel, Method Man or Busta Rhymes albums as classics

Method Man did have a classic with 36 Chambers.  I was counting group albums on my list but definitely Meth should've been able to make a classic solo his first time around... I mean when your lead singles are classics like "Bring the Pain" and "All I Need" and you got Rza behind the boards he should've been able to round out a classic on that album but didn't...I don't remember any stand out cuts other than the singles
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Re: Rappers who should of but never could make a classic album
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2016, 12:41:47 AM »
I can honestly say I bought Kiss of Death the day it came out, and bumped that everyday for a long time. With that said, it's not a classic. It's a solid 4.5 mic album, but classic albums either define an era or redefine the game.


I'd say Ras Kass is the first artist to come to mind. His first two albums were great and his third album I have both versions Goldyn Chyld and Van Gogh. Both could have been, but just never was released.

How could you forget Soul On Ice.  Any Ras Kass fan would tell you that is a classic
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"I will make records as big or bigger than Death Row".   -Dre, Source 1996

"I didn't do nothing but make people money and I didn't leave nobody high and dry.  Any album (on death row) people are going to check for.  But it's time for Dre to worry about Dre.  I'm focused on the new Snoop Doggs, not like that but you know what I mean."

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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2016, 02:28:11 AM »
Crooked I for sure and I'm not sure if I'd classify any of Beanie Sigel, Method Man or Busta Rhymes albums as classics


Statik Kxng is a classic record, fuck outta here

It's a solid album but not a classic my friend.

Ludacris is another that comes to mind, he's mad underrated and his first two albums are really solid but is short of a classic album
 

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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2016, 07:29:34 AM »
Ras Kass first album is def classic IMO, I consider it the west coast version of Illmatic

Crooked I has classic verses...but not albums
 

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2016, 08:55:51 AM »
Method Man solo work comes to mind first.
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2016, 08:21:01 AM »
Crooked I for sure and I'm not sure if I'd classify any of Beanie Sigel, Method Man or Busta Rhymes albums as classics


Statik Kxng is a classic record, fuck outta here

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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2016, 08:22:48 AM »
Crooked I for sure and I'm not sure if I'd classify any of Beanie Sigel, Method Man or Busta Rhymes albums as classics


Statik Kxng is a classic record, fuck outta here

It's a solid album but not a classic my friend.

Ludacris is another that comes to mind, he's mad underrated and his first two albums are really solid but is short of a classic album

word I was gonna come in here saying Ludacris has a few albums that I can almost bump front to back but there's always at least a handful of filler tracks

Red Light District would be his closest to classic, I'd give that one like 4.5/5
 

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Re: Rappers who should of but never could make a classic album
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2016, 08:01:39 AM »
I can honestly say I bought Kiss of Death the day it came out, and bumped that everyday for a long time. With that said, it's not a classic. It's a solid 4.5 mic album, but classic albums either define an era or redefine the game.


I'd say Ras Kass is the first artist to come to mind. His first two albums were great and his third album I have both versions Goldyn Chyld and Van Gogh. Both could have been, but just never was released.

How could you forget Soul On Ice.  Any Ras Kass fan would tell you that is a classic

Ras Kass first album is def classic IMO, I consider it the west coast version of Illmatic

Crooked I has classic verses...but not albums

Hold on, a street classic album, yes, Soul on Ice was a straight street classic album. It's up there with It's On (Dr. Dre) = 187um Killa, Operation Stackola and Streetz Iz A Mutha. But it's not no west Illmatic. I was just talking more on that full on classic album in terms of full on commercial and street success. To me, Ras Kass could have and should have been WAY more. Goldyn Chyld or Van Gogh should have been 5 mic in Source. But record label drama prevented that.
 

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Re: Rappers who should of but never could make a classic album
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2016, 11:41:02 AM »
Nate Dogg G-Funk Classics, Vol. 1 & 2 is a classic in my opinion. You must remember he isn't a hip hop artist he's a R&B singer. So for what that album was it's a classic.

But I'm going to have to go with what a previous poster said. It's disappointing that Method Man never had a classic album as far as the west coast goes, it would have been nice to see B-Real of Cypress Hill with a classic solo album.
 

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Re: Rappers who should of but never could make a classic album
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2016, 01:45:25 AM »
Soul on ice is a classic

G-funk classics vol 1 & 2 as well
 

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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2016, 03:33:50 AM »
ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?


To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...


I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.

Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.

While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.

Same as  all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.

Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.
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Re: Rappers who should of but never could make a classic album
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2016, 09:20:18 AM »
ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?


To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...


I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.

Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.

While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.

Same as  all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.

Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.

Classic has nothin to do with sales .. It has to do with reception and impact within the hip-hop community .. Soul on ice is a classic because it changed the overall perception of west coast hip hop and showed the world that we could spit lyrics too. Before soul on ice, lyricism was hardly prevalent on the west coast. So while it didn't do huge numbers, it's considered a classic for that reason alone.

As for nates debut, it was the first of its kind and had hitters front to back, including many timeless joints .. And for that reason, it's a classic in its own right as well.  
 

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Re: Rappers who should of but never could make a classic album
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2016, 11:20:15 AM »
ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?


To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...


I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.

Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.

While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.

Same as  all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.

Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.

Classic has nothin to do with sales .. It has to do with reception and impact within the hip-hop community .. Soul on ice is a classic because it changed the overall perception of west coast hip hop and showed the world that we could spit lyrics too. Before soul on ice, lyricism was hardly prevalent on the west coast. So while it didn't do huge numbers, it's considered a classic for that reason alone.

As for nates debut, it was the first of its kind and had hitters front to back, including many timeless joints .. And for that reason, it's a classic in its own right as well.  

I know Sccit and I had this argument many, many, many times. And I always talk about what doggfather said, and he has the same argument. What I think Sccit is really talking about is masterpiece. A masterpiece is a piece of art that's flawless. Like to me, when I first heard To Pimp a Butterfly, I wouldn't call it classic until I saw how it did, but I would call it a masterpiece. Soul on Ice to me is a masterpiece. It's a piece of musical art that is flawless. BUT it didn't have that commercial success, either due to label issues or just the time it was released, to really make an impact. A classic album makes an impact. And also, today, it seems like any album from back in the day can be a classic now. Hip-Hop is garbage today, so when we relisten to some old music it all sounds AMAZING. But in its time that music didn't have the same impact. It's a bit unfair, but it's the reality of the situation.
 

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Re: Rappers who should of but never could make a classic album
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2016, 11:41:08 AM »
ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?


To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...


I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.

Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.

While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.

Same as  all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.

Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.

Classic has nothin to do with sales .. It has to do with reception and impact within the hip-hop community .. Soul on ice is a classic because it changed the overall perception of west coast hip hop and showed the world that we could spit lyrics too. Before soul on ice, lyricism was hardly prevalent on the west coast. So while it didn't do huge numbers, it's considered a classic for that reason alone.

As for nates debut, it was the first of its kind and had hitters front to back, including many timeless joints .. And for that reason, it's a classic in its own right as well.  

I know Sccit and I had this argument many, many, many times. And I always talk about what doggfather said, and he has the same argument. What I think Sccit is really talking about is masterpiece. A masterpiece is a piece of art that's flawless. Like to me, when I first heard To Pimp a Butterfly, I wouldn't call it classic until I saw how it did, but I would call it a masterpiece. Soul on Ice to me is a masterpiece. It's a piece of musical art that is flawless. BUT it didn't have that commercial success, either due to label issues or just the time it was released, to really make an impact. A classic album makes an impact. And also, today, it seems like any album from back in the day can be a classic now. Hip-Hop is garbage today, so when we relisten to some old music it all sounds AMAZING. But in its time that music didn't have the same impact. It's a bit unfair, but it's the reality of the situation.

Masterpiece and classic are interchangeable terms
 

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Re: Rappers who should of but never could make a classic album
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2016, 11:05:22 PM »
ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?


To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...


I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.

Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.

While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.

Same as  all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.

Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.

Classic has nothin to do with sales .. It has to do with reception and impact within the hip-hop community .. Soul on ice is a classic because it changed the overall perception of west coast hip hop and showed the world that we could spit lyrics too. Before soul on ice, lyricism was hardly prevalent on the west coast. So while it didn't do huge numbers, it's considered a classic for that reason alone.

As for nates debut, it was the first of its kind and had hitters front to back, including many timeless joints .. And for that reason, it's a classic in its own right as well.  

Nates first one was pretty close... But I remember at the time it came out it felt like a bit of a letdown, also seemed to have a bit too much filler
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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2016, 12:34:02 AM »
ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?


To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...


I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.

Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.

While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.

Same as  all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.

Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.

Classic has nothin to do with sales .. It has to do with reception and impact within the hip-hop community .. Soul on ice is a classic because it changed the overall perception of west coast hip hop and showed the world that we could spit lyrics too. Before soul on ice, lyricism was hardly prevalent on the west coast. So while it didn't do huge numbers, it's considered a classic for that reason alone.

As for nates debut, it was the first of its kind and had hitters front to back, including many timeless joints .. And for that reason, it's a classic in its own right as well.  

I know Sccit and I had this argument many, many, many times. And I always talk about what doggfather said, and he has the same argument. What I think Sccit is really talking about is masterpiece. A masterpiece is a piece of art that's flawless. Like to me, when I first heard To Pimp a Butterfly, I wouldn't call it classic until I saw how it did, but I would call it a masterpiece. Soul on Ice to me is a masterpiece. It's a piece of musical art that is flawless. BUT it didn't have that commercial success, either due to label issues or just the time it was released, to really make an impact. A classic album makes an impact. And also, today, it seems like any album from back in the day can be a classic now. Hip-Hop is garbage today, so when we relisten to some old music it all sounds AMAZING. But in its time that music didn't have the same impact. It's a bit unfair, but it's the reality of the situation.

Masterpiece and classic are interchangeable terms

Not to me.
For example sticky fingaz' blacktrash is a masterpiece from start to bottom but not a classic. Most people aint know that ever release.
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Re: Rappers who should of but never could make a classic album
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2016, 07:05:01 AM »
ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?


To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...


I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.

Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.

While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.

Same as  all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.

Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.

Classic has nothin to do with sales .. It has to do with reception and impact within the hip-hop community .. Soul on ice is a classic because it changed the overall perception of west coast hip hop and showed the world that we could spit lyrics too. Before soul on ice, lyricism was hardly prevalent on the west coast. So while it didn't do huge numbers, it's considered a classic for that reason alone.

As for nates debut, it was the first of its kind and had hitters front to back, including many timeless joints .. And for that reason, it's a classic in its own right as well.  

Nates first one was pretty close... But I remember at the time it came out it felt like a bit of a letdown, also seemed to have a bit too much filler

Play it again
 

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Re: Rappers who should of but never could make a classic album
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2016, 07:05:26 AM »
ok, lets strat with that, what is classic to you guys?


To me: worldwide(!) commercial and street success. BOTH. Like chronic, doggystyle, MMLP, 36 chambers, illmatic etc...


I aint use personal classic, or street classic terms, just classic.

Those terms (personal, street) aint real terms, just for fans who want to say their fav albums, or rappers are classics.

While i am a big fan of Ras Kass i have tosay SOI is not a classic record. It has big street succes, yes, 4 sure,, but commercial? Hell no. Not on the year when released, not on sales, nothin.

Same as  all crooked i, or jadakiss albums.

Or Nate Dogg, he IS a legend, GOAT hooker in the game, but he never released any classic solo album in his life.

Classic has nothin to do with sales .. It has to do with reception and impact within the hip-hop community .. Soul on ice is a classic because it changed the overall perception of west coast hip hop and showed the world that we could spit lyrics too. Before soul on ice, lyricism was hardly prevalent on the west coast. So while it didn't do huge numbers, it's considered a classic for that reason alone.

As for nates debut, it was the first of its kind and had hitters front to back, including many timeless joints .. And for that reason, it's a classic in its own right as well.  

I know Sccit and I had this argument many, many, many times. And I always talk about what doggfather said, and he has the same argument. What I think Sccit is really talking about is masterpiece. A masterpiece is a piece of art that's flawless. Like to me, when I first heard To Pimp a Butterfly, I wouldn't call it classic until I saw how it did, but I would call it a masterpiece. Soul on Ice to me is a masterpiece. It's a piece of musical art that is flawless. BUT it didn't have that commercial success, either due to label issues or just the time it was released, to really make an impact. A classic album makes an impact. And also, today, it seems like any album from back in the day can be a classic now. Hip-Hop is garbage today, so when we relisten to some old music it all sounds AMAZING. But in its time that music didn't have the same impact. It's a bit unfair, but it's the reality of the situation.

Masterpiece and classic are interchangeable terms

Not to me.
For example sticky fingaz' blacktrash is a masterpiece from start to bottom but not a classic. Most people aint know that ever release.

That album is great, but not a masterpiece


The words are synonyms .. Look it up


http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/masterpiece
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